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"Evidence" from the birth certificate conspiracy, my analysis

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posted on Jul, 21 2009 @ 11:21 AM
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Flyer ...you lie...not a personal attack, but instead a demonstrable fact. I can go back and pull up past threads where you have edited qoutes, twisted the truth, distorted facts and often outright lied...about this issue. like I said, I will cite your prior posts if need be. You need to be banned because you fan the flames with dishonesty and lies.


Originally posted by FlyersFan


Forger Jay McKinnon confessed.



Here is where I confronted you on this specific lie just last week and here you are doing just as I predicted...repeating the lie you know to be false.




Originally posted by maybereal11

Originally posted by FlyersFan
Bud ... you've already been shown that's a forgery. The forger (Jay McKinnon) admitted it. AND Factcheck is run by Annenberg. Obama was on their board and they are big Obama $$ sponsors.



www.freerepublic.com...
Jay McKinnon, a self-described Department of Homeland Security-trained document specialist, has implicated himself in the production of fake Hawaii birth certificate images similar to the one endorsed as genuine by the Barack Obama campaign,

Whoa..."simliar to" not the actual certificate that President Obama produced? Geez Flyers the way you are repeatedly claiming this particular piece of BS I thought it must be true!

This is Free Republic for gods sake...ya know..the ones that print almost anything anti-obama and even they are saying that this guy only created a hoax certificate which in their opinion is SIMILAR...NOT THE ACTUAL CERTIFICATE OBAMA PRODUCED.

Lets look to another Anti-Obama site maybe they will clear it up...
Israeli Insider
web.israelinsider.com...
Jay McKinnon, a self-described Department of Homeland Security-trained document specialist, has implicated himself in the production of palpably fake Hawaii birth certificate images similar to the one endorsed as genuine by the Barack Obama campaign

Again "Similar to" but NO he did not forge Obama's Birth Certificate for him.

* Here is my question to you Flyers...if the Israeli Insider and the Free Republic weren't comfortable lying and saying this man forged President Obama's Birth Certificate for him...Why are you?

Deny ignorance everyone.

[edit on 13-7-2009 by maybereal11]



Originally posted by maybereal11
From my earlier post
...case in point above.

Originally posted by maybereal11

They have instead repeatedly twisted and distorted facts as well as outright lied to continue making the case.

There are many posters here who are familiar to me who repeat things that have been clearly and decisively shown to be false on other threads they were active in.

Some of them I have caught editing qoutes they lift from sources to suit their position.

All evidence to the contrary that folks post here is easily debunked...and has been debunked...and when it is debunked..those posters turn to personal attacks or silently slink away to post on some other thread until their BS is challenged again.





posted on Jul, 21 2009 @ 11:25 AM
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WoW! That was some piece of work there totake!


Thanks, but I just quoted it from the web page I linked.



posted on Jul, 21 2009 @ 12:40 PM
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Originally posted by Totakeke
reply to post by Southern Guardian
 




The previous constitutional reference you posted where it referred to both parents having to be citizens only accounts for those children born off US soil which you fellas are yet to prove.


Please prove to me that Obama is a natural-born citizen. I don't want speculation; I want hard proof.


It has been proven...several times..
Lets just throw a few facts out there...to deaf ears I am sure.

Obama has shown his birth certificate...
The same certificate any of us would recieve if we went to the registrars office and requested one.

In order for a certificate to be a valid form of identification in the US it must have the registrars seal and signature. Obama's does.

The certificate he provided was generated/printed after all the information was validated by the registrars office of Hawaii when he requested it..the registrar then provided his seal and signature..thus the modern fonts..the birthers BS about "look at the fonts!" they weren't available then...that is your answer.

The certificate of birth you recieve at the hospital is NOT a legal form of identification. The COB that Obama provided with the registrars seal is the most valid form of identification in the US. It is what honored by the courts.

THe BS about some guy admitting he forged it...it never happened. He admitted to mocking up a COB and then said...see how easy it is? He never produced a physical mock up with a legitimate seal. He had nothing to do with Obama's actual COB. THIS WAS SPIN AND LIES and is easily proven as the same.

The ambassador to Kenya never said President Obama was born there, he was speaking about Obama's father. This is 100% without question looking at the transcript...anything else has been proven to be falsehood and lies.

Obama's paternal grandmother never said he was born in Kenya. She was speaking of Obama Senior and this has been clearly shown in transcripts. Again lies and spin.

