Freemasonry is unChristian

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posted on Apr, 6 2012 @ 11:58 PM
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reply to post by Fitzgibbon
 
Can you refute their evidence no. Allister Crowley was a mason and the father of modern satanism. Are You saying Dr. Jon Ankerberg is a liar.




posted on Apr, 7 2012 @ 12:44 AM
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Originally posted by getreadyalready
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So if I am a model Human, I give to charity, I never commit a crime, I do everything I can to be a good person ... but I reject your fairy tales... I go to hell?

This is my main argument with Christianity, and most Christains do not even realize this is the very definition of what makes them a "Christian"!

Jesus said, "I am the way, and the truth, and the light. No one gets to the Father, but through me."

Therefore, if Jesus is infallible, then he is excluding every other religion and condemning them to hell!

My own mother is a lifelong Christian, but she does not have an answer for this. She does not believe it to be true. She thinks all "good" people are going to heaven, but by definition, that makes her no longer a Christian!

I believe most American Christians are in fact "Deitists" which is very much in line with Masonic Philosophy.


I have a comment in regards to "The way, the truth and the life" and hope it will give a different view that is both for Masonry and Christianity. It is just a general comment and not directed at "getreadyalready".

Something that it seems very few Christians know or understand is the NAME of "Jesus". Christians pray, "IN THE NAME of Jesus", yet it appears most of them do not understand what they are saying.

The name, like all names, has a meaning and if the meaning where to be installed over the name "that it is in" then, perhaps Christians could begin to understand what the "good news" actually is.

The name Jesus is taken from Yeshua, which is to say Yah is salvation. Yah is translated, "self existent"/"I am". Shua is translated "Salvation". Put that together and you have the meaning of the name of Jesus, "In whose name we pray...Self existent Salvation".

SELF EXISTENT SALVATION....is the name. How does this differ from what Masons are teaching?
John 10:10
The thief cometh not, but for to steal, and to kill, and to destroy: I am come that they might have life, and that they might have it more abundantly.

Matthew 7:21
Not every one that saith unto me (the name), Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.

Jesus spoke to the people openly yet said,
Matthew 13:11
He answered and said unto them, Because it is given unto you to know the mysteries of the kingdom of heaven, but to them it is not given.

Does the above scripture differ from what the Masons hold dear, that the mysteries they hold are not given to outsiders?

I am not a mason, nor am I a christian, but I do seek to understand. I don't think you have to be either to understand that the name of Jesus applies to all.

Peace, ltru



posted on Apr, 7 2012 @ 12:56 AM
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Originally posted by KingPanzergrenadier
reply to post by hawkiye
 
Christianity un-Christ like? Are you an idiot! Apostle Paul said believers can judge unrighteousness. Christians must stand up against all evil and masonry is evil.

edit on 6-4-2012 by KingPanzergrenadier because: (no reason given)


No I am not an idiot but you might want to look in the mirror after an idiotic statement like that. Dubbing themselves with the moniker of Christian does not automatically equal being a follower of Christ!

Christianity does not follow the teachings of Christ. They follow a bunch of dogmatic non-sense that claims to be of Christ when it is not and then act all self righteous and think they are the chosen ones. Yet the scripture they try to lay claim to teach that God is no respecter of persons...



posted on Apr, 7 2012 @ 01:02 AM
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Originally posted by KingPanzergrenadier
Freemasonry is a criminal organization! Read what Alex Jones, Jeff Rense, and Texe Marrs have to say about Masonry. Dr. Jon Ankerberg did a wonderful Documentary on Masonry. Let God open your eyes don't reject the truth.


Ooook well that clears things up so now we all know this guy is just trollin... Thanks for wasting our time here.

/end of thread...



posted on Apr, 7 2012 @ 01:38 AM
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Whenever you see the truth you say scream troll. All those men like Alex Jones or Texe Marrs who show the evil of the elite are just liars. They are are great American patriots.



posted on Apr, 7 2012 @ 01:43 AM
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reply to post by hawkiye
 
Christianity follows the teaching of Christ recorded in Scripture. To say Christians follow man-made dogma and that Christianity is false is stupidity. You clearly know nothing of Biblical theology or church history.



posted on Apr, 7 2012 @ 02:27 AM
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Originally posted by KingPanzergrenadier
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How dare you call Christianity a form of evil! You Masons are occultists and have good confused with evil. I try not to hate you, just pray for you.


