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Obama's Science Czar, says: Forced abortions and mass sterilization needed to save the planet

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posted on Jul, 13 2009 @ 11:14 PM
No surprise here. One of his foreign advisors advocates donations to Hamas and Hezbollah.

Quickly falling down the rabbit hole.

posted on Jul, 13 2009 @ 11:18 PM

Originally posted by JScytale

Originally posted by Neo_Serf

So we have the ability to feed the world, but by design that ability has been bludgeoned, of course to cause some sort of Malthusian catastrophe.

i find it humorous that you think the US's food production could feed 6 billion people.

California agriculture is a $30 billion per year industry. California farmers have combined sophisticated technical advances with naturally-favorable climate, fertile lands, water, and capital into a very productive, efficient system which produces more than 250 different crops, including a wide variety of vegetable, fruit, nut, and livestock products not grown elsewhere in the United States (for example almonds, raisins, prunes, and many vegetables) or the world. Agriculture provides or supports nearly nine percent of total jobs in the state, including agricultural production and linked industries.

The Central Valley is by itself the most important agricultural region in the country.

California agriculture (including only products grown or raised in the state) accounts for more than 12 percent of total U.S. agricultural exports. The state provides all or nearly all of the U.S. exports of such crops as raisins, walnuts, almonds, garlic, artichokes, broccoli, celery, and strawberries. In 1998, exports of California-produced agricultural products and related food products were eight percent of total California-produced exports.

California is an agricultural gateway to the Pacific Rim. The state’s largest export market is to Japan, followed by Canada, Korea, Hong Kong, Germany, the United Kingdom, Taiwan, China, Indonesia, and Mexico. The Pacific-bordering countries account for fully one half of total exports of California-produced agricultural products. California is in a unique geographical position to benefit from growing trade flows between the United States and other Pacific-based countries. The benefits flow well beyond the state’s borders.

California agriculture is a key player in both the domestic and global agricultural markets. It has been the leading agricultural state in the country for 50 years and has benefited from climate, soils, capital, and inventive farmers. It has been pivotal in the development of the state and remains the dominant sector in the Central Valley. It has regularly produced a tremendous diversity of healthy products unmatched elsewhere in the world and at bargain prices. (And that's just California)


Actually, America probably could feed all 6 billion people. Most of the staple crops like wheat, corn, etc. are grown in the plains states and if you've ever been out here, most of the land is not even planted. Even Thomas Jefferson advocated America being an agricultural nation and warned against getting away from agriculture by depending on imports.

TPTB are creating the so-called problems so that they can dictate the solution which is more power and control for them and less freedom for you.

[edit on 13-7-2009 by whitewave]

posted on Jul, 13 2009 @ 11:38 PM

Originally posted by JScytale
they are absolute opposites., they are not.

i would reccomend reading the dozens of replies calling out your ignorance in calling someone a marxist/fascist.

I would recommend you stop living in the past and stop using outdated & irrelevent definitions of a subject with which you know nothing about. Please stop being reading wiki and then posting because you are only embarrassing yourself. Ignorance is NOT your friend.

I'm sure you are one of those who believe that Marxism and Fascism are ideologies on opposite sides of the political spectrum, with Marxism on the "left" and Fascism on the "right." You also probably believe the typical characterization of Marxism as benign & progressive and Fascism as malicious & regressive. These characterizations are erroneous and blur the essential similarities between the two.

Fascism is a variant of revolutionary Marxism.

Below is a quote from the book by James Gregor:

Both fascism and marxism systems have demonstrated an abiding distrust of electoral and paliamentary representation. Both entertained the conviction that individuals and groups of individuals must submit to the authority of the hegemonic state and it would be the hierarchical, nonrepresentive state. in pursuit of "a great national destiny," that would overcome all class, political, ethnic and racial divisions.

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posted on Jul, 14 2009 @ 12:08 AM
Most here seem to be focusing on the sterilization and social aspects of the article and while that is disgusting, there are other points of interest in the article also.

Like for instance:

• A transnational "Planetary Regime" should assume control of the global economy and also dictate the most intimate details of Americans' lives -- using an armed international police force.

So Obama's czar believes in a regime to take control of the global economy and to control our lives from cradle to grave by using a international armed police force.

This guy and Obama is scary and dangerous. Obama really wants to ruin America.

posted on Jul, 14 2009 @ 12:27 AM
reply to post by WhatTheory

sorry guys. It's awful but it's a fact, we're far too many people on this Earth.
Do you blame this guy for writing/expressing his freedom of speech , or because the single thought of an abortion/sterilization makes you sick? I'm sorry but he spoke out loud for a lot of people ( even here on ATS ) and he did it 30 friggin years ago.

