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The Gay Agenda---Making America A Little More Gay Everyday!

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posted on Jul, 12 2009 @ 10:11 PM
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posted on Jul, 12 2009 @ 10:11 PM
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Originally posted by KyoZero
I cannot even fathom the mass amount of intolerance here

but for the heck of it..prove to me being gay isn't normal...please don't quote the bible either...it hasn't been proven real and well...alot of folks don't follow it anyway

-Kyo


Well technically, no, being gay isn't normal. Much like being born without leg isn't normal, being born with a sexual desire that have no hope for reproduction is not normal.
However anormal does not mean it is wrong.



posted on Jul, 12 2009 @ 10:12 PM
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Originally posted by tothetenthpower
reply to post by DASFEX
 


The fact that they love eachother.

That's enough for straight people to get married.

Our love is worth less than yours?

~Keeper


Not entirely true
Straight folk get married for various reasons

A Korean woman got married to an old man because it was arranged, she found him grotesque. She cheats on him but, will not get a divorce because it would ruin her family.

I know a rich lady that got married because her husband is loaded. She doesn't sleep with him and lives in the opposite end of the house and hopes that he will keel over so she will get everything. She practically hates the guy and at one point thought about poisoning him.

Know another woman that married a man so he could become a citizen. They never lived in the same house.

Know a guy that married a woman because she is hot and treats her like a disposable sports car.

Know a gay guy that married his lesbian roomie to get the benefits even though they are not remotely interested in each other.

Women marry for money

Both sexes will marry for money

Woman pleads guilty to recruiting family members to marry foreigners (green cards)



posted on Jul, 12 2009 @ 10:13 PM
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Originally posted by DASFEX

Originally posted by jeasahtheseer

And I know plenty of gay people and none of them go around and try to teach "gay sex" to people lmao. Thats just rediculous. But like I said maybe I misread your whole post, I'm in a hurry.

Back to cooking dinner.

Peace.


[edit on 12-7-2009 by jeasahtheseer]


well let me ask you this "dad",, you seem like a level headed intelligent person, respectful of others, etc. How would you feel if you knew you were someone most others were always talking about having to tolerate you? I don't wanna be a pain in anyones ass (no pun) but if I heard everyone had to tolerate me and then I found out they were because I insisted they do?

How screwed up is that?


To be honest, I don't understand what your question is.

And don't call me dad, that creeps me out. You aren't my child.

No matter what you say your not going to make me hate anyone. I am a tolerant and accepting person, always have been, and always will. And my kids will be the same way, as much as you think they shouldn't be taught to tolerate.


[edit on 12-7-2009 by jeasahtheseer]



posted on Jul, 12 2009 @ 10:16 PM
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Originally posted by ravenshadow13
DASFEX---

Woah woah woah. Pro gay health EDUCATION?

Kay. Good. You send your kids out into the world with no sex education. Don't even tell them about condoms. Why should they bother learning about STIs?

I'm sure if they stick with straight people they'll be fiiiiiine.


NO YOU whoa whoa whoa,, MY kids are MY business and I don't need a gay only educator teaching my kids fisting! That has nothing to do with getting pregant, reproduction tampons std's etc listen to that class. would you want ministers forcing your kids to study religion?

Whay is it only Gays can teach this class ? yeah true.

Straights don't qualify? No no ya know what, It just occured to me how absurd this is if YOU aren't PISSED off about that or can understand what ANYONE with kids would be.. Then you and i have got nothing to talk about .



posted on Jul, 12 2009 @ 10:18 PM
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Originally posted by DASFEX

Originally posted by ravenshadow13
DASFEX---

Woah woah woah. Pro gay health EDUCATION?

Kay. Good. You send your kids out into the world with no sex education. Don't even tell them about condoms. Why should they bother learning about STIs?

I'm sure if they stick with straight people they'll be fiiiiiine.


