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reply posted on 13-7-2009 @ 03:52 PM by CAPT PROTON

Old news people....

en.wikipedia.org...

I remember reading a story a few years back where an 18 year old girl was sterilized for shoplifting in either Virgina or West Virgina.

They considered repealing the law when word got out and people were outraged by the story. Its definitely something they don't like to admit, but the laws are on the books in some places, but rarely if ever used.

So you better watch out folks.

reply posted on 13-7-2009 @ 03:53 PM by Neo_Serf

reply to post by JScytale

Check population growth in industrialized nations. Most parts of Europe and the NA have negative growth.

Remove the boot from the face of the brown skinned folks and watch their pops decline aswell.

reply posted on 13-7-2009 @ 03:53 PM by JScytale

Originally posted by antonia
reply to post by loOranks

North Americans waste enough food in two days to feed some third-world populations for a month. Food and Water is plentiful, it's is mismanagement of these resources that is the problem.

oh god, it isnt. just because americans waste so much (which is a huge, huge problem btw) does not mean it is plentiful. have you ever actually lived in a third world country? i have, for most of my life in fact. trust me when i say necessities are NOT plentiful in most of the world, and the fact some priveleged people WASTE them is so immoral it hurts to think about.

reply posted on 13-7-2009 @ 03:53 PM by JScytale

Originally posted by Neo_Serf
reply to post by JScytale

Remove the boot from the face of the brown skinned folks and watch their pops decline aswell.

what are you even talking about?

reply posted on 13-7-2009 @ 03:54 PM by antonia

Originally posted by JScytale
reply to post by Neo_Serf

china's approach is probably the most moral one i have seen applied, and it *IS* a very significant necessity.

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China's approach has also caused a serious social problem. There are simply not enough females in china since it is more advantageous to have a male child.

www.cbsnews.com...

This problem will manifest itself in any country which follows a one child policy because of sexism. Good luck getting laid in the future Hetero men.

reply posted on 13-7-2009 @ 03:56 PM by JScytale

Originally posted by antonia

Originally posted by JScytale
reply to post by Neo_Serf

china's approach is probably the most moral one i have seen applied, and it *IS* a very significant necessity.

[edit on 13-7-2009 by JScytale]

China's approach has also caused a serious social problem. There are simply not enough females in china since it is more advantageous to have a male child.

www.cbsnews.com...

This problem will manifest itself in any country which follows a one child policy because of sexism. Good luck getting laid in the future Hetero men.

it's not actually a direct cause of that, but one-child does make it more common. look at india, where i believe killing daughters is actually more common, but no one-child policy exists.

culture, watson. culture.

reply posted on 13-7-2009 @ 03:58 PM by Truth4hire

Did anyone already make the link between infertility drugs and the upcoming forced A/H1N1 vaccinations?

Hmmm...?

Fits like a glove. No need to make you barren openly when you can covertly slip something in one of those fine injections.

Then, after it is found to have a "side effect" of being unable to reproduce, you cannot even sue because of BioShield. Look it up.

S+F btw

reply posted on 13-7-2009 @ 03:58 PM by Neo_Serf

reply to post by JScytale

Youre not aware the the world power structure is fully exploitive and destructive towards the 3rd world and views them as recource extraction zones which leads to rampant poverty and thus 'overpopulation'?

reply posted on 13-7-2009 @ 03:59 PM by loOranks

reply to post by antonia

I realize that there is resource mismanagement. I fail to see how that changes much about having a exponentially growing population against a set of finite resources... just thinking about the space we occupy on the habitable mass of land on earth.

reply posted on 13-7-2009 @ 04:01 PM by antonia

Originally posted by JScytale

it's not actually a direct cause of that, but one-child does make it more common. look at india, where i believe killing daughters is actually more common, but no one-child policy exists.

culture, watson. culture.

The one child policy is the direct cause of the problem. That kind of gender disparity was not known before the one-child policy. What occurs in India and other countries is called "Honor killing". It's a different issue.

reply posted on 13-7-2009 @ 04:01 PM by TrueBrit

This is what my grandads fought against in the thirties and forties. This is what thier friends died battling tooth and nail. This is what my Grandads sacrificed thier respective sanities to make sure I never saw. What they allowed thier shell shock to screw thier families up for...
I am appalled to think that a developed nation could ever allow someone to spout this drivel and keep his job. Ok here in britain we have the BNP and things are being done about them , dont you worry... but they are widely regarded as fools , ignorant, and unworthy of public office due to thier connections with the great enemy. But the fact that this foul pustule on the buttock of existance , is allowed to breathe the same air as fair minded people is a crime beyond my ken as a mortal man.
I for one would rather go back to the dark ages, than ever see men such as this rule a world.

reply posted on 13-7-2009 @ 04:02 PM by Neo_Serf

reply to post by loOranks

Its been pointed out that every human on Earth could fit into southern Alberta with 1/4 acre of land.