I'm not a mason haha, I am the first of my kind. you can not name me.



posted on Apr, 7 2012 @ 02:40 AM
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If freemasonry is so unchristian, then why do they have masons in the vatican?



posted on Apr, 7 2012 @ 02:42 AM
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Originally posted by KingPanzergrenadier
reply to post by hawkiye
 
Christianity follows the teaching of Christ recorded in Scripture. To say Christians follow man-made dogma and that Christianity is false is stupidity. You clearly know nothing of Biblical theology or church history.



Really ok lets see... So who is Christ and what are the teachings of Christ?



posted on Apr, 7 2012 @ 03:53 AM
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Oh wow, that surely puts me in my place. I know more about what I'm talking about than you do, that is for sure.

reply to post by KingPanzergrenadier
 

LOL, where in the First Degree ceremony do we say that all men worship the same god? Where in the Second Degree do we say all men go to Heaven?


The Bible teaches Jesus is the only way to heaven, through faith in him and not by works.

Actually the Bible teaches that one needs both faith and works. One would think such religious fanatics would actually attempt to gain a foothold and understanding of the Good Book, but no so many just parrot a few verses absent minded.

Maybe you forgot about the words given by James: "For as the body apart from the spirit is dead, so also faith apart from works is dead."

Nowhere in any of the ceremonies of Freemasonry have usurped or seek to usurp the religious authority of any religious institution or its doctrines.

If you actually read the 1st Degree Lecture, you'd see that Heaven via Jacob's Ladder is the goal that all good Masons seek to go, but nowhere in Freemasonry do we say that just by being a Mason does that occur. We do stress that it is through our faith and the blessings of God that we are allowed to enter the Kingdom of Heaven.

Freemasonry is not a religious institution nor makes us "serve two Masters".

reply to post by hawkiye
 

You do have a point here. Many fundamentalist, radical, or extremist Christians have taken Christ out of Christianity. Too many think that blind obedience to the words of men, who twist the Word of God for personal agendas, is "enlightenment". It is ignorance and immoral.

reply to post by KingPanzergrenadier
 

Is Yourmaker even a Mason? Or are you just apt to assumptions?

reply to post by KingPanzergrenadier
 

Those are your sources?! HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

....hang on one sec....

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA


reply to post by KingPanzergrenadier
 

Crowley was an irregular Mason and even in the bodies he was involved with he didn't climb the officer ladder. It was in the non-Masonic bodies that he made his mark in history.


Originally posted by KingPanzergrenadier
reply to post by hawkiye
 
Whenever you see the truth you say scream troll. All those men like Alex Jones or Texe Marrs who show the evil of the elite are just liars. They are are great American patriots.

They are just mouth pieces for Fear Inc. Truth is something alien to their words and minds.



posted on Apr, 7 2012 @ 04:44 AM
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Originally posted by KingPanzergrenadier
reply to post by Fitzgibbon
 
Allister Crowley was a mason and the father of modern satanism.


Neither of these claims are correct. Crowley's Masonry was illegitimate, and his "Satanism" was a ruse to annoy fundamentalists.


Are You saying Dr. Jon Ankerberg is a liar.


Liar is a strong word. I prefer wrong.



posted on Apr, 7 2012 @ 09:11 AM
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Great post.... Thank You!


My only point of contention with it is the personification or idolatry of that "person" Jesus. Self-salvation, and Jesus as a teacher of self-salvation is a wonderful concept, and I believe it is a great foundation for a religion such as Christianity, but the requirement that one absolutely must profess their allegiance to Jesus Christ or be doomed to hell (which I don't believe even exists) is where the religion goes wrong.

There are some very, very good things about the Christian Religion, the majority of my own beliefs come from the basis of Christianity, but I don't like signing a no-compete contract for anyone, not even Jesus! I want all the religions to be competitive, and let the individual pick and choose what to believe, not have it rammed down their throat with the threat of hellfire if they try to look any other direction.



posted on Apr, 7 2012 @ 01:03 PM
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Because the evil masonic lodge has taken in over the Catholic church. This happened when Napoleon a Freemason imprisoned the Pope.



posted on Apr, 7 2012 @ 01:06 PM
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Crowley was a 33degree Freemason and a real satanist. Read the book of the law which he wrote. Crowley murdered hundreds of children in satanic rituals.



posted on Apr, 7 2012 @ 01:18 PM
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Ephesians 2:8 For by grace you have been saved through faith, and that not of yourselves; it is a gift of God. We are saved by faith alone and not by faith plus works. All James is saying is that you cannot display your faith without works.



posted on Apr, 7 2012 @ 04:05 PM
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Crowley is said to have received the 33rd degree (which doesn't necessarily equate a rank) from Mexico which was not recognized then and the patent he received from Yarker was not recognized and Yarker was expelled from regular Masonry. It is fact that Crowley was never a recognized, regular Mason in any shape or form.