NO YOU whoa whoa whoa,, MY kids are MY business and I don't need a gay only educator teaching my kids fisting! That has nothing to do with getting pregant, reproduction tampons std's etc listen to that class. would you want ministers forcing your kids to study religion?

Whay is it only Gays can teach this class ? yeah true.

Straights don't qualify? No no ya know what, It just occured to me how absurd this is if YOU aren't PISSED off about that or can understand what ANYONE with kids would be.. Then you and i have got nothing to talk about .


I actually commented to you about this a few posts back. I read that link you posted a couple pages back, and I agree with you, that is disgusting and should NOT be taught in schools.

But I bet that was just one single case, I highly doudt they are teaching about "spitting and swallowing" and stuff like that in every sex ed class, and they never will.

Sex ed is NOT about teaching you how to have sex, its about how to be safe and its about learning about the reproductive organs.

And by the way there is HUGE, HUGE difference between teaching kids to tolerate people and teaching kids about sex. Teaching kids to tolerate people there is nothing wrong with that, but teaching kids how to have sex whether it be straight or gay sex is just wrong. They should teach the kids how to use condoms and stuff like that, but they shouldn't be teaching them how to have sex. That is wrong.

Hell I bet even most gay guys on here would tell you that stuff in that link shouldn't be taught in schools. That stuff transcribed in that link is wrong, just WRONG! I seriously can not believe there was a teacher somewhere teaching that.

But like I said everything in that link had nothing to do with tolerance, it was all about sex and stuff. There is a difference.



[edit on 12-7-2009 by jeasahtheseer]

[edit on 12-7-2009 by jeasahtheseer]



posted on Jul, 12 2009 @ 10:19 PM
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What are you even talking about? Non-asbtinence only education can be taught by anyone with the appropriate degree!

Fisting?

What the heck.

You're talking hypothetics, right? You must be because honestly I don't know what on earth you're talking about.

Schools get sued for that sort of thing. I thought you were talking about condom education. Everyone should learn about condoms and other forms of birth control and STIs.

They don't teach people how to give oral in the class room or anything like that. They don't even teach people how to have normal sex. The curriculums are really strict and must be taught by professionals. If not, the district and state can be sued.

[edit on 7/12/2009 by ravenshadow13]



posted on Jul, 12 2009 @ 10:20 PM
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Originally posted by jeasahtheseer

Originally posted by DASFEX

Originally posted by jeasahtheseer

And I know plenty of gay people and none of them go around and try to teach "gay sex" to people lmao. Thats just rediculous. But like I said maybe I misread your whole post, I'm in a hurry.

Back to cooking dinner.

Peace.


[edit on 12-7-2009 by jeasahtheseer]


well let me ask you this "dad",, you seem like a level headed intelligent person, respectful of others, etc. How would you feel if you knew you were someone most others were always talking about having to tolerate you? I don't wanna be a pain in anyones ass (no pun) but if I heard everyone had to tolerate me and then I found out they were because I insisted they do?

How screwed up is that?


To be honest, I don't understand what your question is.

And don't call me dad, that creeps me out. You aren't my child. And don't talk like you are above me, you are nothing.

No matter what you say your not going to make me hate anyone. I am a tolerant and accepting person, always have been, and always will. And my kids will be the same way, as much as you think they shouldn't be taught to tolerate.

[edit on 12-7-2009 by jeasahtheseer]


Did you really think I thoguth you were my dad? No I was just trying to remind you of the context I want you to decide on as a dad . Didn't mean to creep you out tho. I read the questions over and I find it pretty easy to understand. I just asked the question to several buddies here and they got it . So I dunno what else I can do



posted on Jul, 12 2009 @ 10:22 PM
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Originally posted by DASFEX

Originally posted by jeasahtheseer

Originally posted by DASFEX

Originally posted by jeasahtheseer

And I know plenty of gay people and none of them go around and try to teach "gay sex" to people lmao. Thats just rediculous. But like I said maybe I misread your whole post, I'm in a hurry.

