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Mass UFO Sightings, A Skeptics Worst Nightmare

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posted on Jul, 14 2009 @ 11:02 PM
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If you are looking to gain the upper hand in a ufo debate with your skeptic friend, you have a new weapon at your disposal... mass ufo sightings.

The Fatima UFO, 1917
Thousands of people saw what they thought was the sun gyrate and descend. This was later reinterpreted by many as a possible UFO sighting that was not originally recognized as such due to cultural differences.

The Foo Fighters, 1926
Small metallic spheres and colorful balls of light repeatedly spotted, and on occasion photographed, by military air crews around the world during World War II.

Battle of Los Angeles, 1942
Unidentified aerial objects trigger the military to fire thousands of anti-aircraft rounds into the sky and raise the wartime alert status.

Ghost Rockets, 1946
Objects were sighted repeatedly over Scandinavia; Swedish Defense Staff expressed concern.

Green Fireballs, 1948
Objects reported over several United States military bases; an official investigation followed.

Kapustin Yar, 1948
A "cigar" shaped UFO was supposedly shot down by a Russian MiG.

Mantell UFO Incident
US Air Force sent a fighter pilot to investigate a UFO sighting over Fort Knox, Kentucky; the pilot was killed while pursuing the UFO.

Gorman Dogfight, 1948
A US Air Force pilot sighted and pursued a UFO for 27 minutes over Fargo, North Dakota.

Mariana UFO Incident, 1950
The manager of Great Falls' pro baseball team took color film of two UFOs flying over Great Falls. The film was extensively analyzed by the US Air Force and independent investigators.

Lubbock Lights, 1952
Lights were repeatedly spotted flying over the city. They were witnessed by science professors from Texas Tech University and photographed by a Texas Tech student.

and probably the most interesting one...

Milton Torres 1957 UFO Encounter, 1957
US Air Force fighter pilot Milton Torres reports that he was ordered to interecept and fire on a UFO displaying "very unusual flight patterns" over East Anglia. Ground radar operators had tracked the object for some time before Torres' plane was scrambled to intercept.

Why is there such denial among the skeptics? Is it because they are afraid of the truth or because they dont want to know the truth? Well something non-human is out there, and that is the truth.

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posted on Jul, 14 2009 @ 11:23 PM
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I disagree with the topic itself

A proper skeptic would be perhaps even more overjoyed than a default believer if indeed a proper UFO mothership type thing did come down and was without a doubt proven. A skeptic of UFOs are so because they are really trying to find the truth behind it, and find that amazing piece of footage, not accepting any hoax or picture of a bird as proof of zetas.

Now, a religoskeptic is a different story...with them, it wouldnt matter if they were flat out abducted, brought to moons around jupiter and forced to work in alien mines for 30 years before returned to earth...he still would simply dismiss it because its not part of popular science that does his thinking for him.

So...I would say a proper topic title would be:
Mass UFO Sightings, a skeptics reason to investigate



posted on Jul, 14 2009 @ 11:26 PM
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Good thread, I'd say I'm a sceptic (UK)... but I don't believe Yet! I'm open to the probability of aliens.



posted on Jul, 14 2009 @ 11:28 PM
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What I think was the most shocking one out of all, was the "Mantell UFO incident"
Were the pilot was killed in the process of following the UFO...

O.o



posted on Jul, 15 2009 @ 12:04 AM
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Yeah SaturnFX said it right. I disagree with the topic. It suggests that being a skeptic means you dismiss the notion of ufos 100%.

Being a skeptic doesn't mean that we 100% dismiss the possibility of ufos existing. Having a "skeptical" philosophy only means that we prefer to examine the evidence or lack of in a more rigorous and scientific manner. The difference is that our minds are not closed to either possibilities that ufos may or may not exist, unlike some of you who have already made up your minds either way, even without good evidence. That kind of belief is just another kind of religious dogma.

Remember: Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.



posted on Jul, 15 2009 @ 12:06 AM
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Yes there was atleast one person who died trying to find out the truth. Rest in peace Mantell. Some were lucky to get away with just burns to their body from exposure.



posted on Jul, 15 2009 @ 12:44 AM
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Good cases, but you left out quite a few classics, to name just 3 more......

