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Communist ideals in children's movies

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posted on Jul, 14 2009 @ 02:08 AM
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Perhaps some of you have noticed that in a lot of children's movies recently that there has been the underlying theme of the communist ideals. I have seen some of the older communist propaganda films and there are similarities in the underlying messages behind the entertainment of the movie.

For example, "A Bee Movie," well, i don't really believe that I have to say much about it, but anyway. Communism in its purest form, works like a collective hive. Everyone does there job. They almost glamorize the whole "job assignment" aspect of the hive, and how everyone doing their job is what makes everything work. Almost as if life itself were a machine, and the bees are simply parts of this machine. Not a bad message, to a degree, however, this was a major theme behind the communist propaganda films. That and how everyone is equal/the same.

Another movie is "Antz" Again with the hive/colony theme. Showing kids about how life is, and (in their eyes) should be. There have been a lot of insect movies lately, and all of them having similar themes behind them, not so upfront, but almost subliminally, that this is how life should be. communism. Are they slipping these ideals into our children's movies to prepare them for what life is going to be like by the time they reach adulthood? It's growing more and more obvious that we are moving towards social fascism, and it seems like they are teaching our kids that what they are seeing in a lot of the movies coming out aimed towards them, how life should be. glamorizing these lifestyles of the worker bees, and the ants, and who knows what else they will be putting forth.

I miss the older days when they used to make us read "Animal Farm" and "1984" warning us of communism, not encouraging it in our youth.

Perhaps i have just been reading too deeply into this, but, i don't know. It is spreading more and more. MTv always encouraging our youth to vote, yet democratic nominees get more air time, Rolling Stone magazine, constantly bashing the republican party, and calling constitutionalists "crazy right wing idealists" and "money hungry coporate fascists" (though they know not how to even correctly portray even those who falsely claim to be a republican) So it has been evident that they are poisoning our youth into a one sided political party, drifting further and further left. Just a reminder, that the PC term for the communist party in the 50's was the "intellectual left."


"democracy is communism in its infantile state"




posted on Jul, 14 2009 @ 02:23 AM
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I think you are indeed reading too deeply into this


I'm not sure if anyone has noticed, but when you're in traffic of a morning, and everyone is going to work madly, they all seem like ants and bees too, and that's in our capitalist society.

At least in capitalism, you may be able to own a car to sleep in if you lose your job and house.

I suppose we need to ask, do the ants and bees own the means of production in these movies?

Ants and bees have queens... Maybe it's a plot to bring back monarchies.

"Animal Farm"... I can't comment on that, I wasn't born yet. But why do need to be "warned" about communism these days?

It's all terrorism and swine flu, from what I can tell.

And yes, the democrats are in in the US. It's a two party system - as far as I'm aware, that's democracy. And when the republicans are in, it's also democracy. If the democrats and other centre-left parties of the world are more popular with the youth, then obviously they want some progression on things such same sex marriage (which I may add, you would be hung for in many former communist countries).

I think McCarthyism has had its day by now... I don't see any reds under my bed.



posted on Jul, 14 2009 @ 02:32 AM
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To the contrary, our fore fathers had created a republic, not a democracy. To quote Thomas Jefferson, "Democracy is mob rule, where 51 can take away the rights of the other 49." Also, (i believe it was Benjamin Franklyn) "Democracy is like two wolves and a sheep, arguing over what's for dinner."

But as far as the ideals in the movies, I guess you would have to watch some of the communist propaganda films from the 50's to the 80's to really kinda understand it, and see how it really parallels it all.



posted on Jul, 14 2009 @ 02:39 AM
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I get this reaction every time on ATS when I refer to America as a democracy


"It's a republic!" I still don't get it... Republic to me means an independent, self-ruled nation that simply doesn't operate under a monarchy and gives people the vote.

But I do agree, it is mob rule, where 51 win over 49 - that's very true. In Australia, elections are every three years, sometimes sooner if something triggers a double dissolution and we go to the polls earlier (which may happen soon with this emissions trading scheme hoopla).

Going by the extravagance of American elections though, I'm not sure if more frequent elections would be the answer.