Back to cooking dinner.

Peace.


[edit on 12-7-2009 by jeasahtheseer]


well let me ask you this "dad",, you seem like a level headed intelligent person, respectful of others, etc. How would you feel if you knew you were someone most others were always talking about having to tolerate you? I don't wanna be a pain in anyones ass (no pun) but if I heard everyone had to tolerate me and then I found out they were because I insisted they do?

How screwed up is that?


To be honest, I don't understand what your question is.

And don't call me dad, that creeps me out. You aren't my child. And don't talk like you are above me, you are nothing.

No matter what you say your not going to make me hate anyone. I am a tolerant and accepting person, always have been, and always will. And my kids will be the same way, as much as you think they shouldn't be taught to tolerate.

[edit on 12-7-2009 by jeasahtheseer]


Did you really think I thoguth you were my dad? No I was just trying to remind you of the context I want you to decide on as a dad . Didn't mean to creep you out tho. I read the questions over and I find it pretty easy to understand. I just asked the question to several buddies here and they got it . So I dunno what else I can do


I guess I'm dumb right now... lol. Sorry. haha and I was joking about the dad thing, dude lol.

[edit on 12-7-2009 by jeasahtheseer]



posted on Jul, 12 2009 @ 10:22 PM
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Originally posted by ravenshadow13
reply to post by DASFEX
 


What are you even talking about? Non-asbtinence only education can be taught by anyone with the appropriate degree!

Fisting?

What the heck.

You're talking hypothetics, right? You must be because honestly I don't know what on earth you're talking about.


Dont play games,, if yu continue we're done. The link I sent you to did you listen to it ? did yu read the transcript? what part of all that didnt you understand



posted on Jul, 12 2009 @ 10:23 PM
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Originally posted by DASFEX
ATS's bias for gays is legend but it isn't their policy. I think of tht happened it was most likely they either deserved it or a the ats clique got the best of another. I know what ya mean though I was very worried about John Matrix in another thread where they had even had gays request banning him. The gay and lesbian threads are pretty hard to get involved in and come out without a alert being made about bigotry and hatred all that. Lot of times I have seen many never post again after a gay thread but says there still members .


OK, I just had to jump in on this one. Having had the displeasure of 'debating' Mr. Matrix on one of those other threads, let me explain why some probably requested his banning (I was not one of them, the Mods can make that determination on their own). He did not come into the thread to debate, discuss or any other civilized manner of discussion. He came into the thread to spead hate and lies. He makes outrageous claims and states them as facts. He NEVER sources his 'data', and when proven wrong, instead of admitting it like a man, he just moves on to more hate speech. There are plenty of those who are on the other side of the fence who can discuss the subject in a calm objective manner. Mr. Matrix is not one of them.



posted on Jul, 12 2009 @ 10:25 PM
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You really are afraid arent you?

I can assure chldren arent taught hetrosexual common techniques like cunnilngus nor your percieved homosexual techniques like 'fisting'

That comment is just ridiculous,

U cant catch gay so stop panicking so much, your not gay mate ok? we get it.
lol



[edit on 12-7-2009 by zazzafrazz]



posted on Jul, 12 2009 @ 10:25 PM
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Originally posted by jeasahtheseer

Originally posted by DASFEX

Originally posted by ravenshadow13
DASFEX---

Woah woah woah. Pro gay health EDUCATION?

Kay. Good. You send your kids out into the world with no sex education. Don't even tell them about condoms. Why should they bother learning about STIs?

I'm sure if they stick with straight people they'll be fiiiiiine.


NO YOU whoa whoa whoa,, MY kids are MY business and I don't need a gay only educator teaching my kids fisting! That has nothing to do with getting pregant, reproduction tampons std's etc listen to that class. would you want ministers forcing your kids to study religion?

Whay is it only Gays can teach this class ? yeah true.

