I agree.
Especially during the summer months when theres more bored kids around we see loads of these threads.
My suggestion would be an immediate termination of membership and an IP block on the member's computer to stop them spitting their dummy and
repeating under and alias.
T&C Ammendment? Stating you have proof and then refusing to produce it, page 1
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Topic started on 13-7-2009 @ 05:30 PM by fooffstarr
This thread: I got abducted by aliens Last night! Ive got proof!, is only the most
recent example of this trend on ATS.
No offense to the staff, but hoaxers can get pretty much free reign on some of the ATS forums due to this loophole in the T&C.
How can you prove something a hoax when the 'evidence' isn't produced at all? That is how they get away with it.
Recently there has been an influx of these 'OMG I experienced X and have Y proof of it'! threads. When you open the thread, there is a few lines of text and that is it.
Where is the proof?
The members post asking for it, demanding it even. I am on their side.
There is a clause in the T&C as follows:
Is not saying you have 'proof' of something in the headline misleading and/or inaccurate when there is nothing to show?
And then we get the 'oh, but we are waiting for them to upload it' excuse. In this particular instance linked above, the OP stated he knew how to use Imageshack and even alluded that he had the photo uploaded and ready to go.
Why then, is it fair that the vigilant member base should have to wait patiently for over 2 hours for this link to non-existent photos to be posted?
Sorry mods, but I think you are protecting the wrong people in these cases.
We've had so many of them that I wouldn't be surprised if ATS isn't getting a reputation for being easy to fool.
Why not punish these horrible hoaxers who mislead the membership with inaccurate headlines and threads? Stop punishing the members who simply want the T&C and ATS' reputation to be upheld.
[edit on 13-7-2009 by fooffstarr]
No offense to the staff, but hoaxers can get pretty much free reign on some of the ATS forums due to this loophole in the T&C.
How can you prove something a hoax when the 'evidence' isn't produced at all? That is how they get away with it.
Recently there has been an influx of these 'OMG I experienced X and have Y proof of it'! threads. When you open the thread, there is a few lines of text and that is it.
Where is the proof?
The members post asking for it, demanding it even. I am on their side.
There is a clause in the T&C as follows:
You will not post any material that is knowingly false, misleading, or inaccurate.
Is not saying you have 'proof' of something in the headline misleading and/or inaccurate when there is nothing to show?
And then we get the 'oh, but we are waiting for them to upload it' excuse. In this particular instance linked above, the OP stated he knew how to use Imageshack and even alluded that he had the photo uploaded and ready to go.
Why then, is it fair that the vigilant member base should have to wait patiently for over 2 hours for this link to non-existent photos to be posted?
Sorry mods, but I think you are protecting the wrong people in these cases.
We've had so many of them that I wouldn't be surprised if ATS isn't getting a reputation for being easy to fool.
Why not punish these horrible hoaxers who mislead the membership with inaccurate headlines and threads? Stop punishing the members who simply want the T&C and ATS' reputation to be upheld.
[edit on 13-7-2009 by fooffstarr]
reply posted on 13-7-2009 @ 05:49 PM by ShAuNmAn-X
reply to post by fooffstarr
I agree that when people openly claim to have evidence and refuse to share it there should be some repercussions for that user. I know there are some that say OMG! that could endanger the posters life, but in reality, if someone knew they had information they could be killed for it is unlikely that they would post it in public anyways. My $.02
I agree that when people openly claim to have evidence and refuse to share it there should be some repercussions for that user. I know there are some that say OMG! that could endanger the posters life, but in reality, if someone knew they had information they could be killed for it is unlikely that they would post it in public anyways. My $.02
reply posted on 13-7-2009 @ 06:23 PM by mblahnikluver
reply to post by fooffstarr
I agree I was just stating what many have said on other posts about people who post threads like this. I like to give people the benefit of the doubt...I did however find the one thread you mentioned really annoying ESP when they put "I have proof" in the title and there wasnt any. If they couldnt upload it right away they could have said so and then come back later to add it....To me it just seems that many on here love to give those kinds of threads crap...but that's my opinion based on what I have seen while being on here. I personally read the threads and follow up on them to see what "evidence" they have and go from there...
