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Originally posted by Bluebelle
There's no reason science and God cant co-exist IMHO. Its impossible to dismiss either of the ideas completely. Especially with the things we're starting to learn about the universe i.e. dark matter, dark energy... and that weird dark flow stuff - which incidentally I think is actually terrifying, we could be heading towards some insanely huge black hole!
And add all that to the various theories that are arising about possible other dimensions, it just goes to show that we still have a lot to learn.
It might well be impossible to ever determine whether we were created or not, especially seeing as we dont even know what our universe is, or even how big it is... but think how far we've come in the last 1000 years or so, its absolutely mind boggling to think where we might be in another 1000 years!
Originally posted by TurkeyBurgers
reply to post by Sigismundus
Your post was gourmet. I devoured it. Thank you so much for educating us on such an amazing man.
I never understood what the Jefferson Bible was other than that every member of Congress or Senate, I forget which, receives one.
It it great to see someone who contains such a vast amount of knowledge on the subject share it. Thank you very much.
I too think Jefferson would find the Internet as it currently exists almost entirely free from censorship completely amazing.
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Originally posted by TurkeyBurgers
For Histopherness and Badmedia.
Do either one of you actually believe that Jesus existed as an actual living non-fiction historical figure like Thomas Jefferson was? Or a fictional never living character like Conan is?
I think that if Thomas Jefferson was able to see all of the evidence present regarding this issue today he might conclude that Jesus in fact did not exist as an actual living person and was fictional.
Originally posted by Histopherness
reply to post by badmedia
I too am a big fan of JC, Jesus Christ the man as I call him.
Not really all that sure of saying that Jesus is the truth, the way, the light. Sounds like John saying that not Jesus; and while I won't call him a false prophet, John definately was trying to undermine the Jewish faith. Jesus was more about questioning the current Jewish leaders. From my readings I believe that Jesus felt that the Jewish faith had taken a wrong turn, that much of the dogma no longer concerned what God was really trying to tell us.
Again, other then in John, Jesus never called himself a God. I don't think he saw himself anymore as God then the rest of us.
Originally posted by barksplinter
To clarify Atheism for Atheists:
I purport there to be a God; Yet, I cannot PROVE there is a God.
Therefore mine is a FAITH BASED belief system.
Atheists purport there IS NOT a God. Atheists cannot prove there is NOT a God.
Therefore theirs is a FAITH BASED belief system.
Agnostics have an ABSENCE of belief..
(Don't know... or don't care.)
Atheists DO NOT have an ABSENCE of belief.
Atheists claim to KNOW THERE IS NO GOD!
1 a: allegiance to duty or a person : loyalty b (1): fidelity to one's promises (2): sincerity of intentions2 a (1): belief and trust in and loyalty to God (2): belief in the traditional doctrines of a religion b (1): firm belief in something for which there is no proof (2): complete trust3: something that is believed especially with strong conviction ; especially : a system of religious beliefs