Look at the positive angle. He didn't blame the Jews/blacks/etc... for all of this. I wonder what treatment he could get on ATS as a nazi, given what i read in this thread.

posted on Jul, 14 2009 @ 12:52 AM
reply to post by WhatTheory

They are not absolute opposites but they vary in base theories. While Marxism, did not turn out the way they planned, Marxism was meant for the people to own, not the Haves and the Have nots.

Now fascism, is Nazi Germany, totalitarian leadership, that oppresses other views and opposition by force. The key word by force is what makes a true fascist.

This is the absolute meaning of these terms. Now, do people blur them for there own agendas , yep.. .. but these are dictionary meanings. Just cause you want to call a orange an apple, does not change its actual meaning. (not saying you, just saying in general)

posted on Jul, 14 2009 @ 12:55 AM
Ok, this irritates me.

At a civillian Voter level, everybody thinks Abortion is simply about "freedom of Choice" "Womens rights". And the Government clearly sees it as "Population Control".

Really scary.

It's playing with fire. I'd say reserve abortion for rape-abuse victims and the rest of these Hefers need to get on the pill.

posted on Jul, 14 2009 @ 01:00 AM
I don't like the idea of forced sterilization, and such other "forced" things.

No doubt there may be too many people on earth, but you educate people on this, not force them to do things.

People need to know mankind will suffer if the planet becomes overpopulated. If I ever have kids, I only really want 1 or 2. I don't want a "baby machine" marriage. It's not necessary.

Sometimes you wonder if all this "gayness" that is being pushed is an attempt to control the population. Just a thought. Gay people can't really have children naturally.


posted on Jul, 14 2009 @ 02:11 AM
you know what, i'm gonna say this, as a liberal:


population reduction is what he wants. that's why he loves abortion. i also think they want a genocide of Indo-European peoples under the pretext of them oppressing Indigenous peoples in the past (which is true, but is not an excuse for genocide).

The NWO does want to get rid of white people (except of course, the richest ones
), and it wants to eventually get rid of all the "colored people" too, except for the 500,000 lucky ones.

posted on Jul, 14 2009 @ 02:47 AM
It's crazy no matter how many of these Obaminations are brought to light the public doesn't get angry, sad or afraid... The public for the most part doesn't even care about important things like this. Good old hypnotizing mesmerizing television and pop culture seems to do a good job in keeping the population numb to reality.

posted on Jul, 14 2009 @ 02:57 AM
reply to post by MattMulder

Fact? can you provide information proving this 'fact' of overpopulation. Because like most other mainstream propaganda presented by this or previous administrations or any other 'credible source' *cough*Carbon emissions*cough* they're just more excuses for regulation, taxation and all the other great gifts of government.

posted on Jul, 14 2009 @ 03:19 AM
Reply to post by Retseh

Gun ownership has a foot in the grave. Cannot everyone see the correlation between all the Czars? All roads lead to Rome, or in Obama's case Nazi Germany. I hope you guys do not pick and choose which threads to read because if you read them all you will see many roads that are being paved RIGHT NOW by the Obama Regime. Nazi Germany guys. The moment you tell yourself that will never happen is the moment Obama inches America closer to Nazi Germany. I swear it is the days of Noah all over again. Homie, what the f""" is rain?

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posted on Jul, 14 2009 @ 03:32 AM
Reply to post by WhatTheory

Not meant to offend but where the heck have you been since Jan 20? Obama better be the next Anti-Christ and start doing tricks because he has put America in a hole that most sensible say is ALREADY impossible to dig out of. Obama has no choice but to be the newly adopted son of GHWBush and invade EVERY freaking country on the planet because if we do not take the wars to them then the wars will come to us, because Obama's decisions are starting to affect other nations and not everyone is stupid and dumbed-down like Americans. America will be the 80s USSR of this timeline and when all is said and done 99.99% of Americans will be scratching their heads asking how this happened. MHO.

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posted on Jul, 14 2009 @ 03:35 AM

Originally posted by
Not meant to offend but where the heck have you been since Jan 20?


What do you mean? What are you talking about?

I dislike Obama probably more than you which is why I don't understand your comment.

posted on Jul, 14 2009 @ 03:40 AM

Originally posted by Solar.Absolution
reply to post by MattMulder

Fact? can you provide information proving this 'fact' of overpopulation. Because like most other mainstream propaganda presented by this or previous administrations or any other 'credible source' *cough*Carbon emissions*cough* they're just more excuses for regulation, taxation and all the other great gifts of government.