The COB which Obama provided specifies, and law requires it to specify the exact same information as the original files contain, that President Obama was born in the city of Oahu, on the island of Honolulu, in the state of Hawaii, Aug. 4th 1961.

The law that allows people to petition for a birth certificate from Hawaii even if they weren't born there..it was passed in 1982 and prohibits people born prior to then from applying. It also specifys on that certificate that it was a non-native application.

The Registrars office in Hawaii went even further, vocally validating the Presidents COB.

An Obama detractor went to the library in Oahu in hopes of demonstrating that there was no physical birth announcement for Obama there, but instead found the actual newspaper in the archives from 1961 announcing his birth.

Obama's father was a Kenyan (british subject at the time) and according to British law he had dual citizenship at the time of his birth.

Dual citizenship does not matter...we have several presidents in the 20th century that were born with dual citizenship...according to other countries laws. The US does not care...we honor our citizenship laws above others, born on US soil and you are an American.

During WW2 Germany tried to encourage German-Americans to embrace there "German citizenship" and fight the American Government. The US government laughed at the claims that Germany would declare any of it's people German citizens becuase they had parents who were born in Germany and German law considered them citizens...The USA does not honor other countries citizenship claims above it's own. This is our policy and law and rightly so.

President Obama was born here and is a Natural Born US Citizen.

Everything else is bunk and most often outright distortion and lies. It is so painfully apparent that yes, honest folks looking to sort out the BS come to the rational conclusion that those distorting the truth and lying must have a motivation and race seems the obvious choice.

"Birthers" do not even qualify as conspiracy theorists.
In order to qualify they must actually believe it rather than willfully lie to fit a world view or agenda.

In my experience "birthers" consist of two groups...the willfully ignorant and the willfully dishonest.

[edit on 21-7-2009 by maybereal11]



posted on Jul, 21 2009 @ 01:14 PM
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Did you not read what I previously quoted? A "birth certificate" is different than a "certificate of live birth". Also, the people that supposedly checked the legitimacy of Obama's birth certificate (the short form, not the long form) are pro-Obama.



President Obama was born here and is a Natural Born US Citizen.


Then why can't he produce his birth certificate, the long form, the real one. Not the certificate of live birth, but the birth certificate.

Willfully ignorant and willfully dishonest? Since when is it ignorant and dishonest to question the man who's running our country?

[edit on 21-7-2009 by Totakeke]



posted on Jul, 21 2009 @ 02:44 PM
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Originally posted by Totakeke
reply to post by maybereal11
 


Did you not read what I previously quoted? A "birth certificate" is different than a "certificate of live birth". Also, the people that supposedly checked the legitimacy of Obama's birth certificate (the short form, not the long form) are pro-Obama.


Okay...I'll pretend you actually care about being honest. Suspension of disbelief for the sake of argument.

The difference between a "birth certificate" and "certificate of live birth"...

I'll give you a clue...go ask your local registrars office for your "birth certificate"...better yet ask for a copy of your "long form". Tell them you need it to be valid for the highest court in the land...what do you think they will give you?

A turn of phrase, a play on how little the average joe knows about vital statistics terminology...and wala..you can make those who want to believe...believe

Benevelont Heretic put the issue to bed along time ago.
www.abovetopsecret.com...



posted on Jul, 21 2009 @ 02:59 PM
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Originally posted by Totakeke
Also, the people that supposedly checked the legitimacy of Obama's birth certificate (the short form, not the long form) are pro-Obama.


You need to research for yourself once in a while. You are reffering to how the Annenberg Foundation supports Fact Check...a non-partisan fact checking site that has railed into both democrats and republicans when they divert from the truth.

The Annenberg foundation also supported a foundation in Chicago aimed at bettering the school systems and President Obama was involved with that foundation.

The head of that foundation, Leonore Annenberg was a stuanch REPUBLICAN....BUT she also cared about truth and education and thus funded Fact Check and THe Annenberg Challenge among other noble ventures.

She is dead now, so she is easy pickings for propagandists looking to paint her as some left wing conspirator.
en.wikipedia.org...
The Annenbergs contributed to Ronald Reagan's 1980 presidential campaign and upon his inauguration, Leonore was named Chief of Protocol, placing her in charge of advising the president, vice president, and Secretary of State on matters relating to diplomatic protocol.

