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Soldier balks at deploying ; say's Obama isn't president

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posted on Jul, 15 2009 @ 10:12 PM
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Please everyone:

If you want to be taken seriously, please DO NOT quote World Net Daily.

It is a less than erudite, biased source. A tabloid site for shock value.

It denigrates the legitimacy of this form.

Thanks...KK

[edit on 16-7-2009 by kinda kurious]




posted on Jul, 15 2009 @ 11:27 PM
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reply to post by kinda kurious
 
I get it.
Please don't quote any site with which you disagree.

Or perhaps
"Kill the messenger, defeat the message."
"If you can't beat them, destroy their credibility."

Poo poo on WND so that you can conveniently avoid addressing the merits of the information conveyed in the quote. BRILLIANT!

How about you debate the legitimacy of what the quote claims: that the Department of Defense pressured Simtech, Inc. to fire Stefan Frederick Cook.

And if found to be true, make your argument as to how WND's involvement in its reporting detracts from this truth.



posted on Jul, 15 2009 @ 11:36 PM
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WND is not a site people disagree with. It is a site that disagrees with reality. Just like Faux News. Only racist bigoted ignoramuses, er, republicans use WND and Faux News since those are the only places that regards the facts and truth as liberal hogwash.



posted on Jul, 15 2009 @ 11:46 PM
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Originally posted by GingerR
Only racist bigoted ignoramuses, er, republicans use WND and Faux News since those are the only places that regards the facts and truth as liberal hogwash.


Ahh, so neither are liberal enough. WND does tend to go off the deep end frequently, but Fox is just about the only news source that doesn't try to kiss Obama's butt on a daily basis. That in itself makes them a bit more closely tied to reality than MSNBC and CNN. Dismissing a news source because it isn't liberal enough is just asinine.



posted on Jul, 16 2009 @ 12:06 AM
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No, Faux News is the only one that labels pedophile Republican Senators ars Democrats. Faux News is the only one who still claims Obama is a Secret Muslim. Faux News is the only one who dismisses Cheney telling the CIA keep stuff secret from congress as more evil liberal hogwash.

By the way, Rupert Murdoch the guy who owns Faux News, said this about the truth. "The truth is Liberal" Gee, does that mean that lies are Conservative?



posted on Jul, 16 2009 @ 12:37 AM
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Originally posted by kettlebellysmith
reply to post by andy1033
 
I'm not sure where you are from, but you are treading in dangerous waters. WE were attacked! We responded. If you don't like the USA then, don't log on to these threads. I will state categorically that we probably shouldn't have gone into Iraq, but Saddam boasted he had weapons of mass destruction, and was ready to use them. He literally let his ego write checks his body couldn't cash. Bin Laden is in Afghanistan, but they refused to turn him over to us. We did what anyone with any sense of honor would do. We went after him. Perhaps the tactics were wrong. (I would have started with special ops). But anyone with any honor seeks to bring to justice someone who has broken the law. If we had not, I would have renounced my citizenship and found a country were honor is respected.




And good thing we got Bin Laden and aren't at war in two countries where he isn't, right? Hard to lay a pipeline through a terrorist organization, right, forgot.



posted on Jul, 16 2009 @ 03:35 AM
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reply to post by Jenna
 
Jenna, you deserve multiple stars for that observation. I find that Fox simply reports the news. O'Reilly, Beck, Hannity aren't, by their on admission, reporters. They are commentators, observers if you will, that give their opinion on the news. If you don't agree with them, fine, they can handle it, or people can change the channel.
Fox, as far as I know, was the first to report this. I heard it from Shepherd Smith just before coming to work.



posted on Jul, 16 2009 @ 03:46 AM
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reply to post by '___'eviant
 
You are obviously a person without honor who believes one should not defend one's homeland when attacked. bin Laden took credit for 9/11. Either he's telling the truth, or he let his ego write a check his body can't cash. If he is alive, he will be found.
Laying pipeline for oil? Okay, you want to keep driving, eating, and wearing clothes, we are gonna need oil. I haven't heard of any plans to lay a pipline through Afghanistan, and if it could have been done the Russians would have done it.
We have not had a further attack, though several have been thwarted over the last 7 years. I am a follower of Bushido and live my life with honor. Can you say the same?



posted on Jul, 16 2009 @ 04:04 AM
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Originally posted by kettlebellysmith
reply to post by '___'eviant
 
You are obviously a person without honor who believes one should not defend one's homeland when attacked.