But with a single-party system, you'd just have either a fascist state or a communist state, and to be honest, I definitely wouldn't want to live in either.



posted on Jul, 14 2009 @ 03:32 AM
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Originally posted by resist2012

For example, "A Bee Movie," well, i don't really believe that I have to say much about it, but anyway. Communism in its purest form, works like a collective hive. Everyone does there job. They almost glamorize the whole "job assignment" aspect of the hive, and how everyone doing their job is what makes everything work. Almost as if life itself were a machine, and the bees are simply parts of this machine. Not a bad message, to a degree, however, this was a major theme behind the communist propaganda films. That and how everyone is equal/the same.




Didn't the main Bee hate this scenerio? The protagonist bee was a non-conformist in its purist form and once he finds out this is how it is for the rest of his life he rebels and not only helps save the world but shows his fellow bees theres more to life then what they're doing. Plus, they are in fact bees, and bees kind of do that whole machine thing so I dont really understand this example.



posted on Jul, 14 2009 @ 03:39 AM
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Just think of all the Capitalist propaganda in kid's entertainment



posted on Jul, 14 2009 @ 03:59 AM
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I miss the older days when they used to make us read "Animal Farm" and "1984" warning us of communism, not encouraging it in our youth.


Orwell was warning us of totalitarianism, not simply communism. Totalitarianism can just as easily thrive in a capitalist system. Remember that Orwell was himself a socialist.


Not a bad message, to a degree, however, this was a major theme behind the communist propaganda films.

IMO, if you agree with the message, you shouldn't worry too much where it comes from. As my signature says, look for good ideas, not heroes.

Using the terms right/left is a mind trap. Would you say Gandhi and Stalin are the same?

The importance of teamwork has always been a staple of Saturday morning cartoons. Even when individuality is emphasized, the non-conforming individual, who usually rebels against the group, sooner or later realizes how his own individuality can be used to enhance the group. (ex. Storm in X-men)

I have to wonder what a capitalist propaganda cartoon would look like... In this episode, Erwin the Capitalist Eagle drains a lake of all its fish at great profits to himself and his shareholders.... hmm, that's usually the role of the villain...

Capitalist propaganda would focus more on consumerism itself. Teach kids to start collecting stuff from an early age. Or more general corporate goals. (Drink milk, trust GM food, McDonald is cool etc...)



[edit on 14/7/09 by ConspiracyNut23]



posted on Jul, 14 2009 @ 09:24 AM
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The book "animal farm" was strictly a satire paralleling the communist revolution in Russia. The oppressed 'slaves' (the animals) wanted to take out the farmer (the tsar) rise and be on top, and be equal, and quickly learned "everyone is equal, but some are more equal than others" (quote from the book) hinting of the contradiction in that ideal of equality. Although, yes, 1984 was a portrayal of totalitarianism. Which, is a form of communism.
pretty much all the same, from moderate to extreme we have socialism - fascism - communism - totalitarianism.

If you can find some of these communist propaganda movies (I cant pull off the top of my head. i have pretty limited resources here in Iraq, so i apologize,) which I will try to find and post, you can see how they are similar, in how they teach kids of an ideal. By the way, a person in my unit here, grew up in communist Russia, has seen both of these, and to be honest, he is the one who pointed out the similarities in these films to me, and we had a good discussion about it.



posted on Jul, 14 2009 @ 09:30 AM
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Didn't the main Bee hate this scenerio? The protagonist bee was a non-conformist in its purist form and once he finds out this is how it is for the rest of his life he rebels and not only helps save the world but shows his fellow bees theres more to life then what they're doing.


Yes, he hated how it was, but remember how when he got everyone to stop working, that the whole world was suffering, and how he ended up going back in the end and conform?



posted on Jul, 14 2009 @ 12:20 PM
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"Thats the way the money goes, pop goes the weasel"





Not just cartoons

Makes you wonder?

I dont think that everything is giving communist messages though.

[edit on 14-7-2009 by XXXN3O]



posted on Jul, 15 2009 @ 12:47 AM
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