At the announcement of her death, statements were issued by former President George H. W. Bush and Barbara Bush, as well as former First Lady Nancy Reagan. Mrs. Reagan called Annenberg "a dear and longtime friend" and praised the Annenberg's philanthropic work as having "left an indelible print on education in the United States".

ASIDE from Fact Check the certificate he provided has been deemd be the courts accordingly with US Law as legitimate proof of Native Born Citizenship. In addition to the registrars signature and seal validating the document, the office of vital statistics has publically validated it to the press.

So when you say "the people that supposedly checked the legitimacy of Obama's birth certificate (the short form, not the long form) are pro-Obama."

Who are you refering to? Annenberg who was a stuanch republican and financed Reagans campaign and was appointed to office by him? The US Courts? The registrar in Hawaii? The Office of vital Statistics?

Or are you refering to someone elses post that you wanted to believe rather than research in hopes of discovering the truth?

Willful ignorance or willful dishonesty.





[edit on 21-7-2009 by maybereal11]



posted on Jul, 21 2009 @ 03:17 PM
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Originally posted by uswgo
If Obama is from Kenya then he should not be our president at all, proof comes from the U.S Constitution itself. It states that you have to be a born US citizen to become a presidential leader of this country, now if theres any proof there isn't Obama would want to cover that up because it would ruin his election and he would be kicked out of power either by the Supreme court, the police, the FBI, and/or if those forces sit and do nothing but make him the king of law then the people need to march to the white house and remove him by force otherwise our country is finished because then a foreigner will run our country.


Article II, section I, does not mention U.S. SOIL........



posted on Jul, 21 2009 @ 03:37 PM
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Originally posted by drwizardphd

Originally posted by googolplex
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You seem to be a narrow minded fool





Originally posted by googolplex
there is evidence Obama was not born in U.S. , such as his Grandmother saying he was born in Kenya.


This is simply not true. Have any of you actually listened to the recording in question? I will post the full recording, so you can all listen in:



Skip ahead to around 5:30 or so, Obama's grandmother repeatedly states that Obama was born in Hawaii. The interviewer asks the translator several times, and she affirms that fact. The interviewer then apologizes for misconstruing her earlier statement, and concedes that Obama was indeed born in America.


Originally posted by googolplex
The other thing the birth certificate he presented does not mean anything except he was born, it does not state he was born in U.S. or on Moon.


This is also not true. Have you actually seen the Certification of Live Birth?

It's right here, and it clearly states that he was born in Honolulu, on the Island of Oahu.


The 'evidence' that is being touted (his birth certificate is a forgery, his grandmother said he was born in Mombasa) is simply not true. I have provided it all here in this thread, listen to it and find out for yourself.


This is the proof he was born in Kenya?? Are you kidding me?? Grandma sounds mixed up and confused by the questioning, and who could make out much of anything from that conversation?



posted on Jul, 21 2009 @ 05:10 PM
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Originally posted by aero56

Originally posted by uswgo
If Obama is from Kenya then he should not be our president at all, proof comes from the U.S Constitution itself. It states that you have to be a born US citizen to become a presidential leader of this country, now if theres any proof there isn't Obama would want to cover that up because it would ruin his election and he would be kicked out of power either by the Supreme court, the police, the FBI, and/or if those forces sit and do nothing but make him the king of law then the people need to march to the white house and remove him by force otherwise our country is finished because then a foreigner will run our country.


Article II, section I, does not mention U.S. SOIL........


It says, "No person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President; neither shall any Person be eligible to that Office who shall not have attained to the Age of thirty-five Years, and been fourteen Years a Resident within the United States."

Which means, nobody except a natural born citizen (which means born on US soil) or someone at the time of the adoption of the Constitution (because no one was a natural born citizen then; America had just become a country) can be president.



posted on Jul, 21 2009 @ 05:25 PM
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Originally posted by aero56

This is the proof he was born in Kenya?? Are you kidding me?? Grandma sounds mixed up and confused by the questioning, and who could make out much of anything from that conversation?



Yep, that is the "evidence" that is repeatedly claimed to be rock-solid proof he was born in Kenya. An audio recording where his grandmother repeatedly claims he was born in Hawaii after the interviewer mistakes an earlier statement from her.

The issue is, people who believe in this sort of thing don't look at the facts. They see headlines like "Obama's Grandmother Claims She Witnessed His Birth in Kenya", and assume they are absolute fact without actually listening to the evidence themselves.