Iraq attacked us? When?

Also, Faux News isn't news! When REPUBLICAN Marck Foley had his ten year kiddie raping exposed what did Faux do? labeled him a Democrat. Guess what? They STILL call Obama a Muslim. Then blast him for going to a "crazy Christian church".

Also, star for Jenna

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posted on Jul, 16 2009 @ 05:22 AM
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Iraq didn't attack us, he didn't say Iraq attacked us. You know what he meant from his statement (If you bothered reading the entire thing). Bin Laden admitted to attacking the US. Have so many people forgotten already? Who knows? When 9/11 is brought up people don't think about who did it, or how many people died.. they think CONSPIRACY! That is a whole other topic. Anyway. People keep asking who are we fighting? Terrorist/insurgent groups. Google anything about the JTJ or AQI. There are a lot of terrorist groups in Iraq, that ARE NOT Iraqi citizens, but are foreign fighters coming to Iraq with the intention of killing American soldiers. Why are we in Afghanistan? Bin Laden and his TERRORIST group are in Afghanistan, well base most operations from Afghanistan. Who knows, maybe Bin Laden is in Pakistan? The whole point is to get rid of the terrorist group who attacked the US. Why is that so hard to understand, or accept? We won't be in Iraq much longer, besides the Iraqi army and security forces are involved in most everything we do in Iraq now. Why leave Iraq now, when it is unstable? Currently our military is focusing on making the ISF (Iraqi Security Force) stronger so they can stop the attacks that occur, whether it be on Americans or Iraqis. I'm sorry but I don't know anyone who joined the military without an honest and good intention. Now that it is cleared up who we are fighting, and our purpose in those countries, can we focus on the real topic of this thread? I don't care if you believe a word I say, or if you say I'm "blind". I'm not. I'm in the Army and anyone in the Army knows WHO we are fighting and WHAT our mission is.

On topic, I'm with everyone else who believes this Major got cold feet. Maybe these officers do feel that Obama isn't legit. He is the Commander in Chief and he should be respected as such.



posted on Jul, 16 2009 @ 05:33 AM
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I was not speaking of Iraq. I was speaking of Afghanistan. We requested they turn bin Laden over to us and they refused.
Saddam kept bragging he had weapons of mass destruction, and he was prepared to use them. (He did use them against his own people.) There was also reason to believe Al-quada was training in Irag. (It was later proven they were.) I personally do not want to see my country attacked again, and I am in favor of doing whatever it takes to see to it that it doesn't happen. It is better to die free than to live as a slave.
I have never heard any of the Fox staff refer to Obama as a Muslim. I do have a problem with his attendence at Jerimiah Wright's church, and saying he never heard any of these sermons. Wright's church teaches Liberation Theology, which is basically the socialist agenda Obama is following now, in an effort to bring the country to it's knees. So Obama is either lying, or he slept through most of the Sermons.


[edit on 16-7-2009 by kettlebellysmith]



posted on Jul, 16 2009 @ 08:00 AM
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Originally posted by GingerR
reply to post by Jenna
 
By the way, Rupert Murdoch the guy who owns Faux News, said this about the truth. "The truth is Liberal" Gee, does that mean that lies are Conservative?
How ironic.
A liberal uses a quote where the word "liberal" is used to mean "manipulated to fit the opinion that best suits your needs." to defend liberalism.
BRILLIANT!



posted on Jul, 16 2009 @ 08:00 AM
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This is what I mean about WND slant.....................................

Pray for Obama to Fail Poll


Do you think we should pray for Obama's failure as president? (7496 votes)

Yes, but also implore God's protection for our nation while Obama personally goes down to defeat 36% (2688)



I rest my case.


[edit on 16-7-2009 by kinda kurious]



posted on Jul, 16 2009 @ 08:19 AM
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reply to post by kinda kurious
 

Now there is some funny stuff!
However, how different is that than if WND's poll question was "Should we lobby congress to defeat bills X, Y and Z.?"
They have only replaced lobbying congress with divine intervention.
How different is that than a poll for lets say "Should we impeach bush?"
Should we dismiss that out of hand because a W lover says it's obviously a far left loon who wants to hijack America?


Anyway, you have skipped two important steps.
You have yet to vet the claims of the quote.
And then you need to show how your evidence of WND being weird detracts from the truthfulness of a quote/claim made by a third party.
You close your case too soon.


Speaking of hijacking, we may be in danger of hijacking this thread.