  • The Nellis AFB footage (1994)


    The images were shot on a range that is in restricted air space near Nellis AFB. The tracking cameras got a radar lock on an object that was traveling away from the camera initially, then abruptly changed course when the object detected that it was being tracked. The object appeared to be curious about what was tracking it and came in for a better view. This video was enhanced and viewed by several photoimaging experts, on camera , and they seemed to be baffled about it's origin and properties.



    The pictures from the video:









    The following are excerpts from the conversation of the contractor's personnel operating the tracking stations. Being good military folks, they do the best they can, which is to simulate an attack and kill the object.

    CONTROL: I show an aircraft headed north pretty fast.
    OPERATOR 1: I got a helo [slang for helicopter].
    FEMALE OP: At eleven?
    OPERATOR 1: Yeah, can't figure out where he's at on this thing.
    CONTROL: Be advised... We're filled to capacity.
    OPERATOR 2: What is that?
    OPERATOR 1: I don't know. No idea. A helo?
    FEMALE OP: Looks like one. It's way up high no. It's going, like straight up. OPERATOR 1: We acquired this unknown object. Aircraft of some type. We're going to put a launch up on it anyways, see what happens. It seems to be hovering there. [Gives bearing of UFO]. It appears to be going outbound real slow. There's hardly any range velocity. I don't know if this would impact or not....[Simulated launch occurs.] We have impact. We'll call this a kill on this unknown aircraft. T-1 Control doesn't know what type of aircraft this is either...
    OPERATOR 2: That's weird.
    OPERATOR 1: Strange.




    Text and images courtesy of ufologie.net

    Very interesting case that is relatively recent, no explanation that explains this as of yet 16 years later. Was it a secret test from the near by Area 51 or was it a ET craft checking out a high profile US base?

  • Belgium Wave

    One of the most famous cases in ufology, with probably the best picture of a UFO ever. Skeptics are very reluctant to speculate on it, it is not a hoax according to any research done on it. Let alone the multiple radar hits during the wave.

    [color=gold]Pictures and radar pictures






    All images courtesy of ufologie.net

    Some information on the one year (some sightings persisted for 4 years but the majority only for around one) wave:


    During the Belgian UFO Wave, from 1989 to 1991, the SOBEPS[1] (a Belgian ufology group in favor of the extraterrestrial hypothesis) claims there were around 2000 witnesses in all. Most of them were just phone calls given to the SOBEPS office in Brussels and didn't have any further - and proper - investigations. On top of that, most of the phone calls were not recorded or archived. On the first night of the wave, November 29, 1989, 143 sightings were recorded, according to the SOBEPS. This night was the peak of the Belgian UFO Wave in terms of ground sightings.

    On the night of 30/31 March 1990, unknown objects were tracked on radar. Following the incident the Belgian air force released a report detailing the events of that night.

    At around 23:00 on 30 March the supervisor for the Control Reporting Center (CRC) at Glons received reports that three unusual lights were seen moving towards Thorembais-Gembloux which lies to the South-East of Brussels. The lights were reported to be brighter than stars, changing color between red, green and yellow, and appeared to be fixed at the vertices of an equilateral triangle. At this point Glons CRC requested the Wavre gendarmerie send a patrol to confirm the sighting.

    Approximately 10 minutes later a second set of lights was sighted moving towards the first triangle. By around 23:30 the Wavre gendarmerie had confirmed the initial sightings and Glons CRC had been able to observe the phenomenon on radar. During this time the second set of lights, after some erratic manoeuvres, had also formed themselves into a smaller triangle. After tracking the targets and after receiving a second radar confirmation from the Traffic Center Control at Semmerzake, Glons CRC gave the order to scramble two F-16 fighters from Beauvechain Air Base shortly before midnight. Throughout this time the phenomenon was still clearly visible from the ground, with witnesses describing the whole formation as maintaining their relative positions while moving slowly across the sky. Witnesses also reported two dimmer lights towards the municipality of Eghezee displaying similar erratic movements to the second set of lights.

