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Originally posted by ChrisF231
This has LONG been a problem in the Russian military and IMO it goes along way towards furthering the belief that Russia's military sucks. They need to enter the 21st century already and stop treating their troops like cannon fodder. It's time for Russia to professionalize it's military, create a real NCO corps (the backbone of any fighting force), increase the pay and living conditions, etc.
Originally posted by ChrisF231
The Russian Army is so great that they lost 240 out of 260 tanks assigned to one division in Grozny in a SINGLE DAY in 1994.
Originally posted by ChrisF231
They are so brilliant they couldent figure out the obvious that you don't send tanks and APCs into a city without dismounted infantry support.
Their only tactic was to send endless tanks and APCs on zerg rushes into central Grozny
Originally posted by ChrisF231
Entire "elite" Spetznaz units deserted to the Chechen rebels.
Originally posted by PokeyJoe
That does nothing to "harden" you, all it does is train you like a little abused puppy dog. You do know know when you are going to be beaten for no reason. That is no way to battle harden or discipline new troops....we Americans have better ways to achieve discipline and training for new recruits.
Originally posted by Dimitri Dzengalshlevi
Originally posted by Zosynspiracy
Harden your body? WTF! This is the 21st century. Soldiers have body armor and assault rifles. Obviously you nor the Russians know ANYTHING about modern combat.
Is that supposed to be a joke or something? Like I posted on this site before, it is this type of ignorance that dominates the American military philosophy. You keep believing that wars are fought by guns and armour, and the rest of the world will believe that wars are won by spirit and honour.
No wonder the "supreme" American army is deadlocked with ragtag insurgencies.
Originally posted by Nassim Haramein
Who cares? Are they forced to be there? They signed up for that....
If they don't like it.....They can quit.
Originally posted by an1mal
Any UK or US military that would like to comment on this, I cant say that that is conditioning. Its abuse.
Originally posted by Bearack
ROFL......Um, Russia (or, the USSR ATT) had their butts handed to them by the Mujahideen and are still getting their ass handed to them by the Chechens. They even took quite a ponding from a tiny army in Georgia. If the numbers would have been equal and not a 100 to 1 ratio, I honeslty think the Georgians would have handed Russia their butts to them as well.
Originally posted by h3akalee
That's not abuse that's character building.
Weeding out is a necessity in any armed force it's just the method that is different.
The Russian method is to beat the crap out of recruits and it work's so why moan about it ?
You would moan more if you were in a combat situation and your fellow soldier's started to run away.
To be a soldier you need a certain mentality there is no way to sugar coat a killing machine so why try too ?
Take care.
Regards
Lee
[edit on 22-7-2009 by h3akalee]