From Jim Marrs rule by SECRECY and some of my own comments, you get the following for your enjoyment regarding the Sumerians, and Planet 12. Oh, and yes, I recommend the book, to be sure. It is about much more than I post here.

My comments are after quotes. Ellipses are used where I choose to leave information out, not to obscure the meaning, but rather to condense content and prevent carpal tunnel syndrome.

From page 100:

Famous students from the London School of Economics include David Rockefeller... future President John F. Kennedy Jr, Robert F. Kennedy... author Zecharia Sitchin...

So we aren't dealing with an uneducated "quack" when discussing Sitchin.

Page 378:

"All the ancient peoples believed in gods who had descended to Earth from the heavens and who could at will soar heavenwards," explained... Sitchin... "But these tales were never given credibility, haven been branded by scholars... as myths."

Empirical evidence to one society's history becoming a myth to a future one discovering it???

...Sitchin reasoned, "Now that astronauts have landed on the Moon, and unmanned spacecraft explore other planets, it is no longer impossible to believe that a civilization on another planet more advanced than ours was capable of landing its astronauts on the planet Earth some time in the past."

And possibly the future? Or right now?

It is significant to learn that the Sumerians never considered, or referred to, the beings who brought them knowledge as "gods." This was a later interpretation by the Romans and Greeks...

This shook me a bit.
And...

The Sumerians called them... Those Who Came to Earth from Heaven.

We have all seen the various painting seeming to depict UFOs right along with saints and angels. If nothing else, it makes me consider the possibilities. I will leave it here for now and consider providing more based upon interest. Not so much out of pride, but my newly found understanding that topics that interest me do not necessarily interest the rest of ATS.

Thanks for reading!

heya Chemly,

While I don't really believe the Nibiru stuff -- at least within context of 2012 -- I admit that I've never really read Stitchin's works, just excerpts others have mined.

There's a frequent patter about him that goes like this: "he didn't really understand Summerian ......... not a linguist, not a scholar..... etc. etc."

I'm interested, if you care to expound upon your OP. I think it's perfectly plausible, even likely, that the Earth was visited prior to our ancient recorded history. Seems like every culture [that I'm aware of] has writings along those lines. Who are we to label them myths?

I'll see if I can acquire the book, and thanks for the nudge....

Funny that I wouldn't buy Stitchin's book, but wouldn't balk at Jim Marrs' take on the whole thing.

Amazon won't ship here; apparently this lil' Caribbean nation is far too seditious or something....... Do you know if it's offered as an online book?

Sounds like a perfectly plausible point to proceed from -- what you were talking about -- I think there's a lot of valid info that is lost through interpretation from various religious texts. I think things get interpreted sometimes in the manner in which the text resonates to the person translating it, and particularly when translating a phenomenon that is unfamiliar.

Back about 30 years ago when I was in college, I decided to read the Bible, highlight anything that strongly resonated as technology. Well. Pretty soon, the majority of what I'd read was more yellow highlighted than not.

It was eye-opening, and I hadn't even gotten to Eizekiel yet

Ive heard of Zach how ever never of his theory...

I will however say that to coincide with everyt other little coincedence....i think i may have downloaded soem data recently coinciding with his theory...

The "Gods" where simply a alien race....

Its all very very plausible, imagine living 6000 yrs ago, never seeing electricity - when all of a sudden an illumines object appears and teachs you agriculture and how to adequtliy survive - build a humanity...

My "downloaded" hunch also tells me that evolution was in fact real, however prior to even ancient sumeria there was genetic purification that was essentially installed and allowed to breed itself out as normal evolution would...then come the alien gods teaching the now someone logical and comprehending humans...this purification that installed into the human the its humab vs animal realm tendencies, logic, the compartment we call a soul so these beings can learn their lessons living through our bodies....reliving life in order to learn new lessons....

If this doesnt make sense, thats ok - it does to the ones its meant to make sense to...

From Jim Marrs rule by SECRECY.

page 379:

Sitchen's question was will founded. Rather than simply "giants," the Holman Bible Dictionary defines the Old Testament Nefilim as "ancient heroes who, according to most interpreters, are the products of sexual union of heavenly beings and human women"...

So we see some confirmation in a bible dictionary here. This had me remembering some of the Greek mythology I learned a couple of decades ago...