reply to post by KingPanzergrenadier
 

Ephesians doesn't negate what the Book of James said. You must have both and with a true follower they will happen concurrently. Again, you're pulling a Biblical quote out of context.



posted on Apr, 7 2012 @ 04:10 PM
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Originally posted by KingPanzergrenadier
Ephesians 2:8 For by grace you have been saved through faith, and that not of yourselves; it is a gift of God. We are saved by faith alone and not by faith plus works. All James is saying is that you cannot display your faith without works.
And yet, Revelations 20:12

And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.
A contradiction? In the Bible? What are the odds?



posted on Apr, 7 2012 @ 04:13 PM
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maybe it is antichrist to even know of it?

the language says civilizations have been tried before, the world will be destroyed and the meek will inherit the earth...

Earth what a great concept, one can look at it as heaven or hell sometime and also one can look to who is carrying the flame which was stolen from the gods. This battle could even beyond their understanding possibly?

I hate to break it to everyone but we are not the meek, some colony on some island may be somewhere?

to me I believe there is only one way off this rock and that is to accept Jesus Christ's truth into your heart because the battle may just begin all over again...

Repent Sinners! and go out and choose life, seek not the knowledge of the Gods and teach your children well...




posted on Apr, 7 2012 @ 07:11 PM
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Originally posted by getreadyalready
reply to post by letthereaderunderstand
 


Great post.... Thank You!


My only point of contention with it is the personification or idolatry of that "person" Jesus. Self-salvation, and Jesus as a teacher of self-salvation is a wonderful concept, and I believe it is a great foundation for a religion such as Christianity, but the requirement that one absolutely must profess their allegiance to Jesus Christ or be doomed to hell (which I don't believe even exists) is where the religion goes wrong.

There are some very, very good things about the Christian Religion, the majority of my own beliefs come from the basis of Christianity, but I don't like signing a no-compete contract for anyone, not even Jesus! I want all the religions to be competitive, and let the individual pick and choose what to believe, not have it rammed down their throat with the threat of hellfire if they try to look any other direction.


Thank you Getreadyalready.

I completely understand your point and that is what I was trying to make clear. Self Existent Salvation is the only salvation we can hold as TRUE. I'm not saying that we are the mighty god (whoever or whatever that be) but, that we are the one who acts out that salvation by sound choices and good faith in our actions to ourselves and to others.

Truth be told, no one knows of another life other then the one they are inhabiting. No one has been to the pearly gates or walked out of the lake of fire. We as people can be told "the secrets", given the "gospel", or shown the "path" and it makes no difference. This life IS the way, the TRUTH and the life. Jesus (the character) said himself "the kingdom of heaven is at hand". People of any religion waiting on another life (Heaven, Nirvana, Enlightenment, etc.) to fulfill the one they currently have are at a loss, always hoping a blind hope and having faith in a blind faith. Blind is blind no matter what good word is attached to it. If we are to believe in truth, a truth which shall set us free, then we should awaken in our time here and now and begin living. No one has come back from the dead and told anyone personally what is waiting for us and to say one knows otherwise is a lie.

The things Jesus taught were practical, applicable to anyone...do good, love one another, be peaceful, turn the other cheek. As far as I know the Masons are teaching the same things and if they aren't then that is on them.

Peace, Ltru



posted on Apr, 7 2012 @ 08:12 PM
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People of any religion waiting on another life (Heaven, Nirvana, Enlightenment, etc.) to fulfill the one they currently have are at a loss, always hoping a blind hope and having faith in a blind faith. Blind is blind no matter what good word is attached to it. If we are to believe in truth, a truth which shall set us free, then we should awaken in our time here and now and begin living.


I couldn't agree more, and this should be a religion all in itself! This life is all we have, and the best we can hope for is to evolve or transcend or become enlightened, but we have to do that through actions here and now! If there is nothing after this carnal existence, then we still need to live in the here and now! That is the secret of life. That is what everyone should be cherishing!


No one has come back from the dead and told anyone personally what is waiting for us and to say one knows otherwise is a lie.


Since it is afterall Easter Weekend, I will have to humbly disagree with this part!
While I am not a Christian myself, I do believe in miraculous events, I believe in Dragons, I believe in Giants, I believe every story told has some basis in truth, and I believe Jesus did rise after dying on the cross. Plus, even if I didn't believe it, I wouldn't discount it on Easter weekend, too many people do believe it.


For more of what anyway can believe in, I give you Don Williams...






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