If more people around here denied ignorance in lieu of propagating it, this conspiracy wouldn't even attract the most extreme fringe theorists.



posted on Jul, 21 2009 @ 07:09 PM
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Originally posted by Cypher-X
Barack Obama wants you to ignore what he is doing,


Well your certainly preventing that from happening by sticking your attention to this birther garbage.



he wants you to ignore the U.S. Constitution


Because goodness knows the birthers have been sticking to the constitution in their arguments...



In effect, he wants to destroy the U. S. Constitution


If thats the case why do you and the rest of the birthers ignore the constitution in your arguments?


more people, including many federal, state, and local elected officials, AND many in the military, are questioning whether Barack Hussein Obama is a "natural born citizen,"


The only people questioning Obamas birth are the very same people who either have great dislike for him and hold other multiple conspiracy, or are the same individuals who opposed him during his presidential run. On a note though it didnt matter if the pope himself opposed Obama, the only thing that matters in a court of law is the evidence... do you have evidence Obama was born off US soil?


very beginning all we have ever asked of him,


You asked Obama to show you numerous documents, including the long for and the short form. When he showed the short form you got afew blogger to call it a fake and thats that. Your also demanding his college records among the long form and other documents. The fact of the matter it, nothing he does will satisfy the fringe, so long as he remains president. "all you ask of him" depends on what day and other conspiracy you have about the man. At the end of it all, nobody really cares about what the fringe is asking here because they will hate regardless so long as this mans president. One conspiracy will add on another, its a disgusting cycle with you folks but thats it.

I remember back in 2000 the rumors most probably the same folks were spreading about McCain and his "black love child", or the blatant disregard for the fact Kerry served, regardless of what medals the man earned. The rightwing fringe dont deserve answers, hateful regardless.


Fact: The USJF had subpoenaed the records of Barack Hussein Obama from Occidental College in California, but, Obama's lawyers petitioned the Courtwhich then blockedfrom obtaining those critical records.


Those critical records of his are protected by the 14th admendment. You can speculate and make up stories surrounding it, but at the end of the day its his right not to release it. His short form birth certificate is sufficient proof, and if you dont like it thats your issue. At the end of the day though theres only so much one can fabricate by just not seeing the documents. It still doesnt prove he was born off US soil.


FACT: We DO know that Barack Obama's paternal step-grandmother has proclaimed that she was present at his birth in Mombasa, in what is now Kenya, in Africa!


Liar.

First of all, the audio tape unauthentic. We do not know even if that is his third step grandmother, so the very fact your using this audio tape based on assumption of its authenticity, but then accuse the verified birth certificate of being fake baffles me. Hypocrisy anyone?

Secondly, on the tape the step grandmother refers to Obama snr, not Obama jnr, and through the audio tape she makes those corrections. Get the transcripts of the audio tape if you wish to see yourself.


We DO know that a fake birth certificate was put up on the Obama website


Liar

The only people who considered it a fake are afew members behind a rightwing fringe blog who proclaimed it fake. They dont have the credentials to show for it neither do they have the authority on these birth certificates to claim it to be fake. These are the same individuals who held numerous other conspiracies about Obama on a blog that typically bashed him day in and day out. Apart from the complete biasness of the website itself and the members who did the "supposed analysis" I posted in the OP a link to another individual with the credentials to show for it debunking the lies that came out of those rightwing bloggers on the birth certificate. I suggest you go to the link in the OP.

FACT: With all the "talk" coming from you I am yet to see any evidence that Obama was born off US soil.

[edit on 22-7-2009 by Southern Guardian]



posted on Jul, 21 2009 @ 08:34 PM
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southern guardian:

i commend you on this excellent thread. at least theres ONE person on here able and willing to do more than a half a$$ed research job on this topic.



posted on Jul, 21 2009 @ 11:42 PM
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Originally posted by Wildbob77


I think that it is a clear cut case of racism.

Where have other candidates provided any information about their birth?
Strange, only the black man has to "prove" something that no white candidate has had to "prove
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Racist? Is that so? Tell me Mr. Presumptuous,, what Race do you think Totake is?




Strange, only the black man has to "prove" something that no white candidate has had to "prove


Is that so? I guess that full blown investigation into McCains birthplace went past you while you were attending Jeremiah Wrights Sunday Service eh.



posted on Jul, 21 2009 @ 11:51 PM
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Originally posted by Sky watcher
Even the Pentagon knows Obama is fake. They would court martial this soldier if Obama was legit and you know it.

