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posted on Jul, 12 2009 @ 03:43 PM
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reply to post by Sk8rDude7
 

Thanks for the help. This is the kind of response I was hoping to generate. Since the PTB are monitoring ATS, this kind of growing chatter about not only the vaccinations themselves but also about the July 27th exercises may be enough scrutiny to cause the exercises to be canceled. That's my hope.




posted on Jul, 12 2009 @ 03:49 PM
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Originally posted by mikerussellus
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Here's something to scare you. All shops, grocers, markets can only sell food, water, smokes, booze to people that have the scar/mark/injection site of the vaccine.

Hows that for a plausible senario?



I'd think it'd more likely be papers. I could easily stab myself with an empty hypodermic.



posted on Jul, 12 2009 @ 03:49 PM
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Originally posted by Studenofhistory
Is it possible that the plan is to cause so many deaths and serious illnesses among the general population from swine flu vaccinations, that the resulting public outrage (maybe riots!) will give the government the excuse to declare Martial Law?


I never even thought of this.. that would seem pretty sufficient if they did..
but hopefully if that is their plan the world will wake up even quicker and stand up for our freedom with Guns in hand and Love on our side.

Sadly however I know the police and the others (military etc) who would be used to control us and/or detain us, would use their new advanced weapons against us.. you know those ones that you can really combat against. I don't know the weapon names but I've seen a couple of 'em in the documentaries of Alex Jones and such.

But I for one, need to go out and buy a gun so that if riots or that SHTF time does happen, I'll take any mother-*'uckers with me who try to take me away to those FEMA camps!!

...SHOOT!... I'd rather die for expressing my eternal freedom than to relinquish what little we are allowed left to express just to visit and possibly die in a FEMA Internment Camp

This basically seems like, The Diseased Part of Humanity, trying to kill itself and for what essentially... money, power, utter control, greed?



posted on Jul, 12 2009 @ 03:51 PM
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I have a 19 year old son and when he was younger, I allowed him to be vaccinated for the usual things like smallpox, etc. So far he's not showing any symptoms thank God but if I knew then what I know now, I would not allow him to be vaccinated for ANYTHING! My advice would be not to vaccinate your child if the authorities will let you get away with it. One of the surprising facts I learned from the Dr. Waterman audio recording (see my original post) was that when the polio vaccine was being used for the first time, France decided not to inoculate it's population and the incidence of polio in France dropped just as much as it did everywhere else. So what we have here is a scientific experiment on a global scale where France was unwittingly the control group and the results show that the polio vaccine made no significant difference to the incidence of polio compared to the control group. ie. it DID NOTHING!



posted on Jul, 12 2009 @ 03:51 PM
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One thing that I don't get about the sterilization conspiracy; if the elites really want to sterilize to slow down population increase (or depopulate), wouldn't they go for somewhere where a lot of kids are born (like india or muslim countries where there's a higher birth rate)? I mean if this was a conspiracy there should be more swine flu cases in these parts of the world (so that theres a larger need for vaccinations)

Unless there's something bigger going on,



posted on Jul, 12 2009 @ 03:57 PM
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Have you ever heard of the Tuskegee experiments? Or, better yet, have you checked out the history of Nazi Germany's medical experiments? The reason that we currently have open heart surgery is due to Nazi experimentation on Jews without anesthetic (ie. torture).

Believe me, there are plenty of doctors out there that would willingly commit genocide in order to push medical advancements and agendas that will pay them high dollar amounts. Family practitioners or not generally the types of people that would willingly do this, but, if they were unknowingly given a vaccine that was tainted and was approved the the WHO (world health organization) they would unwittingly distribute it because their jobs dictate that they should. You are correct that most Doctors are just people too. But, how would they even be aware of the function of the vaccine if these vaccines were approved and distributed world wide in order to "supposedly" combat infectious diseases and ailments? The answer is...they wouldn't.

Just a thought.



posted on Jul, 12 2009 @ 04:00 PM
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I sincerely hope you're right about the outraged population rising up to prevent the total takeover of us all. There seems to be a growing disenchantment within the military about the corruption and abuse of power that they see going on. On the one hand you have the Oath Takers who vow not to disarm the civilian population or obey any illegal order and on the other hand, I'm hearing more and more stories that the grunts being shot at and blown up in Iraq and Afganistan are coming dangerously close to outright mass mutiny.

