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An Athiests Hypocrisy

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posted on Jul, 15 2009 @ 01:16 AM
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Alright first off I have nothing against people with Atheist views, but I have two friends who are very proud Atheists. One of them isn't as open about his opinions on the subject, but still is very proud of the fact he is Atheist. The second friend ( I think might be a member of this site) is obnoxiously loud about it.

I didn't notice too much at first how extreme he was in his views. But was shocked when we were at a Fourth of July fireworks show and some Christian was preaching about God's Love and the End Times, and he blatantly shouted "Jesus was a Con Artist!" "God is a lie!" and when he got back he asked my other atheist friend if he wanted to go say atheist things right next to the Christian. Then later said something about putting the bible in the fiction section at Barnes & Noble lol. I admire his humor but hearing day after day seeing posts on his Facebook about atheism and how God is not real, religion is a lie, etc. Is so freaking annoying! I guess my problem is his hypocrisy, how he hates how other religions preach their beliefs, but he is doing the exact same thing! I mean he has no respect for my or some of my other friends views at all (which I haven't even told him my view). I know other religions do this as well, I am fully aware of it. But don't complain about it if your going to turn around and do the same, I guess is what I'm getting at.



[edit on 15-7-2009 by asmall89]




posted on Jul, 15 2009 @ 01:23 AM
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It's a typical social phenomena.

People boast what they themselves are, christians commonly quote the bible, quote jesus, quote their pastor, say things like, well God is trying to show you something.

Atheists do the same, it's not that absurd to see it.

Although when a atheist is become, after the agnostic phase, they start wondering things, and see people as absurd, almost religiously like christians, muslims hindus.

We see it as, "Do you really believe in pixies, really, you dumb piece of crap, there are no pixies". Then you retort with whatever is not necessary to post. You get it.

It's that guy that believes something like suddam hussein, bombed the WTC, we all know it's not true, and we try to get this guy to stop the thinking error he's having.

He is a bit of a shame to atheism, we are a kind people, but we bite back when bitten. We are not satanic, or any thing, as i'm sure you've experienced, a bad bunch.

If i'm in a group and they want to pray I will pray with them, and not make a stand, because, it doesn't hurt me, I can have some quiet time to ponder my own thoughts. It's nice


What is the hypocrisy, we hate the loud mouthing nicely worded things religious people scream, yet we arent' against that solely, that is just an annoyance, we are against the belief system.

Although we are all allowed are own belief. It's a tough discussion, but I'm full up on texts, I'd like to see you point out the main hypocrisy you see?



posted on Jul, 15 2009 @ 01:32 AM
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Sorry I didn't mean Atheists in general, I meant his certain Atheist views mostly. I know not all Atheists do what he does, just like not every religious person goes out preaching at fourth of July ceremonies. It's hypocrisy by how he says Atheists are good we don't push our views on others like those religious fanatics, but turns around and does it himself. I guess what I'm trying to point out, is that all beliefs have their hypocrites/extremists I suppose.



posted on Jul, 15 2009 @ 01:50 AM
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well, it could be because he was harmed at some point personally by religious people, and is using his atheism as a chance to breed his hatred or hurt inside. If he's truly hateful.


I'm not atheist, but i am not religious (guess you could call me agnostic but I'm rather unlabelable lol), and i WILL stand up in certain circumstances and speak against someone, BUT... and this is the big but... only if they are using their religion as a chance to breed hatred.

Do you see a pattern in what i'm saying here? Essentially, hatred in any form is wrong, and should be called out.

There's not a small number of religious people who are just in it for the opportunity to spread their inner loathings onto other people. Those people are most obviously what it talks about in the bible re: "you shall know them by their fruits". That sword cuts both ways.


Again, the hypocracy goes all ways, and all people are guilty of it from time to time. Some people's "time" is a lot longer than others but...
You get the point.



posted on Jul, 15 2009 @ 03:40 AM
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Originally posted by asmall89
Sorry I didn't mean Atheists in general, I meant his certain Atheist views mostly. I know not all Atheists do what he does, just like not every religious person goes out preaching at fourth of July ceremonies. It's hypocrisy by how he says Atheists are good we don't push our views on others like those religious fanatics, but turns around and does it himself. I guess what I'm trying to point out, is that all beliefs have their hypocrites/extremists I suppose.


He as one is hypocritical, or is in self denial.

I as an atheist, do push my views on others, although, not on anyone under the age of 18, they are free to be children and act as such, under law.

Those over 18, are subjective to the same spam as I am. No I'm pretty sure I didn't win a free X-Box, for the final time!



posted on Jul, 15 2009 @ 04:26 AM
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I am an atheist but I don't like being labeled one. I would rather think of myself as a realist.

I understand why people cling on to the christian Ideology, but it honestly does irritate me in light of the indisputable facts disproving Christianities authenticity.

The facts clearly speak for themselves. Probability exist whether people choose to believe it it not.

If you deny probability, you deny reality.


