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reply posted on 14-7-2009 @ 04:10 PM by Zosynspiracy
reply to post by _Phoenix_


I mean to say 5' LOL.

Those "soldiers" look like kids. All those fancy kicks? HAHA!
www.youtube.com...


reply posted on 14-7-2009 @ 04:11 PM by Retikx
reply to post by Zosynspiracy





You watch too many movies. Hand to hand close quarters still exists.. lol i love that statement tho.. "pfft dont bother toughening them up comrade, just give em some body armor and the Kalashnikov and the mother land will be safe".

SO naive.

[edit on 14-7-2009 by Retikx]


reply posted on 14-7-2009 @ 04:14 PM by Zosynspiracy
Originally posted by Retikx
reply to post by Zosynspiracy





You watch too many movies. Hand to hand close quarters still exists.. lol i love that statement tho.. "pfft dont bother toughening them up comrade, just give em some body armor and the Kalashnikov and the mother land will be safe".

SO naive.

[edit on 14-7-2009 by Retikx]


I never said close quarters combat doesn't exist. But it's not nearly as important as it was in WWII or even the Vietnam war. But to your point smart arse.............the US trains its soldiers MUCH different for hand to hand combat............what you see in that video is worthless and a bunch of stupid kids beating up other stupid kids. You think US Marines go around practicing kung fu kicks on each other? LOL. WOW! I'm naive? Plus if anyone goes hand to hand chances are a knife or some other object would be used.



reply posted on 14-7-2009 @ 04:15 PM by _Phoenix_
Originally posted by Zosynspiracy
reply to post by _Phoenix_


I mean to say 5' LOL.

Those "soldiers" look like kids. All those fancy kicks? HAHA!
www.youtube.com...

Oh lol.

But even so, knowing how to use a gun should be a priority right? I doubt they will have that many hand to hand combats in a war zone.


reply posted on 14-7-2009 @ 04:22 PM by Retikx
reply to post by Zosynspiracy


Really? You don't think marines do this kind of stuff to each other!? haaaahaahaha ho ho heee hahahaha. You need to make some friends from the core. They will tell you different.


reply posted on 14-7-2009 @ 04:28 PM by Zosynspiracy
reply to post by Retikx


www.youtube.com...
www.veearnisjitsu.com
www.defenseinstitue.com

Umm I know how to fight and I know self defense. What you see in those videos is bunk. It's silly. I've trained in martial arts for a long time and have trained under the guy in the video (David James). I've trained with the Marines and Special Forces based out of Colorado Springs, CO. They come to a local school where I trained because what they learn is not very realistic compared to what we were teaching in our school. The "Corps" focuses a lot on ground fighting and grappling which is not the most realistic scenario in a real live combat self defense scenario. You're not going to roll around on the ground with your enemy, especially in an urban enviroment. BJJ is pretty ineffective in a self defense situation. It's a fighting art not a self defense system. There's a difference.


reply posted on 14-7-2009 @ 04:31 PM by Retikx
reply to post by Zosynspiracy


Whaaatever you say man. You go ahead and rely solely on theory and adrenaline.


reply posted on 14-7-2009 @ 04:31 PM by jd140
Originally posted by Zosynspiracy
Originally posted by Retikx
reply to post by Zosynspiracy





You watch too many movies. Hand to hand close quarters still exists.. lol i love that statement tho.. "pfft dont bother toughening them up comrade, just give em some body armor and the Kalashnikov and the mother land will be safe".

SO naive.

[edit on 14-7-2009 by Retikx]


I never said close quarters combat doesn't exist. But it's not nearly as important as it was in WWII or even the Vietnam war. But to your point smart arse.............the US trains its soldiers MUCH different for hand to hand combat............what you see in that video is worthless and a bunch of stupid kids beating up other stupid kids. You think US Marines go around practicing kung fu kicks on each other? LOL. WOW! I'm naive? Plus if anyone goes hand to hand chances are a knife or some other object would be used.


The US military uses Jujitsu.

The reason we use this form of martial arts is because for the most part its nothing but submissions and that makes it less lethal then others.

And yes we practice kicks, submissions, chokes and other strikes on each other. I have been in units where every other day we practiced jujitsu.

We had a game in the barracks where we would sneak up on each other and grab someone in a submission or choke. The game went on until there was only one left. If you got caught we had bandanas we tied around our arm while in the baracks. That would let others know you were out.

We used to beat the hell out of each other trying to get a submission hold.





[edit on 14-7-2009 by jd140]



reply posted on 14-7-2009 @ 04:44 PM by Zosynspiracy
reply to post by jd140


Jiujitsu is an art and a submission art at that. It's not a self defense system. Most people who teach it do not teach it in a way that it's effective. You're not going to try to put a choke on someone that is twice your size or if you have to take on two opponents at once. Those are real life self defense situations that I'm talking about. Why do you think there are weight classes in UFC? There are no weight classes in real life. Some takes you to the ground and tries to put a lock on you, hammer them in their groin, gouge their eyes, bite the crap out of their leg/arm etc. Most martial arts don't teach you how to defend yourself, only how to fight.


If you think this is realistic you're crazy!
www.youtube.com...


reply posted on 14-7-2009 @ 11:43 PM by jd140
Originally posted by Zosynspiracy
reply to post by jd140


Jiujitsu is an art and a submission art at that. It's not a self defense system. Most people who teach it do not teach it in a way that it's effective. You're not going to try to put a choke on someone that is twice your size or if you have to take on two opponents at once. Those are real life self defense situations that I'm talking about. Why do you think there are weight classes in UFC? There are no weight classes in real life. Some takes you to the ground and tries to put a lock on you, hammer them in their groin, gouge their eyes, bite the crap out of their leg/arm etc. Most martial arts don't teach you how to defend yourself, only how to fight.


If you think this is realistic you're crazy!
www.youtube.com...


UFC has weight divisions because Dana White took over. Try watching the UFC when Royce Gracie was the king of the octagon.

No weight categories, no rules, no rounds or time limit.

Royce Gracie weighing a around 170-180 was soundly beating bigger stronger fighters. Some of them had over a hundred pounds on him.

I really don't care how good you are at whatever it is you do. You're not going to impress me with how well you think you can fight. It has been my expieriance that the more somebody talks themselves up the bigger the lie. I personelly think you watch to much UFC shows on spike tv.


reply posted on 15-7-2009 @ 01:17 PM by PokeyJoe
reply to post by jd140


Exactly! The Gracies invented the UFC to show that they could beat anyone, any size using their brand of BJJ. Gracie used to win every tournament against guys much much bigger than him. Technique can overcome size and strength every time. Now a guy with size and strength, with technique is hard to beat, i.e. Brock Lesnar.


reply posted on 15-7-2009 @ 05:31 PM by Zosynspiracy
reply to post by Dimitri Dzengalshlevi


You Russians can keep beating the crap out of your young recruits while our soldiers actually do something constructive. I'd love for you to ask the average soldier in Afghanistan or Iraq when the last time they were ever in a hand to hand combat situation that didn't involve a weapon? LOL. You're clueless dude! I never said hand to hand combat was useless but when you can call in air support chances of getting close enough to the enemy to throw a punch is pretty rare.
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