I agree I was just stating what many have said on other posts about people who post threads like this. I like to give people the benefit of the doubt...I did however find the one thread you mentioned really annoying ESP when they put "I have proof" in the title and there wasnt any. If they couldnt upload it right away they could have said so and then come back later to add it....To me it just seems that many on here love to give those kinds of threads crap...but that's my opinion based on what I have seen while being on here. I personally read the threads and follow up on them to see what "evidence" they have and go from there...
reply posted on 13-7-2009 @ 06:34 PM by fooffstarr
reply to post by mblahnikluver
There has been some over the time that have produced photos after a day or 2, but they showed a completely different style than the posters I am targeting.
The genuine ones stay on the thread, address questions and continue to update about how and when their 'evidence' will be posted.
The hoaxers tend to make an elaborate (or in today's case, pretty pathetic) attempt at a first post to get interest, and then either disappear entirely or attack other posters in their thread for asking to see the evidence.
I think that the solution could please all sides in this issue. To avoid embarrassing the forum and some of the members who jump on hoaxers bandwagons, the post ban + moderator U2U request would work well.
If they have the evidence they claim to have, it can be verified first and posted by the moderator after re-opening their thread.
If they don't have it, then the thread is permanently in the trash bin and it doesn't give outsiders more ammunition to call ATS members gullible. No harm done.
There has been some over the time that have produced photos after a day or 2, but they showed a completely different style than the posters I am targeting.
The genuine ones stay on the thread, address questions and continue to update about how and when their 'evidence' will be posted.
The hoaxers tend to make an elaborate (or in today's case, pretty pathetic) attempt at a first post to get interest, and then either disappear entirely or attack other posters in their thread for asking to see the evidence.
I think that the solution could please all sides in this issue. To avoid embarrassing the forum and some of the members who jump on hoaxers bandwagons, the post ban + moderator U2U request would work well.
If they have the evidence they claim to have, it can be verified first and posted by the moderator after re-opening their thread.
If they don't have it, then the thread is permanently in the trash bin and it doesn't give outsiders more ammunition to call ATS members gullible. No harm done.
reply posted on 13-7-2009 @ 06:48 PM by fooffstarr
reply to post by The Utopian Penguin
I agree that should be the case mate, but sadly, ATS is not an ideal world.
Notice that I didn't post in the thread I linked either, for the same reasons, but somebody always will.
It has got to the point I think where the majority of ATS members are getting fed up with these kids with too much time on their hands and are taking out their semi-bottled up frustration on the newest cases.
I don't agree with that. I'd like to see, as you say, a 1 post thread that shows no evidence and a moderator lock in the 2nd post. But it will never happen.
So my proposal is threefold. To deter hoaxers from trying these repeat threads, to protect frustrated ATS members from getting themselves into trouble and to protect the slightly decaying reputation of ATS as being a place of intelligent members who think before they leap.
I agree that should be the case mate, but sadly, ATS is not an ideal world.
Notice that I didn't post in the thread I linked either, for the same reasons, but somebody always will.
It has got to the point I think where the majority of ATS members are getting fed up with these kids with too much time on their hands and are taking out their semi-bottled up frustration on the newest cases.
I don't agree with that. I'd like to see, as you say, a 1 post thread that shows no evidence and a moderator lock in the 2nd post. But it will never happen.
So my proposal is threefold. To deter hoaxers from trying these repeat threads, to protect frustrated ATS members from getting themselves into trouble and to protect the slightly decaying reputation of ATS as being a place of intelligent members who think before they leap.
reply posted on 13-7-2009 @ 06:52 PM by The Utopian Penguin
reply to post by jokei
I thought the rules about creating threads at ATS are quite well defined.
Why does this thread even exist,as this is all ready covered in the rules.
Now all we have to do as members is stop posting to those threads until the supported pics arrive. If the person proclaims they needs help ...it's rare that it pans out.
I thought the rules about creating threads at ATS are quite well defined.
Why does this thread even exist,as this is all ready covered in the rules.
Now all we have to do as members is stop posting to those threads until the supported pics arrive. If the person proclaims they needs help ...it's rare that it pans out.