    Over the next hour the two scrambled F-16s attempted nine separate interceptions of the targets. On three occasions they managed to obtain a radar lock for a few seconds but each time the targets changed position and speed so rapidly that the lock was broken. During the first radar lock, the target accelerated from 150mph to over 1,100mph while changing altitude from 9,000ft to 5,000ft, then up to 11,000ft before descending to almost ground level – the first descent of more than 3,000 feet taking less than two seconds. Similar manoeuvres were observed during both subsequent radar locks. On no occasion were the F-16 pilots able to make visual contact with the targets and at no point, despite the speeds involved, was there any indication of a sonic boom.

    During this time, ground witnesses broadly corroborate the information obtained by radar. They described seeing the smaller triangle completely disappear from sight at one point, while the larger triangle moved upwards very rapidly as the F-16s flew past. After 00:30 radar contact became much more sporadic and the final confirmed lock took place at 00:40. This final lock was once again broken by an acceleration from around 100mph to 700mph after which the radar of the F-16s and those at Glons and Semmerzake all lost contact. Following several further unconfirmed contacts the F-16s eventually returned to base shortly after 01:00.

    The final details of the sighting were provided by the members of the Wavre gendarmerie who had been sent to confirm the original report. They describe four lights now being arranged in a square formation, all making short jerky movements, before gradually losing their luminosity and disappearing in four separate directions at around 01:30.[2]


    en.wikipedia.org...

    This is likely the best UFO case ever to this date, with the picture of the triangle being the best picture ever of a UFO, it is still unexplained to this day.


    On April 1990, a picture was taken of the aircraft, and it remains as one of the most famous UFO pictures to date.[1]

    After appraising the evidence, the Belgian Air Force found it could offer no explanation for the sighting, but did reject the following possibilities:[3]

    Balloons.
    Ultralight aircraft (ULM).
    Unmanned aerial vehicles (UAV).
    Aircraft (including Stealth).
    Laser projections or holograms.
    Mirages or other meteorological phenomena.

    en.wikipedia.org...

    You already mentioned the Mantell icident, but here is a in-depth thread(more than just wiki) on the case: The Mantell UFO Incident. Here is another great case that defies any current explanations:

  • The Lakenheath-Bentwaters UFO Incident

    First Contact
    The first URE, or unidentified radar echo, came at around 9:30 PM on the Bentwaters Air Force Base radar. The contact was about 25-30 miles east, southeast. The contact remained until it was lost about 15-20 miles to the west, northwest of Bentwaters. The object stayed on a constant azimuth heading of 285 degrees and was moving at an estimated speed of between 4,000 and 10,800 mph (Mach 7.5 - 15), the speed varies as there is discrepancy in the radar operators calculation of speed in regards to the transit time between distances in between the 2 second radar sweeps. The operator said that "the size of the blip was that of a normal aircraft, but diminished in size and intensity to the vanishing point before crossing the entire screen."A T-33 "Shooting Star" trainer from the 512th Fighter Interceptor Squadron manned by 1st Lieutenants Charles Metz and navigator Andrew Rowe, who were already in the air returning from a training mission, were diverted to investigate but found nothing and returned home.

    Continued Next post...



    [edit on 7/15/2009 by jkrog08]

    [edit on 7/15/2009 by jkrog08]



  • posted on Jul, 15 2009 @ 12:45 AM
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    Third Contact
    At 10:00PM yet another contact was picked up about 30 miles east of Bentwaters and tracked to a point about 25 miles west of the station for 16 seconds. The radar operator figured the speed to be "in excess of 4,000 mph" but given the distance covered divided by time it appears the speed was more like 12,000 mph, or around Mach 17. All of the returns appeared normal except for the last, which was slightly weaker than the others. The URE disappeared when it moved out of range.

