Watch the Waco video the OP posted in his original post. It sheds a lot of new information and cleared up a lot of misconceptions that I've heard about. I never even knew about half this stuff that was kept from the media. This makes me even angrier than I was before. Definitely worth watching.

I have seen the video before and am watching it again.........just because.

There is no doubt, in my mind, that what the government did was WRONG!! I, also, believe those people were simply defending themselves from the raid by government agents.

That being said, I will never condone what happened in OK - for any reason!! IMHO, I do not think Timothy McVeigh acted alone and believe in a Middle Esatern tie to the OK bombing. So many questions left unanswered in alot of events. Ruby Ridge, Waco, OK, William Cooper, etc.

I believe the government lets us see what they want us to see concerning all these events....they waged war on the American people long ago. Too many just do not see it.

Again! Targeting any place that has children around is NOT called for and criminal!! Our government is as guilty of this as Timothy McVeigh was. But the OP needs to idolize our Constitution instead of people such as McVeigh.

Originally posted by PAYBACKCOMESSOON
Timothy McVeigh Deserves a Statue of Honor

He freak'n blew up a day care center! He parked the damn truck right in front of where the day care center was in the building! He was a MORON and a MURDERER of children and innocent adults!

He wasn't a hero. He deserved the death penalty.

I'd love to say what I really think about the notion of giving this guy a statue of honor, but I'm sure it would get me banned for a month or two.

He killed 168 people. How many of them were guilty of something? AND what were they guilty of?

Originally posted by PAYBACKCOMESSOON
If it made you feel better to stand with the government though, have a great day, low life cowards lol. Real heroes these losers are, take the time to make a big time reply, but got no guts to stand for innocent victims, yah yah, tell it to someone who cares, whimpy lil whining nobodies.

And yet you make a thread praising McVeigh, who's one claim to fame is killing many innocent victims.....

Irony is pretty ironic sometimes.

What I'd like to know is, how is advocating killing people(and you clearly are, by calling this man a hero, let alone the threat implied in your moniker), blowing up buildings and sedition, not against the TOS here?

This isn't the first thread by some freak like this, and I'm really disappointed in ATS that they allow it.

All the knee-jerk stuff on here - including the OP - assumes that McVeigh acted alone. That's extremely unlikely. There's a lot of weird stuff swirling around the Oklahoma bombing.

Sadly, a complex situation is being trampled on by the usual pitchfork-toters.

McVeigh was smart enough to quote Justice Brandeis:

"The government is the potent omnipresent teacher. For good or ill it teaches the whole people by its example. Crime is contagious. If the government becomes a lawbreaker, it breeds contempt for law; it invites every man to become a law unto himself; it invites anarchy. To declare that the end justifies the means -- to declare that the government may commit crimes -- would bring terrible retribution."

There are pertinent questions still to be asked.

Why were the other people involved in the attack not prosecuted? Were agents provocateurs involved? Was the truck bomb the cause of all the damage? Why were many of the people who would normally be at work that day absent? Why were most of them from the same unit?

Predictably, people will be flaming the OP for his callowness rather than asking those awkward questions. It's always much easier to wave a torch and a ptichfork than to step back and actually think.

All in all I am not so sure on the Timothy McVeigh being a hero thing. The concept of killing innocent people regardless of what the point to be proven or enforced is, is flat out wrong. Now moving on, I did watch the events of Oklahoma City unfold, and quite frankly, I do not believe Timothy McVeigh did in fact "bomb" the building. Comparatively to 9/11 I believe the delivery of the truck by Timothy compares to the planes flown into the WTC. The destruction of the building and consequently the killing of those in the building was done by other means. You do not need a masters in demolitions to know a truck filled with an ammonium nitrate mixture is an omni-directional explosive, yes powerful powerful, but still omni directional. Did anyone notice the lamp post standing only a few feet from the crater? Globe still intact unbroken? Then of course the damage to the building itself, sheared upwards, not smashed in as a charge placed in front of it would do. Then the 2 unexploded charges found inside the building during rescue operations later explained away as dummy explosives that ATF uses for practice?

Timothy McVeigh in my opinion was nothing more than another pawn being used to further a higher agenda. Just like Pearl Harbor.. Kill innocent women and children, consquently piss off the American public into demanding something be done. give up freedom for security, there we go!! At the time militia movements were publicly gaining strength and that makes government nervous, so we will have innocent women and children die under the guise of a "militia action" thus turn the public against the idea of militia, just as the media put it in that day "a bunch of middle aged overweight rednecks that like to play with guns and hate the government..."

Timothy McVeigh, hero? no. His "record" in the wiki? probably as 'prepared' as the building was to go boom. Martyr perhaps, and more likely in the Bahamas or someplace enjoying a new life and identity for doing such a nice job for his leadership. - Just a thought...