Now they break U.S. law and get revenge. Blackmailing a company again I see.

Welcome to hell people. The time to fight this illegal government is now.


Yes and the LAST thing the Obama administration wants is a Courts Martial requiring more headlines where that defendant would have a his council sending a deuces tecum to Obama as central figure and reason this guy doesn't recognize his Commander in Chief.



posted on Jul, 22 2009 @ 12:40 AM
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Originally posted by Southern Guardian
Why hasnt anybody provided that evidence of him being born off soil? If there is this great outrage of him being foreign born I'd figure I would have that evidence by now.

[edit on 15-7-2009 by Southern Guardian]


How about the evidence we are due when we asked him over a year and a half to prove his natutal born citizenship the same way he insisted McCain prove his.

What do you do when you renew your drivers license SG and they ask for your BC? Do you tell em Prove I don't have one? What about proof of address, do you tell them "prove I don't live there? "

I have asked you several times who it was in either the election committee the DNC or who ever it was that you think vetted this clown, this charlatan this impostor you worship the ground he walks on.

When Politicians who are not exactly private citizens, have to disclose there income tax, what can we expect from you and your Pied Piper Obama then? Will you be saying "Prove he didn't file his taxes" when he has them sealed?

Applaud the OP?

For what? showing how someone can still follow a guy I see you have defended all along citing many of the campaign promises arguing your house of cards using the same un-reliable sources Obama has a personal history in as a fiduciary agent.

You have consistently mis represented the Hawaii DOH Fukina suggesting the statement proves he US born when the added disclaimer saying it would not be handled any differen't than any other hawaiian BC suggesting his was not? You have equivocated the DOH's statments to substantiate the COLB's authenticity , then to substantiate the vaulted BC which ever is called for in the argument.

I have seen posts you have made defending this man when all he has ever done for you is put egg on your face by breaking every single campaign promise he has ever conned you into believing.

Several times during his campaign he said that he would not allow any earmarks if elected president. So he signs off on a "stimulus" bill that contains 8,600 earmarks while calling the bill "imperfect" -

Gee,, YA THINK!

Why didn't he keep his promise and not sign the bill until all of the earmarks were removed. Yes, Obama lied.

He has never verbally admitted he is a US citizen and has never verbally admitted he was the one to provide the latest photoshopped version of the Obama COLB.

I am such a fan I have collected the whole series of Obama COLB's and while your supporters are all metaphorically high fiving you for your "research" most of it you have laced with so many semantics and assumptions, they call us Ridiculous for demanding an answer to the same old question while Obama's camp keeps offering half truths and supplies second rate evidence when he has first rate proof, we deserve nothing less then the proof we asked for and not the continuing answers to questions and requests we never made or asked.



What Dr Fukino’s statement didn’t say
By mattie14
Updated list of birth certificate posts

February 3, 2009

Extracted this from a previous post (birth certificate Update 2) to go with the new post: Why can’t just the known COLB be subpoenaed?

As far as I know, Dr Fukino has never amended or added to her original statement below.

10-31-08 Statement by Director of Health Director Dr. Chiyome Fukino:

There have been numerous requests for Sen. Barack Hussein Obama’s official birth certificate.

State law (Hawai’i Revised Statutes §338-18) prohibits the release of a certified birth certificate to persons who do not have a tangible interest in the vital record.

Therefore, I as Director of Health for the State of Hawai’i, along with the Registrar of Vital Statistics who has statutory authority to oversee and maintain these type of vital records, have personally seen and verified that the Hawai’i State Department of Health has Sen. Obama’s original birth certificate on record in accordance with state policies and procedures.

1-Original birth certificate present.

2-On file in accordance with state policies.

3-Does not mention what was on it.

4-Does not mention his place of birth.

5-Does not mention proof that barry requested his COLB or if so how many times and when.

6-Does not mention if his family requested barry’s COLB or his original long form or if so how many times and when.

7-Does not mention how long the birth certificate has been on file.

8-Does not mention any of the pertinent information: hospital, doctor, name and DOB, etc.

9-Does not mention any proof that a COLB was in fact derived from the exact original birth certificate she verified.

10-Does not provide chain of evidence proof that the COLB on factcheck was derived from the original birth certificate.

11-Does not prove in any way that the factcheck COLB – that very one – was indeed derived from the long form she verified.

To do so, she would need both in her hand at the same time and records proving one lead to the other one and that no alterations of any sort were made.