Straights don't qualify? No no ya know what, It just occured to me how absurd this is if YOU aren't PISSED off about that or can understand what ANYONE with kids would be.. Then you and i have got nothing to talk about .


I actually commented to you about this a few posts back. I read that link you posted a couple pages back, and I agree with you, that is disgusting and should NOT be taught in schools.

But I bet that was just one single case, I highly doudt they are teaching about "spitting and swallowing" and stuff like that in every sex ed class, and they never will.

Sex ed is NOT about teaching you how to have sex, its about how to be safe and its about learning about the reproductive organs.

And by the way there is HUGE, HUGE difference between teaching kids to tolerate people and teaching kids about sex. Teaching kids to tolerate people there is nothing wrong with that, but teaching kids how to have sex whether it be straight or gay sex is just wrong. They should teach the kids how to use condoms and stuff like that, but they shouldn't be teaching them how to have sex. That is wrong.




[edit on 12-7-2009 by jeasahtheseer]


You have any idea the number of lawsuits pending now because they have every intention of doing the following



FEDERAL:

1. Amend all federal Civil Rights Acts, other legislation and government controls to prohibit discrimination in employment, housing, public accommodations and public services. (1972 Federal-1)

2. Issuance by the President of an executive order prohibiting the military from excluding for reasons of their sexual orientation, persons who of their own volition desire entrance into the Armed Services; and from issuing less-than-fully-honorable discharges for homosexuality; and the upgrading to fully honorable all such discharges previously issued, with retroactive benefits. (1972 Federal-2)

3. Issuance by the President of an executive order prohibiting discrimination in the federal civil service because of sexual orientation, in hiring and promoting; and prohibiting discriminations against homosexuals in security clearances. (1972 Federal-3)

4. Elimination of tax inequities victimizing single persons and same-sex couples. (1972 Federal-4)

5. Elimination of bars to the entry, immigration and naturalization of homosexual aliens.(1972 Federal-5)

6. Federal encouragement and support for sex education courses, prepared and taught by Gay women and men, presenting homosexuality as a valid, healthy preference and lifestyle as a viable alternative to heterosexuality. (1972 Federal-6)

7. Appropriate executive orders, regulations and legislation banning the compiling, maintenance and dissemination of information on an individual's sexual preferences,behavior, and social and political activities for dossiers and data banks. (1972 Federal-7)

8. Federal funding of aid programs of gay men's and women's organizations designed to alleviate the problems encountered by Gay women and men which are engendered by an oppressive sexist society. (1972 Federal-8)

9. Immediate release of all Gay women and men now incarcerated in detention centers,prisons and mental institutions because of sexual offense charges relating to victimless crimes or sexual orientation; and that adequate compensation be made for the physical and mental duress encountered; and that all existing records relating to the incarceration
be immediately expunged. (1972 Federal-9)




STATE:

1. All federal legislation and programs enumerated in Demands 1, 6, 7, 8, and 9 above should be implemented at the State level where applicable. (1972 State-1)

2. Repeal of all state laws prohibiting private sexual acts involving consenting persons; equalization for homosexuals and heterosexuals for the enforcement of all laws. (1972 State-2)

3. Repeal all state laws prohibiting solicitation for private voluntary sexual liaisons; and laws prohibiting prostitution, both male and female. (1972 State-3)

4. Enactment of legislation prohibiting insurance companies and any other state-regulated enterprises from discriminating because of sexual orientation, in insurance and in bonding or any other prerequisite to employment or control of one's personal demesne.(1972 State-4)

5. Enactment of legislation so that child custody, adoption, visitation rights, foster parenting, and the like shall not be denied because of sexual orientation or marital status.(1972 State-5)

6. Repeal of all state laws prohibiting transvestism and cross-dressing. (1972 State-6)

7. Repeal of all laws governing the age of sexual consent. (1972 State-7)

8. Repeal of all legislative provisions that restrict the sex or number of persons entering into a marriage unit; and the extension of legal benefits to all persons who cohabit regardless of sex or numbers. (1972 State) www.afa.net...



posted on Jul, 12 2009 @ 10:29 PM
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OK, if you're going to make a claim such as this, SOURCE IT!!! Otherwise, I'm calling BS on this one! FISTING?!?!?! Who's teaching the class, Mr. Slave???




posted on Jul, 12 2009 @ 10:29 PM
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Originally posted by toochaos4u

Both sexes will marry for money



The title of your link and the article itself is quite misleading.