When the SHTF, we need to figure out quick which police and military personnel are on our side. If enough of them refuse to obey orders for forced disarmament or inoculation, then we stand a decent chance of winning this.



posted on Jul, 12 2009 @ 04:11 PM
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This response to your post is a little bit off topic but Dr. Waterman in his audio interview also talked about a new approach to fighting off any kind of virus and apparently the original source for this new treatment was oh so coincidentally cut off just as the WHO went to Phase 6 regarding the swine flu. Waterman's opinion is that the medical establishment which includes the AMA and the pharma companies, have too much vested interest in the status quo even if that means unnecessary death and suffering. Just look into Royal Rife's anti-cancer breakthrough that was suppressed. How many people died horribly over the intervening decades unnecessarily because of that. Those AMA bastards who suppressed that breakthrough are probably dead now but they deserved to be charged with mass murder and so do those who have committed similar self-serving atrocities in more recent times by either promoting dangerous treatments like vaccines or suppressing new treatments that would make us all more healthy.

IF there is ever a successful revolution against these entrenched elite, corporate and professional interests, there'll be a LOT of payback coming.



posted on Jul, 12 2009 @ 04:16 PM
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Thanks for the help. This is the kind of response I was hoping to generate. Since the PTB are monitoring ATS, this kind of growing chatter about not only the vaccinations themselves but also about the July 27th exercises may be enough scrutiny to cause the exercises to be canceled. That's my hope.


EXCELLENT POINT, THANK YOU VERY MUCH!

We need to continue to get the word out and the PTB will see we are aware of what is going on.....PLEASE CONTINUE THIS THREAD to let them know WE ARE NOT GOING TO TAKE IT ANYMORE!



posted on Jul, 12 2009 @ 04:36 PM
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Originally posted by mikerussellus
reply to post by unfndqlt
 

Here's something to scare you. All shops, grocers, markets can only sell food, water, smokes, booze to people that have the scar/mark/injection site of the vaccine.
Hows that for a plausible senario?


Interesting take on that,
like the mark of the beast?



posted on Jul, 12 2009 @ 04:38 PM
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yes I sincerely hope so as well. Very much so.

Off topic but not really.. its Relevant.
another thing I've thought of, yes its a bit crazy but its possible.

I've been seeing tons of information about these sitings of UFO's and ET's etc recently. So we can deduce that there is a Presence here on Earth of Advanced Beings.. whether they are flying around in UFO's or what have you.

What I feel I understand about truly advanced beings is that they understand LOVE immensely and what it is to LOVE and also that WE ARE ALL ONE, -which is the truth btw, we are all one.

..so If these UFO's and all that other stuff is coming from truly advanced beings, what do you think is their purpose for being here, and for being here in such high density? I mean of course we humans, with all our technology can find a couple UFO's here and there, but Im sure that there are tons more we dont know about and that we honestly do not know what their purpose's and intentions are. I personally believe they are here for very good purposes and they will help Humanity be truly free once again.

basically:

I really would love to think that these UFO's are here because Advanced beings deeply understand what is happening in these times here on Earth. They, as Im sure also understand that the EARTH is a very very important place and that Humans will ruin it if they* do not intervene. I like to think that when the SHTF, these "Aliens", or rather Advanced Beings will intervene and stop all the crap that these people in power are doing, that they will make contact with us in a way that we will understand, that they are all here to help us, not hurt us and that they are and will help us make things right. That these Advanced beings with all their knowledge and advanced technology will put an end to the so called *EVIL* that is going on. but then again who knows? I just would rather see this happen than the sh*t that seems to be coming.

[edit on 12-7-2009 by Sk8rDude7]



posted on Jul, 12 2009 @ 05:05 PM
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There is a lot I could post in response to your UFO comments and if I wasn't so upset about the whole vaccination issue, I would take the time to do so. However, as much as my gentler, more mystical side would agree with you, I believe we need to be more pro-active on this and follow that adage "Hope for the best but plan for the worst". We shouldn't stand back and hope someone else pulls our chestnuts out of the fire.



posted on Jul, 12 2009 @ 05:23 PM
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So the remedy is what? Nano Silver? It is fairly easy to purchase. Anyone else have any other information regarding the remedy Dr. Waterman was suggesting we investigate?



posted on Jul, 12 2009 @ 05:29 PM
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If you dont want the vaccine do what i did, find a doctor thats willing to say/sign that you have had it when you havent (I did this with tamiflu).



posted on Jul, 12 2009 @ 05:49 PM
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It could be interpreted that way. And, now that you mention it, it would be fitting.



posted on Jul, 12 2009 @ 05:49 PM
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It could be interpreted that way. And, now that you mention it, it would be fitting.

Sorry,hit it twice



[edit on 12-7-2009 by mikerussellus]



posted on Jul, 12 2009 @ 05:51 PM
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Scary stuff, I think we are all feeling this, something is afoot and it's something not good.