[edit on 15-7-2009 by Hung Lo]



posted on Jul, 15 2009 @ 07:21 AM
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Hi Hung Lo, watch porn much? J/K. The name made me laugh. Anyway, what is this indisputable evidence which disproves Christianity? Did they find Jesus' bones and therefore declare that he couldn't have ascended? I haven't heard of any evidence which disproves Christianity. It's all about faith. You either believe or you do not. But if you have certain evidence disproving one of the worlds major religeons then please share it with us.



posted on Jul, 15 2009 @ 07:44 AM
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OK. So, I'm atheist-agnostic, and agree pretty much entirely with what you are saying - at home and amongst my friends I am the quite one in disbelief and I hear a lot of religious ranting so you and I are in the same roles but opposite beliefs.

So I say call him out on it. It's fine to advertise your beliefs and even talk about them (I have some atheist t-shirts), it's ok to hold critical opinions about other peoples beliefs, but being a loud and obnoxious twat is inexcusable.

Final thought.
Not all beliefs are equal. Everyone has a right to believe what ever they want but not all beliefs are indeed equal. Logic, reason and evidence are what make a belief good and superior, fantasies are not - this is important when one draws morals and ethical codes for behaviour from one's beliefs - someone inclined to thinking that the life here-after is better than this life may see murder or suicide as a good thing when it isn't. I know that's a rather extreme case but still, you get ma point.
Someone standing on a soap box shouting end-of-time, fire & brimstone fearmongering is not to be respected.



posted on Jul, 15 2009 @ 01:56 PM
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The athiest position is the most ridiculous of all. From my experience most athiests suffer from a severe superiority complex, supposedly more logical, and scientifically based thinkers than believers in God.

They will readily admit that you can't prove a negative (i.e. You can't prove that there is no God), yet with this in mind, claim that there is no God!

I think the agnostic position is at least honest.



posted on Jul, 15 2009 @ 02:01 PM
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Originally posted by Welfhard
Final thought.
Not all beliefs are equal. Everyone has a right to believe what ever they want but not all beliefs are indeed equal. Logic, reason and evidence are what make a belief good and superior, fantasies are not - this is important when one draws morals and ethical codes for behaviour from one's beliefs - someone inclined to thinking that the life here-after is better than this life may see murder or suicide as a good thing when it isn't. I know that's a rather extreme case but still, you get ma point.
Someone standing on a soap box shouting end-of-time, fire & brimstone fearmongering is not to be respected.


I suppose that 'fantasies' relate to religious beliefs?
Where do athiestic morals come from?
Murder certainly isn't frowned upon by many athiests if is re-labelled abortion.



posted on Jul, 15 2009 @ 02:13 PM
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Originally posted by sinthia
The athiest position is the most ridiculous of all.


Most atheists are actually "we really do not know so lets move onto something else" kind of people ...

Those militant ones, or, as I like to call them New-Born Atheists, you know, the ones who come out of their "oppression" by whatever religion they were "oppressed" when they were kids, are the ones who like to be loud and "proud".

New-Born Cristian Bible thumper kind are not any different, they ooze with superiority over "old-school" Christians and everyone else



posted on Jul, 15 2009 @ 02:34 PM
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I suppose that 'fantasies' relate to religious beliefs?
Where do athiestic morals come from?
Murder certainly isn't frowned upon by many athiests if is re-labelled abortion.


Learn to spell 'atheist'.

Fantasies are products of the imagination. They are not reality. If something that is believed to be true yet is demonstrably false, it's a fantasy.

Morals are evolved social behaviours, not principles found in stories. A monkey will not be able to comprehend any morals you try to teach it yet it will still tend to a wounded or sick family or troop member. A monkey will still cooperate even if means sacrificing food. An Atheist gets his or her morals from the same place animals do, instinct and parents.

I made a thread about this a while back about the Social Investment

Obviously, you think murder can not be justified. If a stranger broke into my house and was going to rape or murder me or my family, I would not hesitate to kill - or murder - him first. Life is not sacred and therefore lives can be valued and all lives are not of equal value. If a 13 y/o girl was raped and impregnated, I would not make her keep it and I would hope others would not either. Abort - or murder - the child while it can not suffer and salvage what is left of a traumatised girls mind in hope that she could recover.

I am not for abortion - or murder - as a general rule, but for certain circumstances, an abortion - or murder - is in order. I would sooner try and avoid it having to come to that with contraceptives like condoms or the morning-after pill.

[edit on 15-7-2009 by Welfhard]



posted on Jul, 15 2009 @ 02:58 PM
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Does the Energy from an Atheist's body disappear forever ?

Because according to science, energy never dies............If you ( the atheist ) are in fact alive right now, how then do you explain how you came to be and what happens to you when you die?

I'm not religious at all......Don't like it, not an atheist nor agnostic, but I do believe in a ONE Universal Great Conscience so I do have some beliefs but was just wondering what atheists say about that.


My biggest problem with humanity is we always think "we are right" and "they are wrong" .

We always feel we " have it figured out " when we never really do.......


If men as smart as we are today once believed in many gods, then men as smart as we are today, once believed in one god and still do, and now men as smart as we are now, some of them believe in no god, How do you or anyone explain this?



posted on Jul, 15 2009 @ 09:20 PM
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So I see some good posts and good thoughts. Kind of realized I spelled Atheist wrong, whoops! Anyway there's quite a bit of controversy as always but it seems most people dislike obnoxious preachers of any kind.