Conclusion:

The COLB provided on factcheck has not – by Dr Funkino’s statement – been proven to be an exact legal representation of what was on the exact long form birth certificate she verified.

So how is factcheck’s COLB admissible in a court of law as absolute proof?


You really want to know what is ridiculous when you REALLY think about it??

Obama going to the lengths he has gone, to hide his Original BC from the Public and expecting us to trust him or believe another word this proven liar ever says .

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posted on Jul, 22 2009 @ 12:57 AM
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Originally posted by Southern Guardian
The rightwing fringe dont deserve answers, hateful regardless.


Perhaps this sentiment permeates the entire liberal agenda eh SG?

This is why we keep asking while your statment says a lot more about the issues YOU have with hating, than it says about me.

What ever the reason YOU feel a segment of the American population "doesn't deserve to know the truth",

The truth is said in volumes when anyone considers what kind of person would say such a self incriminating statement as the one you said up top of this post.


Who the hell are you to suggest we don't deserve answers.

As if you even had any



posted on Jul, 22 2009 @ 02:42 AM
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Originally posted by Cypher-X
How about the evidence we are due


Evidence you are due? On whos authority? the "conservatives action league"?? His short for has been sufficent evidence by law as other presidents have presented so far. The mere fact you expect this president now to satisfy the demands of the rightwing fringe who hold numerous other conspiracies and hatred towards him in anycase is just beyond me. Regardless of what he does, so long as Obama is president the rightwing fringe will always have some issue, some outcry of some sort. Nothing isnt going to change that fact.

You have nerve demanding anything given the numerous other garbage you fellas post about this man. Really, I applaud him and the rest of the nation for going about their business. The birthers lost any credibility in demanding anything.


What do you do when you renew your drivers license SG and they ask for your BC? Do you tell em Prove I don't have one?


What do I do when I want to renew my licence? I use my short form birth certificate like the rest. I dont go to the hospital, pay 12 bucks to get a two page long birth certificate that tells me what color my a*s was at birth, I use my short form which is the legal certification of birth under US law, which is clearified by the state, just as Obama had done.


I have asked you several times who it was in either the election committee the DNC or who ever it was that you think vetted this clown, this charlatan this impostor you worship the ground he walks on.


This is exactly what Im talking about here cypher, You couldnt give a damn whether this man jumped through hoops for you, so long as he is president you will always have some hatred for him. You can seriously tell me here "you just want to see his long form" and expect everything to be dandy? This is partly the reason apart from the lack of evidence why the rest of the nation and the world dont takes the birthers seriously, because you constantly expose yourselves as individuals who hold personal hatred to the current president.

I dont give a damn about what personal issues you have against the man, I do however care about the evidence when somebody makes a very serious accusation, and thus far I have seen "nil" from birthers in various debates, which leads to conclude the entire conspiracy itself is held by personal hatred, nothing more, nothing relevant. Say whatever you want about the man, that isnt going to move him from the presidency, evidence of his birth off soil may very well do so.


When Politicians who are not exactly private citizens, have to disclose there income tax,


they use a short form birth certificate verified by the state and health officials as Obama has done.


You have consistently mis represented the Hawaii DOH Fukina


Mis-represented? Like the fact she confirmed the short form birth certificate he presented was authentic? The one with the health directors own signiture?


suggesting the statement proves he US born when the added disclaimer saying it would not be handled any differen't than any other hawaiian BC suggesting his was not?


If you would read clearly some of the arguments over and in the OP there is the difference in the long form and short form birth certificates. Fukina clearly stated that in the matter of the long form vaulted birth certificate it would be handled as every other citizen of the US in Hawaii, however she personally verified the short form birth certificate which is the legal certification of birth on US soil and which is under Hawaiian law a direct reflection of some of contents in the long form birth certificate for those born prior to statute 338 in 1982.

The vast majority of the 44 have also merely presented their short form birth certificates which are legally sufficient evidence of birth on US soil. You may not feel its sufficient enough, you may not feel its authentic, however you do not speak for the rest of the nation, you do not speak for the Hawaiian state health department, you do not have the credentials to say whether the birth certificate it authentic or not. The job of that is left to the Hawaiian state health department, who verified the short form birth certificate.


You have equivocated the DOH's statments to substantiate the COLB's authenticity , then to substantiate the vaulted BC which ever is called for in the argument.


