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Abductions and NDEs

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posted on May, 7 2004 @ 02:59 PM
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I have heard numerous reports on how aliens could be from another dimension. For example when someone is expirencing an abduction they usually feel paralyzed. When someone is have a NDE they usually feel the same way. So the question is Do you wonder if their is a connection between NDEs and alien abduction and why might that be? This has been a question I have been wondering for years. Does this mean when we die we go back to our UFOS. I find it very mysterious




posted on May, 7 2004 @ 04:55 PM
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I believe that there is not a connection between aliens and NDEs. I do believe, however, that extraterrestrials are actually humans from the future. Evolution shows that space-bound humans, and even humans of the earth down the road may develop characteristics presented in the classic grey aliens. I see you point about NDEs and aliens, but I will still believe the hypothesis stated above for the time being.



posted on May, 7 2004 @ 05:26 PM
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Originally posted by Zuzubar
I have heard numerous reports on how aliens could be from another dimension. For example when someone is expirencing an abduction they usually feel paralyzed. When someone is have a NDE they usually feel the same way. So the question is Do you wonder if their is a connection between NDEs and alien abduction and why might that be? This has been a question I have been wondering for years. Does this mean when we die we go back to our UFOS. I find it very mysterious
I'm sure by making large leaps in speculation you could come to the conclusion that NDE's may have something to do with alien abductions but honestly...I fail to see that connection.

NDE's:
Psychological Perspective (MR)

Encounter Prone Personalities

Researchers over the years have searched for answers to the questions surrounding the cause and nature of Near Death Experiences. One aspect of this research is the existence of individuals who possess encounter prone personalities. Similarities were
found in the backgrounds of many of those who claimed to have had a near death experience. It was found that there existed a consistent tendency for these individuals to report a higher incidence of both childhood trauma and abuse. A common response to
trauma, such as abuse during oneís childhood, is a separation from the reality which is seen as painful and a retreat into a world of oneís own invention. This process is known as dissociation, and it is believed that this incidence of childhood dissociation opens
them up to similar events later in life. The near death experience has been characterized as form of dissociation. In this case, one is dissociating themselves from the experience of being near death (Mauro 1992).


Dissociation:

The importance of Psychology in understanding the nature of the near death experience becomes apparent when contrasting elements of near death experiences with features of dissociation. Common elements are shared by the psychological phenomenon of dissociation and the near death experience. By looking at the two side by side, and examining the common elements, one can hope to shed light on the nature of near death experiences. Looking at the psychology behind the experience allows us to better
understand where these near death experiences come from, and what relevance they have to our lives. Research was done comparing two groups of individuals who had come close to death, with one group experiencing near death experiences and the
other group not having what could be classified as a near death experience. It was found that those individuals who reported near death experiences were also reporting significantly more symptoms of dissociation. The depth of near death experience was found to
be positively correlated with the dissociative symptoms experienced. So, as the experience deepens, the number of symptoms of dissociation increases. The pattern of dissociative symptoms reported by these individuals experiencing near death experiences has
been found to be consistent with a non-pathological dissociative response to stress (Greyson 2000).

Dissociation takes place when a personís self identity becomes detached from their bodily sensation (Greyson 2000). This dissociation is in response to the trauma of being near death (Mauro 1992). It is regarded as an adaptive response to a trauma
which is considered to be physically or emotionally intolerable. There is a break from a personís normal stream of consciousness and memory. This incorporates a separation from thoughts, feelings and experiences, but does not necessarily cause high levels of
distress (Greyson 2000).

These dissociative symptoms are often described by victims of trauma, which includes prisoners, rape victims and hostages. Nine to eighteen percent of people who are near death, which is considered to be a highly traumatic event, experience what is classified as a near death experience. Many of the near death experiences these people are going through include several features which are very suggestive of dissociation. They experience partial to total disconnection with their perception experiences, cognitive functioning, emotional state and sense of identity. These dissociative phenomenon are reported during their experiences, but not to the degree of distress and impairment. While dissociative symptoms are present in near death experiences, they are not present to an extent which would suggest that a dissociative disorder exists (Greyson 2000).

Wish fulfillment is also thought to be one of the elements contained within a personís tendency to dissociate. This is illustrated in the perception of a pleasant afterlife, and the presence of loved ones (Appleby 1989).



False Memories:

It is the belief of some researchers that some near death experiences may be the result of false memories. False memories are created by the mind in response to inactivity of the body. The human mind tries to fill in the gaps after these periods of cortical inactivity. It is possible that the simple act of imagining that one has had an experience, even when the experience has never been encountered, can lead to the development of false memories based on the experienced they have only thought and heard about. The susceptibility of a person to experience false memories is correlated with the tendency for one to dissociate. This tendency to dissociate is in turn correlated to the tendency to report having near death experiences (French 2001).


An Event in Consciousness:

Near death experiences have also been viewed as events within consciousness. The majority of people are seen as living in one level of development. This typical level consciousness is kept steady by the organization of psychological systems. In a near death experience, the threat of imminent physical death triggers and altered stated of consciousness. The person having the near death experience is seen as being thrust, without warning, into new modes of consciousness. These new modes of consciousness contain a diverse range of experiences, loosely categorized as psychic and spiritual elements. These have been reported by people throughout history, and represent a higher order of stages in human development. These levels which are reached are beyond almost all human achievement, but not beyond what could be achieved given the proper conditions. The destabilization of consciousness is believed to allow these people to access unconscious forces which are located within a deeper level of consciousness. These highest stages are the point which human development is believed to aspire to (Quimby 1989).

Throughout history, many diverse practices have been utilized in order to achieve these higher level experiences characterized by near death experiences. Many people have attempted to gain brief periods of access to this higher level of consciousness. Other have searched for a more permanent change by trying to restructure the conscious along developmental lines (Quimby 1989).



Common Features of Near Death Experiences:

There are several common features of near death experiences. The three main elements which are featured throughout the whole of near death experiences are cognitive, affective and transcendental (Appleby 1989).

The cognitive features of the near death experience include the distortion of time, the review of oneís life, and panoramic memory of these events unfolding.

The affective features of the near death experience includes intense feelings of joy and peace, feeling outside of oneĎs body, and visions of future events (Greyson 2000).

The transcendental features of a near death experience include seeing visual images of a heavenly world. This heavenly world is populated by deities, and is often colored by encounters with dead relatives (Appleby 1989).

Other common components of a near death experience include a feeling of separations from oneís body, known as an out of body experience, and the tunnel experience. The tunnel experience is one of passing through a dark, enclosed space. Oneís passage
through this tunnel concludes with the emergence into a brilliant light (Appleby 1989). The sequence of events which an individual is thought to go through during their near death experience starts with the realization of danger. This is followed by an attempt by the
individual to exclude this threatening reality from their mind by replacing it with pleasant fantasies. The regression into a blissful state which is being described is based on the belief that the threatening event is not actually taking place. The out of body experience,
which may be part of the personís near death experience, can be seen as a denial of oneís vulnerability. Wish fulfillment is epitomized by encounters with deceased relatives during the near death experience. The review of oneís life is seen as a vehicle for
resolving old conflicts (Quimby 1989)
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Some of the possible causes of many Abductions experiences is narcolepsy, sleep paralysis, nightmares and of course real physical abuse being repressed. There's also alot of false information being fed to alleged abduction victims as well.


Before NDE's and Abductions can be connected they must first both be proven.





[Edited on 5-7-2004 by Preest]



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