I guess I haven't called him out on it yet, because I don't like people attacking my personal religious beliefs. Mostly because I don't think he'd understand. I guess I mostly keep quiet to avoid hypocrisy and making others angry. But I should probably say something when he says some extreme things.

I didn't recall this until I left last night but, he did say he used to be Christian.
After he made his comment "Jesus is a Con Artist" the Preacher replied "Belief in God will set you free". When we got back to my other friends he told them what the preacher said and said this "Religion will set you free?! That's not true, I ditched Christianity and have never been freer in my life!". So I think he has some pent up anger against Christianity for some reason, he is from Kansas and that's part of the Bible belt (right?) so who knows.



posted on Jul, 16 2009 @ 01:35 AM
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"Religion will set you free?! That's not true, I ditched Christianity and have never been freer in my life!"


This is me. One thing you should be aware of is that ex-christians often have a disdain for Christianity, especially if they grew up in it, because of indoctrination.

[edit on 16-7-2009 by Welfhard]



posted on Jul, 16 2009 @ 01:40 AM
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I believe in Jesus, but not in any churches, and I always try and push this view, but I do not scoff at people who believe otherwise.

I do not like people trying to push things onto me so I probably should not do this, but I am just trying to get people to follow Jesus, the only truth in the universe.



posted on Jul, 16 2009 @ 01:41 AM
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Originally posted by Republican08

Originally posted by asmall89
Sorry I didn't mean Atheists in general, I meant his certain Atheist views mostly. I know not all Atheists do what he does, just like not every religious person goes out preaching at fourth of July ceremonies. It's hypocrisy by how he says Atheists are good we don't push our views on others like those religious fanatics, but turns around and does it himself. I guess what I'm trying to point out, is that all beliefs have their hypocrites/extremists I suppose.


He as one is hypocritical, or is in self denial.

I as an atheist, do push my views on others, although, not on anyone under the age of 18, they are free to be children and act as such, under law.

Those over 18, are subjective to the same spam as I am. No I'm pretty sure I didn't win a free X-Box, for the final time!



Only spam the ones who spam you.

Leave the rest alone and keep your beliefs to yourself.



[edit on 16-7-2009 by jd140]



posted on Jul, 16 2009 @ 10:44 AM
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Originally posted by Welfhard
reply to post by sinthia
 


Learn to spell 'atheist'.

Fantasies are products of the imagination. They are not reality. If something that is believed to be true yet is demonstrably false, it's a fantasy.

Morals are evolved social behaviours, not principles found in stories. A monkey will not be able to comprehend any morals you try to teach it yet it will still tend to a wounded or sick family or troop member. A monkey will still cooperate even if means sacrificing food. An Atheist gets his or her morals from the same place animals do, instinct and parents.

I made a thread about this a while back about the Social Investment

Obviously, you think murder can not be justified. If a stranger broke into my house and was going to rape or murder me or my family, I would not hesitate to kill - or murder - him first. Life is not sacred and therefore lives can be valued and all lives are not of equal value. If a 13 y/o girl was raped and impregnated, I would not make her keep it and I would hope others would not either. Abort - or murder - the child while it can not suffer and salvage what is left of a traumatised girls mind in hope that she could recover.

I am not for abortion - or murder - as a general rule, but for certain circumstances, an abortion - or murder - is in order. I would sooner try and avoid it having to come to that with contraceptives like condoms or the morning-after pill.

[edit on 15-7-2009 by Welfhard]


Firstly as regards spelling - oops. Big deal.

Second, an atheist gets his morals from instinct or parents - so a child that is beaten by his parents, sees nothing else but violence has every right to treat others the same? As I said, the atheist position is ridiculous.

It's a shame you don't see life as sacred. That is THE problem. The fact that morals have gone down the toilet, primarily due to atheism and the notion of evolution, and so as you say, life isn't valued or respected. A murderer is the product of a bad upbringing, so isn't inherently to blame.

It's a sad sick world, and I have to say that although you might be a fantastic individual, reading parts of your post made me feel actually sick.



posted on Jul, 16 2009 @ 10:52 AM
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preaching his lack of beliefs, as opposed to preaching his beliefs. ahaha

yeah, i hate vocal atheists. Their argument is flawed. I consider myself something of an atheist in that i don't think "the creator" is here influencing the world is subtle ways.

Obviously something created our universe though. Something simply does not come from nothing, so there is most definitely a middle ground.

I think its safe to say that god is every morsel of matter, antimatter and waves in the universe. Actually, its probably more safe to just keep my mouth shut
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posted on Jul, 16 2009 @ 11:05 AM
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I'm an atheist and i DO see life as sacred.

It sickens me to the core when i read about murder, child abuse, suicides etc...

Don't lump us all together, we are individuals... Just like Christians are individuals, just as jews and agnostics are individuals.

There is NO such thing as a typical atheist. We are not all pro-abortion, so grow up and deal with it.



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