The short form was verified by the Hawaiian state health department personally by Fukina. Following that they then released a statement claiming that the long form was not released and that they would handle it in the same manner as every other citizen in Hawaii, that is leave it vaulted unless directely requested by President Obama himself. You can speculate why the president doesnt meet your own personal demands in releasing the long form nevertheless he is still protected by the 14th admendment not to show those documents, neither is he obligated to further prove his birth right for the presidency as his short form was sufficient enough for proof, as the other 44 have done.

Sitting here and telling us that "you are suspicious he didnt show you his long form" will not hold up in a court of law as sufficient proof he was born off US soil. You have to prove the president was born off US soil because you have absolutly no authority to base the entire argument over the fact you didnt see his long form as the 43 presidents before him.


I have seen posts you have made defending this man when all he has ever done for you is put egg on your face by breaking every single campaign promise he has ever conned you into believing.


What? You mean I was naive enough to think all his campaign promises would come to light in 6 months? After the worst economic collapse since WW2 hit afew weeks prior to his election win?? I think common sense got most of us the realize that whoever became president, there would be a long road ahead. If you read my posts you would have known that I never claimed he would carry out all his campaign promises, not in a matter of 6 months after this financial disaster, you would have read that I preferred the man over John McCain for obvious reasons, those being a more liberal government, those been the fact John McCain voted 95% in line with Bush.


Why didn't he keep his promise

Heres a question, why on earth are you talking about his promises? Is this thread about Obamas policies? Why is it that when the birthers when asked for evidence of his birth off soil go off topic? Can you stick to the topic?

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posted on Jul, 22 2009 @ 02:43 AM
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He has never verbally admitted he is a US citizen and has never verbally admitted


Oh yes and somehow your going to take his word for it? Why should he answer to you if his already provided sufficient proof? Why should he do anything if you folks post personal garbage about him for numerous reasons in the first place? This is now just beyond me. You first accuse the man of willfully faking his own birth certificate then you tell us “he never admitted to being born in Hawaii”?? Have you ever seen somebody ask that question and he deny it? Or is this your personal suspicions again?


he was the one to provide the latest photoshopped version of the Obama COLB.


Because afew rightwing fringe bloggers and those who hate he said "his birth certificate was fake" with no credentials to show for it, Obama should "admit". Get off it, his short form was verified by state. If you personally think its fake thats all fine and dandy, doesnt mean it is buddy. You and those dont have the credentials on birth certificates to officially mark it as a fake, the persons of interest who do, that being the officials of the Hawaiian state health department, verified the short form as authentic.


You really want to know what


You really know what? After 250 posts, I am yet to see one post with solid evidence directly questioning Obamas birth right and eligibility. What you fellas have essential done is to post further hate and personal suspicion of the man and that’s it. That’s all you have show for it. Really its just a waste of space to even continue with you. Come back to me when you actually have solid evidence of his birth off US soil.

I don’t care if you don’t like his policies, I don’t care that you don’t like the fact he didn’t show you all the documents you wanted. I don’t care what you think of the people who voted him in. I dont care what you think of me. The only thing I care about is the evidence he was born off US soil. If you don’t have that, or any constitutional references to back up this conspiracy of yours, then your wasting space here. Come back to me when you actually have something. Im not concerned with your personal issues, neither is the law of the land, neither is the constitution

SG


[edit on 22-7-2009 by Southern Guardian]



posted on Jul, 22 2009 @ 08:50 AM
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Why did you make a thread about this in the first place? You obviously love Obama and the people who want some proof that Obama is who he says he is will not change their mind until they get some proof (like an actual long-form birth certificate). It's obvious that neither side is going to change their opinion. So why even post? If you're right, why does it matter? Why didn't you just not post and let us "right-wing nutjobs" continue wearing our tin foil hats?

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posted on Jul, 22 2009 @ 09:36 AM
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Originally posted by Cypher-X

Originally posted by Southern Guardian
Why hasnt anybody provided that evidence of him being born off soil? If there is this great outrage of him being foreign born I'd figure I would have that evidence by now.

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How about the evidence we are due when we asked him over a year and a half to prove his natutal born citizenship the same way he insisted McCain prove his.


Where did Obama "insist" McCain prove his citizenship?

Provide a link or eat the BS you spout. ATS is about denying ignorance ...not propagating BS.

BTW - He provided proof of citizenship...more so than any president in history...it's not his problem if some fringe right wingers are so blinded by hate, racism, ideology whatever...that they can't understand plain facts.



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