As for forcing people, it's easy when you have MSM under total control. Anyone that hasn't had a jab will be made out as outcasts and put on the same level as rapists and child abusers, this will get 95% to accept it. The rest of us will have to find way to make people believe we had the vaccination.

If you haven't already I get yourself a supply of Allimax or Alli C.



posted on Jul, 12 2009 @ 05:51 PM
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Originally posted by Bachfin
If you dont want the vaccine do what i did, find a doctor thats willing to say/sign that you have had it when you havent (I did this with tamiflu).


My wife is a nurse.
-nudge, nudge, wink, wink say no more, say no more-



posted on Jul, 12 2009 @ 06:19 PM
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Okay. This is really good information to think about. Reminds me of the I am Legend movie. A friend of mine had two one year old baby horses.
She got these horses by pulling eggs out of the mother, had them fertilized, and put back into serrogate mothers. All of that was very expensive. Once the babbies were of age she had them shipped from Florida back to Ohio. In the end she ended up with three babies from the one mother. Barn calls with vets are very expensive, so when the other adult horses were getting their yearly vaccines, she chose to have the yearlings vaccinated in April. Strangles vaccine made both of the babies
very sick, one of them died. The other almost died. It was very sad.
One wounders should she have waited until they were older, or were they given a bad vaccine? She lost her investment, and the horse lost it's life.
What is everyone's hurry? People need to stay at home when sick, wash their hands frequently all day long, and lets wait and see. It amazes me sick people wandering around at public social events coughing. Gross.



posted on Jul, 12 2009 @ 06:25 PM
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You asked about whether to vaccinate your 13 month old child. See quote below.




2. Do flu shots work?
Not in babies:
In a review of more than 51 studies involving more than 294,000 children it was found there was “no evidence that injecting children 6-24 months of age with a flu shotwas any more effective than placebo. In children over 2 yrs, it was only effective 33% of the time in preventing the flu. Reference: Vaccines for preventing influenza in healthy children." The Cochrane Database of Systematic Reviews. 2 (2008).
Not in children with asthma:
A study 800 children with asthma, where one half were vaccinated and the other half did not receive the influenza vaccine. The two groups were compared with respect to clinic visits, emergency department (ED) visits, and hospitalizations for asthma. CONCLUSION: This study failed to provide evidence that the influenza vaccine prevents pediatric asthma exacerbations. Reference: “Effectiveness of influenza vaccine for the prevention of asthma exacerbations.” Christly, C. et al. Arch Dis Child. 2004 Aug;89(8):734-5.
Not in children with asthma (2):
“The inactivated flu vaccine, Flumist, does not prevent influenza-related hospitalizations in children, especially the ones with asthma…In fact, children who get the flu vaccine are more at risk for hospitalization than children who do not get the vaccine.” Reference: The American Thoracic Society’s 105th International Conference, May 15-20, 2009, San Diego.

Not in adults:
In a review of 48 reports including more than 66,000 adults, “Vaccination of healthy adults only reduced risk of influenza by 6% and reduced the number of missed work days by less than one day (0.16) days. It did not change the number of people needing to go to hospital or take time off work.” Reference: “Vaccines for preventing influenza in healthy adults." The Cochrane Database of Systematic Reviews. 1(2006).
Not in the Elderly:
In a review of 64 studies in 98 flu seasons, For elderly living in nursing homes, flu shots were non-significant for preventing the flu. For elderly living in the community, vaccines were not (significantly) effective against influenza, ILI or pneumonia. Reference: “Vaccines for preventing influenza in the elderly.” The Cochrane Database of Systematic Reviews. 3(2006)
3. What about the new Swine Flu shot?
A new report from a WHO advisory group predicts that global production of vaccine for the novel H1N1 influenza virus could be as much as 4.9 billon doses a year, far higher than previous estimates. The report says that vaccine makers are expected to produce about 780 million doses of seasonal flu vaccine for the northern hemisphere's 2008-09 flu season for the June 12 Announcement: The new H1N1 (swine flu) vaccine is going to be made by Novartis. It will probably be made in PER.C6 cells (human retina cells) and contain MF59, a potentially debilitating adjuvant. MF-59 is an oil-based adjuvant primarily composed of squalene, Tween 80 and Span85. All oil adjuvants injected into rats were found toxic. All rats developed an MS-like disease that left them crippled, dragging their paralyzed hindquarters across their cages. Squalene caused severe arthritis (3 on scale of 4). Squalene in humans at 10-20 ppb (parts per billion) lead to severe immune responses, such as autoimmune arthritis and lupus. Reference: Kenney, RT. Edleman, R. "Survey of human-use adjuvants." Expert Review of Vaccines. 2 (2003) p171.






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