reply posted on 13-7-2009 @ 04:03 PM by JScytale

Originally posted by Neo_Serf
reply to post by JScytale

Youre not aware the the world power structure is fully exploitive and destructive towards the 3rd world and views them as recource extraction zones which leads to rampant poverty and thus 'overpopulation'?

of course im aware of how countries like the US treat the third world (i lived in latin america, the US's # you now give us your oil, food and money zone). it is however naive to think simply stopping the US altogether would change the level of poverty in latin america any time soon - countries take a long time to recover. i was fortunate enough to live in one of the few south american countries to see through the US's free trade deal and how it would completely destroy low-income families, though. you can't make a living when you have to compete with multinational corporations putting your product on the market for less (thanks to no import taxes).

reply posted on 13-7-2009 @ 04:03 PM by antonia

Originally posted by loOranks
reply to post by antonia

I realize that there is resource mismanagement. I fail to see how that changes much about having a exponentially growing population against a set of finite resources... just thinking about the space we occupy on the habitable mass of land on earth.

3% of the earths inhabitable space is occupied. The math only holds true under one set of circumstances.

reply posted on 13-7-2009 @ 04:04 PM by JScytale

Originally posted by Neo_Serf
reply to post by loOranks

Its been pointed out that every human on Earth could fit into southern Alberta with 1/4 acre of land.

ok. where is their food coming from? you fail to realize that all the world's agriculture isn't even capable of feeding every single human being on the planet adequately.

Originally posted by antonia
3% of the earths inhabitable space is occupied. The math only holds true under one set of circumstances.

you do realize that cutting down all the world's forests would lead to complete and utter doom very quickly, right? that and we are reaching our limits for sustainable agriculture.

en.wikipedia.org...

Overpopulation does not depend only on the size or density of the population, but on the ratio of population to available sustainable resources, and on the means of resource use and distribution used by that population

[edit on 13-7-2009 by JScytale]

reply posted on 13-7-2009 @ 04:05 PM by loOranks

reply to post by Neo_Serf

what??

reply posted on 13-7-2009 @ 04:07 PM by loOranks

Originally posted by antonia

Originally posted by loOranks
reply to post by antonia

I realize that there is resource mismanagement. I fail to see how that changes much about having a exponentially growing population against a set of finite resources... just thinking about the space we occupy on the habitable mass of land on earth.

3% of the earths inhabitable space is occupied. The math only holds true under one set of circumstances.

Oh? Can you please point me to the 97% that mankind left out so far?

reply posted on 13-7-2009 @ 04:07 PM by Mumbotron

Originally posted by Neo_Serf
Im not one to spout about stuff I'm totally unlearned on. Sure Ive read the Manifesto. The stated intentions of these ideologies vs their real world implimentations are light years apart.

In *practice* its all Statism, which is of course the *true* goal of those who funded the birth and growth of all these types of governments. Communism was created by the globalists as a counterforce to capitalism in a grand game of divide and conquer, this is all recorded fact by historians like Carrol Quigley and should be apparent to you folk who tell me I should go do some more reading.

Totally off topic. (but related as these globalists who created Communism are the same bunch who put together this wonderful little text were discussing) Ecoscience should be the main topic and should shock and stun anyone with an ounce of humanity left in them.

When I was in school learning about Marxism, my teacher told a story about Lenin having contacted Marx after reading the communist Manifesto to ask him for advice on the attempt to implement Communism in Russia. Marx replied by saying as long as there are competing Capitalist (centralized) interests that would interfere with the act of decentralization (Moving from Socialism to Communism). Russia would never evolve beyond Socialism. That means Marx felt it would be impossible to institute Communism since a central government and military would be necessary to prevent the influx of the Capitalists. Marx said only after Capitalism destroys itself (which is inevitable) would an attempt at Communism be possible.
I don't know where you might find a copy of that letter but the content seems self evident.

reply posted on 13-7-2009 @ 04:10 PM by antonia

reply to post by JScytale

I did not say anything about cutting down forests. I simply stated a fact, that fact being only 3% of the inhabitable world is inhabited. It's also been shown that in the developed world there is negative population growth. The solution then is obvious. Develop the whole world and the population will go down as a result. Even the UN own data says population should begin to stabilize and go down after the 7 billion mark.

But really does anyone have more information on the book? I'd really like more information on it.

reply posted on 13-7-2009 @ 04:10 PM by TrueBrit

With all due respect to the other posters on this board... I fear you may be missing the point. The real problem here is not about resource. Its about morality. There is nothing moral about forced abortion, nothing moral about forced sterilisation. There is nothing moral about deciding that some members of society are not "Desirable". This is the sort of tosh that began the Nazi take over of Europe.
For all US citizens taking part in this debate, I urge you to put your weight behind any petition that removes people like this man from the offices they hold.
If America goes full on swastika waving lunatic, then Im afraid the response will be the same as it was to germany having a go .