[edit on 16-7-2009 by GuyverUnit I]



posted on Jul, 16 2009 @ 08:59 AM
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How about this:


No, we should pray for God's blessing and protection in spite of any harmful presidential agenda 13% (1010)


You see what you want to see. So what, they posted a poll. And you should know that there will be a variety of possible responses. The one I show was 2nd. Do you agree with the 1000 above? I'd day your beef is with the 2000+ people who chose the reposnse you posted.

Enough of this garbage.



posted on Jul, 16 2009 @ 09:13 AM
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OK, now back to part of the OP. The owners of Simtech, a family owned company, has given a statement quoted by several sources that the DoD contacted him and forced him to fire this man for questioning the validity of the man in office. So I guess this means if any of us dare to disagree with the validity of the man in office from now on and we happen to file a legal suit to get answers, we will be fair game for a government agency to tell your employer to fire you. Geeeee, that makes so much sense to those on the left. How dare you even try to use the legal system to get answers and besmirch our 'Fearless leaders" name!

Zindo



posted on Jul, 16 2009 @ 09:37 AM
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Originally posted by ZindoDoone
The owners of Simtech, a family owned company, has given a statement quoted by several sources that the DoD contacted him and forced him to fire this man for questioning the validity of the man in office.


Seems like that would be illegal.. If his state is an at-will state though there may not be anything he can do about it. At the very least it's highly unethical.

I get a little bit more worried about our country every day.



posted on Jul, 16 2009 @ 10:41 AM
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Originally posted by Dragonsbreaths

Originally posted by Office 4256
I'll try to make this very clear - as the law (federal) stands; no candidate is required to PUBLICLY PUBLISH a long form, short form, or any other type of birth certificate. When a candidate files to run for office, he/she submits various documentation and the "authorities having jurisdiction" of the federal elections process approve or disapprove. No candidate is required to put his CV on the internet, New York Times or Townhall magazine. Obama may have been born on Pluto, but he is not LEGALLY required to prove it to YOU! As a famous fictional attorney once said:"The law isn't about fairness or justice, it's about the law". You may not like it, but it is the truth.


Not exactly true. They have to prove they qualify. The fact the media shoved him down everyone's throat does not mean he is qualified. People who ask for it are not racists just because they expect him to obey the laws. No matter what the media and left say.
Everyone who enlists in any branch of the service has to provide a long form birth certificate, it does not matter if you are white, black, yellow or brown. Since he is the commander in chief he should have to show the same information everyone else does. So hopefully after this more officers and enlisted men will do the same thing. If enough of them question it something has to give. After all they are not asking for anything they have been asked for.


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[edit on 16-7-2009 by Office 4256]



posted on Jul, 16 2009 @ 10:47 AM
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Originally posted by Tank2/8
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we go around killing innocent people??!!

Not that there has not been civilian casualies, there is in any war. Do you have any idea the kind of people we are dealing with?! Do you have any idea what one of these "innocent" people would do to YOU if they had the chance?! [SNIP]



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Believe me, I understand your anger. The person who made that claim is most likely one of the extremists who believe that war should not exist. Well, I believe it shouldn't but am a realist and understand WHY it exists.

However, maybe they were speaking more to the recent 'wars' that I also believe were illigitimate. Those 'innocents' that have died have died for no reason other than GREED. Maybe, and it's a big maybe, that is what they were refering to. I hope so because it would be ignorant to believe otherwise.

As for the officers idea of illigitimacy for the president, well, until the courts or some supreme authority states otherwise, Obama IS our president and this person is in BIG trouble. Period.



posted on Jul, 16 2009 @ 12:41 PM
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He is Reserve
He volunteered for a tour

The requirements for a reserve member who volunteered for a tour to have the order revoked are the following:

Say i don't wanna.

Major Cook was able to meet these requirements.
Adding "Also Obama is a vampire" to "I don't Wanna" doesn't make evidence.

Now: He volunteered 2 months ago, and while he is entitled to saying "I don't wanna" I find it hard to believe that he did not know about Obama being a vampire back then.

According to Taitz (who claims having the orders for a reserve volunteer revoked is a victory) (remember: It requires saying "I dont wanna") his employer didn't think it was funny.



Grice made clear that it was Defense Security Services that had compelled Simtech to fire Cook, Taitz wrote. According to the report, Grice told Cook "there was some gossip that 'people were disappointed in' the plaintiff because they thought he was manipulating his deployment orders to create a platform for political purposes."


I'd not say that was gossip. he pretty clearly did so.



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