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posted on May, 7 2004 @ 09:15 PM
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I am looking to start taking a martial art that is all about fighting, grappling, and sparring. I dont want all the forms, and katas, pinans...

so does anyone know a good fighting martial art? thanks




posted on May, 7 2004 @ 09:20 PM
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Jujitsu is a good martial arts for that, thier grappling is some of the most effective techniques in the world. Check out the Gracie's, a Brazillian family that put that style on the map.

www.gracieacademy.com...



posted on May, 7 2004 @ 11:21 PM
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Jujitsu, Judo, Sambo (russian wrestling/fighting) umm... I cant think of anythin else. But I think you should take capoeira, it's the #. It's not that great for straight up fighting, but its soooo fun.



posted on May, 9 2004 @ 05:34 PM
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thanks, i was looking at the jui justu videos, and that seems to be what i am looking for, for the most part... i will check out the other styles too, thanks both of you!



posted on May, 9 2004 @ 07:38 PM
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the more i think about it all, the more i realize that jui jutsu isnt the right one... i was looking at jujitsu, jui jutsu, ninjitsu, brazalian ju jitsu, and aiki jujitsu, and they all seem to be more rolling around on the floor, and pinning the opponent.

I am looking for a style that would be effective against most "normal" street confrontations.

I think it would be beneficial to just be able to take out my opponent like it was nothing.

*someone starts with me* and then just calmly and easily *BAM*BAM*BAM* im on top, hes on the ground dazed, and i can walk away unscathed. That type of scenerio.



posted on May, 9 2004 @ 10:27 PM
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Well you can do that with any martial art, really. It seems to me that you just want to learn how to kick ass, without the forms and culture... Take boxing, lol. I really don't know what else there is that is straight up fighting. A rape agression defense class maybe? LoL jk. But really, maybe boxing. Just f the guy up.



posted on May, 9 2004 @ 10:55 PM
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Boxing would probably be the best choice for you.

Or else : kick boxing or some muai thai. Those are really effective too.

If it's for street confrontation, I wouldn't use grappling or pinning technic. Just stay as far as you can from the guy, you never know, he might have a blade in his pocket.

Don't bring him to the ground, just wait that he fall him self.



posted on May, 10 2004 @ 09:15 AM
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Many old kung fu movies are built on that fallacy of this system or that being better.
The person who wins is the one who applies their style the best.
You fight in distances ( kicking distance, punching distance, grappling distance, floor ). You need to know all.
I've trained in Okinawan & Korean styles, but my fave from a practical point of view has been Escrima. It's Filipino & is also called Arnis or Kali.
We're talking whole "sections" dedicated to trapping, biting, head butting, elbow/knee/shin strikes.
Can't get more street than that.



posted on May, 10 2004 @ 04:19 PM
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Originally posted by Demonic Aura
I am looking for a style that would be effective against most "normal" street confrontations.

I think it would be beneficial to just be able to take out my opponent like it was nothing.

*someone starts with me* and then just calmly and easily *BAM*BAM*BAM* im on top, hes on the ground dazed, and i can walk away unscathed. That type of scenerio.


Krav Maga is the thing for you. Have been practising it for a while now and i can tell you it is really effective and realistic.
Check it out.



posted on May, 10 2004 @ 04:31 PM
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Aikido....based on you description. Nuff said!



posted on May, 10 2004 @ 05:10 PM
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aikido is way too circular. It is almost as if they show off while fighting. I would like something more direct, and effictive.

i will check out Krav Maga, havent researched that one yet. as for boxing... i dont have the time to take any classes at the moment, but am looking to pick up a book, and learn a little from that.

I am currently a black belt 1st dan in Shaolin Kempo, but me and a friend (who is brown belt) will get the book, and practice and develop the other techniques between ourselves, and then go out and test them. then practice and develop some more, and apply them again...

i am open to all suggestions, thanks everyone so far.



posted on May, 10 2004 @ 06:26 PM
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learn a bit of one style and mix it with another that way you can confues your enemy
and have the best of all the arts !
mix some aikido with some taikwan do and add some ju jistui in there



posted on May, 10 2004 @ 06:27 PM
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oh and look at this site first martioal arts



posted on May, 11 2004 @ 07:03 PM
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Other than the sparring part, Tae Kwon Do might not be what you're looking for. However, I took it for years and loved it. My son has now been in for a year. Also, if you're interested in competition, TKD is great for that. The olympics really helped with that, I think.

Good schools are easy to find and if they are connected with a larger organization (like ATA) they are usually run pretty well.



posted on May, 11 2004 @ 07:40 PM
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C.W. 'su well i have never taken any formal training for fighting, but have, nonetheless found myself in situations upon where i had to conduct myself with style.

i have had friends that trained in akido and hopkido (sp? for these two?) and they helped me to develop style along with a love of boxing. i an currently retired from brawling. one click could not take me so they struck me with a metal pole. i have little recollection of said situation, but my cousin, who is female, told me about what happened she is the one who accompanied me that night. two days later i went to the doctor for a peculiar numbness; he instructed me to go to the ER. so i did and i had a non-displaced facial fracture. it is not fully healed. so i am currenlty retired.

it does not matter how good you are or what style you use, cuz you can get blindsided by a pole or a bullet


peace




[Edited on 5/11/2004 by panchovilla]



posted on May, 11 2004 @ 08:55 PM
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Originally posted by Demonic Aura
aikido is way too circular. It is almost as if they show off while fighting. I would like something more direct, and effictive.