Yes it's right that people of both sexes do marry for money if that is an option, but women do it more, for greater amounts - from the link itself..



posted on Jul, 12 2009 @ 10:30 PM
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Originally posted by DASFEX

Originally posted by jeasahtheseer

Originally posted by DASFEX

Originally posted by ravenshadow13
DASFEX---

Woah woah woah. Pro gay health EDUCATION?

Kay. Good. You send your kids out into the world with no sex education. Don't even tell them about condoms. Why should they bother learning about STIs?

I'm sure if they stick with straight people they'll be fiiiiiine.


NO YOU whoa whoa whoa,, MY kids are MY business and I don't need a gay only educator teaching my kids fisting! That has nothing to do with getting pregant, reproduction tampons std's etc listen to that class. would you want ministers forcing your kids to study religion?

Whay is it only Gays can teach this class ? yeah true.

Straights don't qualify? No no ya know what, It just occured to me how absurd this is if YOU aren't PISSED off about that or can understand what ANYONE with kids would be.. Then you and i have got nothing to talk about .


I actually commented to you about this a few posts back. I read that link you posted a couple pages back, and I agree with you, that is disgusting and should NOT be taught in schools.

But I bet that was just one single case, I highly doudt they are teaching about "spitting and swallowing" and stuff like that in every sex ed class, and they never will.

Sex ed is NOT about teaching you how to have sex, its about how to be safe and its about learning about the reproductive organs.

And by the way there is HUGE, HUGE difference between teaching kids to tolerate people and teaching kids about sex. Teaching kids to tolerate people there is nothing wrong with that, but teaching kids how to have sex whether it be straight or gay sex is just wrong. They should teach the kids how to use condoms and stuff like that, but they shouldn't be teaching them how to have sex. That is wrong.




[edit on 12-7-2009 by jeasahtheseer]


You have any idea the number of lawsuits pending now because they have every intention of doing the following



FEDERAL:

1. Amend all federal Civil Rights Acts, other legislation and government controls to prohibit discrimination in employment, housing, public accommodations and public services. (1972 Federal-1)

2. Issuance by the President of an executive order prohibiting the military from excluding for reasons of their sexual orientation, persons who of their own volition desire entrance into the Armed Services; and from issuing less-than-fully-honorable discharges for homosexuality; and the upgrading to fully honorable all such discharges previously issued, with retroactive benefits. (1972 Federal-2)

3. Issuance by the President of an executive order prohibiting discrimination in the federal civil service because of sexual orientation, in hiring and promoting; and prohibiting discriminations against homosexuals in security clearances. (1972 Federal-3)

4. Elimination of tax inequities victimizing single persons and same-sex couples. (1972 Federal-4)

5. Elimination of bars to the entry, immigration and naturalization of homosexual aliens.(1972 Federal-5)

6. Federal encouragement and support for sex education courses, prepared and taught by Gay women and men, presenting homosexuality as a valid, healthy preference and lifestyle as a viable alternative to heterosexuality. (1972 Federal-6)

7. Appropriate executive orders, regulations and legislation banning the compiling, maintenance and dissemination of information on an individual's sexual preferences,behavior, and social and political activities for dossiers and data banks. (1972 Federal-7)

8. Federal funding of aid programs of gay men's and women's organizations designed to alleviate the problems encountered by Gay women and men which are engendered by an oppressive sexist society. (1972 Federal-8)