Seriously dude.. How can you not see with your own eyes that the world is massively overpopulated? The evidence is all around us - there are millions of people starving, fighting for resources, destroying the rainforests to sustain ourselves, and choking the oceans with plastic waste. Look at a world map at night with all the lights showing up.. we are a disease on a planetary petri dish.

It's not even the 'US Administration' that's claiming there to be overpopulation, so I don't really think it's propaganda, so to speak.. countless people have known overpopulation to be a serious issue for years and years.. from civilians to scientists and politicians. There are many, many books on the subject. Straw Dogs by John Gray for one..

If you need an authoritative figure to tell you something is a 'fact' before you even consider it, I suggest you rely more on your own understanding of the world.

posted on Jul, 14 2009 @ 03:50 AM
Reply to post by MattMulder

The problem is not over-population. The PROBLEMS (plural) are this: the laws no longer protect the law-abiding citizens who only want to eat, sleep, work take care of their families and occasionally go out and have fun, but instead have been twisted, manipulated and worded to make some form of criminal out of EVERY citizen, and by doing so they have reduced the punishments of crimes to the extent the dangerous criminals, such as pedophiles, rapists, murderers, robbers and criminal radicals, can get off with basically a wrist slap if a slick enough lawyer represents them, making the judicial system a branch of the IRS, in other words another forced tax; parents dont teach morals to their children, so everyone says to hell with holding on to their virginity or practicing safe sex but instead the moment puberty hits they start f"""ing like theres no tomorrow. THESE are the reasons I say yes to population control. Life is no longer Life but prolonged Death, hence the increase in drug use, both legal and illegal.

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posted on Jul, 14 2009 @ 03:56 AM
Reply to post by WhatTheory

I replied to the wrong person sorry about that man i do not always pay attention apparently take this coupon for a free milkshake from Burger Queen oh dang I washed my pants and I left it in there Today has not been kind

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posted on Jul, 14 2009 @ 07:22 AM
I find it funny so many people are jumping on the sterilization train. Guess what genius-you are getting sterilized too. it's not just those undesirables you harp on about.

posted on Jul, 14 2009 @ 09:48 AM

Originally posted by ElectricUniverse
Really? tell that to NATIONAL SOCIALISTS. There are many forms of Socialism/Communism, and if the aim of Socialism is the eradication of "nationhood", there wouldn't be so many Socialist countries with different names, and with different governments, yet they are.

FAO ElectricUniverse

Right. Sitting comfortably? Good. Put away the "Everything you need to know about McCartythism" book you're reading and listen to me.


Hitler called his party the National Socialist Party. Ok. So that must mean they're socialists. Just in the same way that the Democratic People's Republik of Korea (North Korea to you and me) MUST be Democratic. And the Democratic Republik of Congo MUST ALSO be democratic, right?

Because it's in the name! Why would they lie? It certainly wouldn't be to try and make them sound more appealing, would it?

I mean, who would vote for the Ultra-Right Wing German Fascist party? And who would go on holiday to the Oppressive Dictatorship Of North Korea?

Not me, that's for sure.

You're placing too much stock in names, friend. It's terribly naive. Hitler was no more a socialist than Churchill. Just because he said he was, doesn't mean he was. Socialism at that time was en vogue in Europe, so he jumped on the band-wagon. Great PR if you think about it. And it worked!

True, he did have some left-wing financial policies. So does Britain's far right BNP party, and Jean-Marie Le Pen's very right wing French National Front party. Doesn't make them leftists.

Does your statement mean that you consider Adolf Hitler, the most famous Right Winger in History, to be a Left-Wing Socialist? Because that is just bizarre, and, most importantly, factually innaccurate my friend.

Whilst i do have sympathy with certain areas of Marxism, i am not a Marxist. I just don't like to see dis-information and prejudice asserted as fact go unchallenged.

posted on Jul, 14 2009 @ 09:56 AM

Originally posted by antonia
I find it funny so many people are jumping on the sterilization train. Guess what genius-you are getting sterilized too. it's not just those undesirables you harp on about.

I'm fine with that. I understand the severity of the population problem, and have no desire to breed and contribute more to the human-caused problems than I have to (saying people who feel this way should commit suicide is a useless argument as well, as denying the possibility of existence is not the same as denying existence - a point of view that heavily influences my views on abortion).

Granted, the chinese way of one child per couple (unless they can afford more off their own backs, in my method) should be tried first to cut our numbers.. as it naturally brings the numbers down without infringing too heavily on people's rights, and is kinder to the economy without the 6-children benefits families sponging all the money to support their apathy.

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