Depends on the practitioner and the style. In this case, the style could be referred to as new style or old style. New style would be more passive (waiting for attack), flashy, and with a wrist or arm lock to pin said attacker.

Old style would be more direct, generally forcing said attacker to react (putting a hand up in front someone's face forces then to slap or grab the hand), and then the movement, while circular, is fast, more brutal, and usually ends in a disabling break.

As much as people hate him, Steven Segal demonstrates a more brutal version (old style) of this martial art.

Now, you have added to your description and it seems you want a more Vale Tudo (Brazilian for "Anything Goes") style of martial art. A mix or hybid if your will. There are many out there, but if it's effectiveness you want...especially versus all comers. Then I definately suggest you look at what has been proven to work, Brazilian Ju-jitsu.

Time and again, practitioners of this form have taken all comers and won.

Royces reputable career as a fighter began in 1993 after defeating three opponents in the first Ultimate Fighting Championship. His brother Rorion came up with this innovative challenge as a way to show Gracie Jiu-Jitsu to the world. Discipline after discipline was defeated by the slight 61, 180 pound Royce Gracie. His opponents consistently outweighed him by more than 50 pounds. He went on to win 3 UFC titles and today is the only man in the history of no holds barred matches to successfully defeat four opponents in one night. Royce is still very active in the fight world with most recent fights in the PRIDE Grand Prix held in Japan in 2000. Royces success has opened the eyes of many disbelievers to the importance of leverage and technique in grappling.



posted on May, 11 2004 @ 09:53 PM
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Zedd is right on the money with his description of Aikido. Demonstrations you have seen that look effortless on the part of the defender need to be taken in context. The attacker(s) was/were probably also practitioners of Aikido and knew exactly how to react to the holds and throws used against their attacks, thus avoiding serious injury. The untrained foe would not fare so well, especially on a paved parking lot instead of a padded mat! Almost everyone in our dojo started off in some other style of training and picked up techniques other than Aikido to use in class as a result. I started in TKD and Karate. In more advanced Aikido training the emphasis was on freely flowing defense against a variety of attacks, both armed and unarmed, and against multiple attackers. That is one situation where chokes and submission holds don't have a lot of value, so you had better have a good grasp of tactics, basic punches and kicks, and throws.

Although it is based partly on Aiki Jujutsu, Aikido is also a philosophy of harmony with the ultimate goal being defense against an attacker who has lethal force in mind without the use of lethal force yourself.

Like any martial art, you get out of it what you put into it. We trained hard in Aikido. I have had my fair share of broken bones, sprains and strains, etc. from lapses in concentration and outright mistakes. I have also had, unfortunately, reasons to act in defense of myself and others and my training did not fail me.

The long and short of my advice is this: try many different styles, develop a basic skill set, focus on one that suits your personality and body type, then train hard.

Best of luck to you.



posted on May, 11 2004 @ 09:59 PM
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I'm gonna say capoeira again, lol. Nothing confuses an opponent more than the crazy dance-like main stance that we have (called ginga). They either think you're drunk or crazy, and don't know what to do. And if you're really cocky you can do some cartwheels and be really tricky and sly and confuse the crap out of your opponent, then throw a kick in and have him down before he knows whats going on.

But really, I'm only doing this as a shameless plug for capoeira. It's really not as good as other martial arts for straight up street fighting.



posted on May, 14 2004 @ 08:35 AM
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Well You Have To Really Look At What You Want To Be
Able To Do, Defend Or Attack?

Karate Is A Defensive Form Of Martial Arts And Akido Is
All About Attack...

Akido
A Japanese art of self-defense that employs holds and
locks and that uses the principles of nonresistance in
order to debilitate the strength of the opponent.

Karate
A Japanese art of self-defense in which sharp blows and
kicks are administered to pressure-sensitive points on
the body of an opponent Etc...

There All All Sorts Of Martial Arts And You Have To Pick
Which Style Is For You, I Did 8 Years Of Tang Soo Doo,
Which Is The Original Style Of Karate Not The Messed
Up Stuff That People Are Learnin Today...



posted on May, 14 2004 @ 10:07 AM
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Originally posted by The Black Death
Karate Is A Defensive Form Of Martial Arts And Akido Is
All About Attack...

Actually you are quite wrong. While it is true that the goal of all martial arts is defensive in nature, karate is a hard style and incorporates a belief about first strike and ending possible conflict quickly.

Aikido comes into play after an attack, and uses the attacker's own strength and momentum against them. There are no first strikes in aikido. It is completely a defensive form.




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