9. Immediate release of all Gay women and men now incarcerated in detention centers,prisons and mental institutions because of sexual offense charges relating to victimless crimes or sexual orientation; and that adequate compensation be made for the physical and mental duress encountered; and that all existing records relating to the incarceration
be immediately expunged. (1972 Federal-9)




STATE:

1. All federal legislation and programs enumerated in Demands 1, 6, 7, 8, and 9 above should be implemented at the State level where applicable. (1972 State-1)

2. Repeal of all state laws prohibiting private sexual acts involving consenting persons; equalization for homosexuals and heterosexuals for the enforcement of all laws. (1972 State-2)

3. Repeal all state laws prohibiting solicitation for private voluntary sexual liaisons; and laws prohibiting prostitution, both male and female. (1972 State-3)

4. Enactment of legislation prohibiting insurance companies and any other state-regulated enterprises from discriminating because of sexual orientation, in insurance and in bonding or any other prerequisite to employment or control of one's personal demesne.(1972 State-4)

5. Enactment of legislation so that child custody, adoption, visitation rights, foster parenting, and the like shall not be denied because of sexual orientation or marital status.(1972 State-5)

6. Repeal of all state laws prohibiting transvestism and cross-dressing. (1972 State-6)

7. Repeal of all laws governing the age of sexual consent. (1972 State-7)

8. Repeal of all legislative provisions that restrict the sex or number of persons entering into a marriage unit; and the extension of legal benefits to all persons who cohabit regardless of sex or numbers. (1972 State) www.afa.net...


I guess I really am dumb because I don't know how to read "law text" or whatever you'd call that. I have no idea what anything in any of those quotes are about lol.

I am not obsessed with this stuff and don't follow it like you seem to do, so I have no idea what these quotes are about.



posted on Jul, 12 2009 @ 10:30 PM
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That is from 1972. From the website of the American Family Association.

I think I'm actually done here.

There's a good argument, and there's something called fishing for research to support a bias. This is the latter.



posted on Jul, 12 2009 @ 10:31 PM
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Originally posted by ravenshadow13
reply to post by DASFEX
 


That is from 1972. From the website of the American Family Association.

I think I'm actually done here.

There's a good argument, and there's something called fishing for research to support a bias. This is the latter.


oh wow that stuff really is from 1972. Now I feel like a idiot for even responding to that guy at all, he is just grasping for straws now to attempt to prove whatever point it is he has (and I don't understand what his point is or what hes trying to prove).

[edit on 12-7-2009 by jeasahtheseer]



posted on Jul, 12 2009 @ 10:32 PM
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Being gay is NOT normal.

You can argue all you want for it, but it's NOT normal.

Being gay is a CHOICE and it's a LIFESTYLE.

If someone was a heavy drug user and he enjoyed the lifestyle, would that make it normal? NO! It's a choice and it's HIS choice for that lifestyle.

It is NOT normal.



posted on Jul, 12 2009 @ 10:34 PM
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Originally posted by Little One
reply to post by bagari
 


Are you actually suggesting being gay is a result of a mental illness? Birth defect? 'Chemical Imbalance at birth'.

Youre kidding too right? Part of the joke right?

If not...



I'm never coming back to this thread so I won't know anybodies responses to my post, but... BEING GAY IS A GENETIC DEFECT. I don't hate gays and I've actually got a few gay friends, but this is ridiculous. I don't think being gay is a simple matter of right and wrong. Those are just words, but being gay is not a natural, normal occurance. It's a defect, and anybody who disagrees is wrong, it's as simple as that. It's like a fact people, get over it. I have a fetish, none of your business what, but that's also not natural. I understand this though, so you UNDERSTAND THIS! It's not natural! Get off your high horse and get over your pride because it means nothing as far as the facts are concerned. It changes nothing. IF you're gay, you are having feelings based off a chemical imbalance. It's as SIMPLE as THAT! That is all, let the "flame" war begin...

[edit on 12-7-2009 by Maj35t1cI2]



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