Genesis 6:4 (New International): "The Nefilim were on the earth in those days-and also afterward-when the sons of God went to the daughters of men and had children by them. The were the heroes of old, men of renown."

Hercules anyone? I don't know but this is very interesting to me. Hope you agree!

Originally posted by argentus
I'll see if I can acquire the book, and thanks for the nudge....

Funny that I wouldn't buy Stitchin's book, but wouldn't balk at Jim Marrs' take on the whole thing.

Amazon won't ship here; apparently this lil' Caribbean nation is far too seditious or something....... Do you know if it's offered as an online book?

Sounds like a perfectly plausible point to proceed from -- what you were talking about -- I think there's a lot of valid info that is lost through interpretation from various religious texts. I think things get interpreted sometimes in the manner in which the text resonates to the person translating it, and particularly when translating a phenomenon that is unfamiliar.

Back about 30 years ago when I was in college, I decided to read the Bible, highlight anything that strongly resonated as technology. Well. Pretty soon, the majority of what I'd read was more yellow highlighted than not.

It was eye-opening, and I hadn't even gotten to Eizekiel yet

Well, when it comes to Bible highlighting you and I could derail this thread in no time! I have actually come to believe that the god(s) of the old testament is / are either schizophrenic or different god(s). (Un)fortunately, this might help to confirm some of what we are considering in this thread. Glad you are adding to this friend!

I have a big problem with Sitchin.
He does something that I cannot abide -- he bends the evidence to fit his own agenda, instead of bending his theories to fit the evidence.

I actually agree with the ancient astronaut theory, but not in the way that Sitchin has put forward. In fact, I think he has done great damage to the area of study. He is so limited in how he interprets the mythology, and unfortunately, his interpretations have made their way into the collective understanding of Sumerian religion.

Originally posted by Krystian
Ive heard of Zach how ever never of his theory...

I will however say that to coincide with everyt other little coincedence....i think i may have downloaded soem data recently coinciding with his theory...

The "Gods" where simply a alien race....

Its all very very plausible, imagine living 6000 yrs ago, never seeing electricity - when all of a sudden an illumines object appears and teachs you agriculture and how to adequtliy survive - build a humanity...

My "downloaded" hunch also tells me that evolution was in fact real, however prior to even ancient sumeria there was genetic purification that was essentially installed and allowed to breed itself out as normal evolution would...then come the alien gods teaching the now someone logical and comprehending humans...this purification that installed into the human the its humab vs animal realm tendencies, logic, the compartment we call a soul so these beings can learn their lessons living through our bodies....reliving life in order to learn new lessons....

If this doesnt make sense, thats ok - it does to the ones its meant to make sense to...

There is evidence that the Sumerians actually did understand and utilize electric technology. If you haven't before, look up the "Baghdad Battery".

Thanks for the post!

Interesting post. Thank you.

I don’t have any argument with the possibility that alien astronauts have visited Earth or continue to visit Earth but I have a slight issue with "evolution."

If man evolved from some single-celled animal that was "miraculously" created out of the "primordial soup" then why or how does man have the ability to prophesize? Prophecy has been going on for thousands of years and I’m pretty sure everyone has the ability to “see” into the future to some extent – so how can man do that if we evolved out of some single-celled animal?

I’d almost prefer to think that technologically advanced beings come here to Earth to find out how/why we have such advanced capabilities.

Jim Marrs rule by SECRECY

page 379 continued:

A native of Russia, Sitchin was educated in Palestine and London, where graduated with a degree in economic history from the London School of Economics and Political Science. After a stint as a writer and editor for economic and historical journals, Sitchin relocated to New York City in 1948 and soon became a U.S. citizen. During his years of study, Sitchin became fluent in a number of languages, including ancient Egyptian, Hebrew, and Akkadian, a later form of Sumerian

Once again, we are not talking about some un(der)educated crackpot here.

Sitchin and others have simply taken the attitude that perhaps the ancient Sumerians were putting down... history as they understood it... the Sumerian descriptions of many ancient cities were believed fanciful stories until their ruins were discovered and excavated. Why not also consider their written history as reality?

Hmm, so we start from the supposition that all Sumerian history is myth, then we find some cities that are factual. Yet, the rest is still myth? Not too sure...