    Fourth Contact
    At 10:55PM radar contact occurred again, the URE was 30 miles east of Bentwaters moving west at an apparent speed of between 2,000-4,000 mph. The URE disappeared 2 miles East of the station and "immediately" appeared on scope 3 miles west of the station. It then disappeared entirely 30 miles west of the station. It is interesting to note that this URE appeared to be on the same course as the third contact and depending on the radar operators definition of "immediately" (as in blinked off and back on in the same sweep) then the speed would have been around 18,000 mph, or around Mach 25. The official Blue Book report estimated the speed lower, at 12,000 mph. Now at this point in this ongoing anomalous saga someone at Bentwaters called an operator at Lakenheath radar station and asked "if they had any 4,000 mph targets". The caller from Bentwaters also stated the control tower at Bentwaters had reported seeing a " bright light passing over the field from east to west at terrific speed at around 4,000 feet altitude." Now at this same time a pilot of a C-47 flying over the station at 4,000 feet reported "a bright light passed under his craft moving east to west at terrific speed."

    Accordingly the Lakenheath radar supervisor had all controllers start scanning the scopes using MTI, or a moving target indicator, which eliminated all ground clutter, or ground returns. The operators soon discovered a stationary echo about 20-25 miles southwest of Lakenheath. It is interesting to note that the radars should not have picked up the target because it was not moving, but they did. Here is an interesting note on why they may have still picked up a stationary target:

    A vibrating or rapidly rotating target will show up on MTI radar even if it is not otherwise in motion.

    www.nicap.org...

    It then began moving once again in an instantaneous acceleration in velocity to 400-600 mph in a north, northeast direction. Local Air Force command was notified and kept appraised of the developing situation, which included the URE making several linear direction changes at around 600 mph with no speed change apparent in the directional changes. The changes varied between 8 and 20 miles in length with stationary episodes of 180-360 seconds (3-6 minutes) in between. It is also note worthy that there were several observations at Lakenheath at this time, including multiple site radar AND visual conformations of the objects instant acceleration and abrupt stops. At about 11:50PM the RAF (Royal Air Force) scrambled a de Havilland "Venom" fighter jet to investigate.

    The stationary UFO was at an altitude 15-20,000 feet and about 16 miles SW of the base. Shortly after the new vector was given Lakenheath told the pilot the URE was half a mile dead ahead, the pilot then radioed, "Roger...I've got my guns on him." The pilot was referring to a radar fire control system, the pilot told the USAF later that the "URE was the clearest target I've ever seen on radar." There was a brief pause after the pilot radioed the lock, then the pilot radioed Lakenheath asking "Where did he go?", "Do you still have him?". Lakenheath then radioed in saying the UFO had made a swift circular movement and was now BEHIND the aircraft! The pilot then confirmed the UFO was indeed behind him and that he would "try to shake it". The pilots numerous maneuvers to shake the unknown aircraft were unsuccessful, Lakenheath said that there was a distinct radar echo behind the echo of the jet, indicating that the separation was greater than 500 feet. At this time, still unable to shake the UFO of his tail the Venom pilot requested assistance. After around ten minutes the first pilot radioed in, reportedly sounding very scared, saying he was returning to base because his fuel was low. He asked if the craft was following him and was told by Lakenheath that it did for a short distance then resumed its stationary position.



    "He tried everything. He climbed, dived and circled. But the UFO acted like it was glued right behind him. Always the same distance, very close."
    For 10 minutes the pilot tried to shake off the object. Those on the ground could "tell from his tonal quality that he was getting worried, excited and also pretty scared."

    The pilot eventually returned to base safely, any alternate explanations put forth can not account for all five UREs, even the Condon Commission thought at least one UFO was real. There were multiple radar contacts from many sources, including simultaneous ground/air/visual.
    See this thread for more information.

     

    These were just three cases, there are MANY more, I just wanted to add to your group of cases to show that there are much more than those. Obviously I have left out some MAJOR cases like Roswell, Kecksburg, Height 611, JAL 1628, Coyne, Chiles-Whitted, Hill Abduction, Gulf Breeze, and many, many more. For further study I would recommend any thread by searching any of those cases on ATS, there are GREAT threads by a few members on most of those cases.


    Links to cases described above:
    Nellis Link
    Belgium Link
    Lakenheath Link

    Good thread but remember anything, even the great cases could be anything, including something mundane.



    [edit on 7/15/2009 by jkrog08]



    posted on Jul, 15 2009 @ 01:05 AM
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    thanks jkrog, I'm trying to find info on that mass sighting in Mexico. Hundreds of people watched as a cylinder floated above the appartments and dissapeared into the clouds... that's all I remember about it.



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