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A notice to those who oppose or have a problem with the Gay Rights Movement

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posted on Jul, 12 2009 @ 03:13 PM
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Hey I know you are cool as a cucumber that is why it has helped me to understand your side better. I dont expect you to stop fighting and that is not my point. I agree strike while the iron is hot, but if more people were like you and handled it calmly with fact and real life stories I think it would be better for both sides.




posted on Jul, 12 2009 @ 03:19 PM
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I completely agree, but it just seems to be a defect in the human condition to villify those who do not view the world as we do. This topic is just another glaring example of this. Another is to lump all individuals in a group together because of the actions of one or a few. All homosexuals are deviants because one hit on me. All 9/11 truthers are nuts because one posted bogus evidence. All Christians are evil hypocrites because one acted in a non-christian manner. And my personal favorite, all muslims are evil because Osama bin Laden and Al Queda are muslims. It's just humans being human! Someday we may evolve beyond this, but that day is not today!



posted on Jul, 12 2009 @ 03:20 PM
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Originally posted by tothetenthpower
I mean, bigot is a big word, means that you are actually refusing to change your views on the subject, and you have no tact when expression your idiotic and childish ideologies.


Ok, maybe it's just me but I have a hard time distinguishing that definition from a lot of what I've seen posted on this thread.

This is coming from someone who hardly anyone ever suspects is gay. Most people I meet do not know, I don't particularly care to tell them, and it's absolutely no different than if I WERE straight. So reading so-and-so say he doesn't like gays because they are always in his face, when I don't even know anyone like that, well, like I said, I have trouble not seeing these people as bigots.



posted on Jul, 12 2009 @ 03:25 PM
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Yeah humans are a difficult bunch. It is easy to group people together and hard not to. It is just how the brain functions and the importance to it to establish patterns to protect from future pain.

Really, my only other thing I have to say is that being a former Christian myself, you will never change their minds by quoting the Bible, because there are other parts that contradict your whole message.

The best thing you could do is explain to them how not having certain rights hurts you in real ways that they can identify with. Like the example you gave of your friend dying and not being able to have his lover be around because of the family blocking it. By and large Christians are lovin people and if you can help them understand why certain limits are harmful to you in a way they can relate to then most of them will start to identify more with your goals. However, that is just my opinion and not based on any hard facts.



posted on Jul, 12 2009 @ 03:25 PM
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Originally posted by bsbray11

I guess so much of the bigoted science has been overturned by now (it's no longer considered a "mental disease," etc.), they really have nothing to go on now.

If you ask a Nazi to defend their views rationally, it won't be done, either.

What it boils down to is these bigots need more love in their life. They're too hateful.


And I really, really, really doubt that gay people are always up in comte's business. Unless he goes to a gay bar, which sounds somewhat unlikely to me. I'm gay, know many gay people, and that just isn't how anybody rolls. Like I said, unless you go to a gay bar.

My guess is that something is being blown out of proportion because comte fears he might be gay himself and just doesn't want to be reminded of it!


To me the gays are the Nazis. Everything you said in your post applies to gays. If you don't sympathize with the gays you are made an object of ridicule and scorn.

Gays are bigots. They hate everything not gay.

Gays cannot rationally express their views. They resort to name-calling and even calling other people gay, like it's an insult. Like that Perez Hilton calling that guy a 'fag' when he got punched in the mouth. Why do gay people call other people 'fag' to be insulting? I don't know. Maybe a gay person can explain that one.

Oh, and just because YOU don't know someone like that means that there must not be anyone like that in the whole world, right? Get real.

BTW, I'd just like to point out that I feel that gays should have the same rights to get married as anyone. I'm not against Gay Rights. I just don't agree with the lifestyle choice. Sorry if that offends the gays.

[edit on 12-7-2009 by TheComte]

[edit on 12-7-2009 by TheComte]



posted on Jul, 12 2009 @ 03:32 PM
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That is so not true! Almost all of my friends are straight. I listen to Rock music, watch straight oriented TV show, etc. etc. etc. You are making generalizations based on a few individuals. By that logic, I could say that all straight people only like things that are straight, which would not explain the long run that the show 'Will & Grace' enjoyed from mostly straight audience.



posted on Jul, 12 2009 @ 03:32 PM
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I'd have to disagree.

I think I have expressed my views quite rationaly and so has JaxonRoberts throughout this thread.

You're logic is lumping all of us into the same category, your prejudices are very strong friend.

We are not Nazis, far from that. I will agree that there are those who don't have any "TACT" as I keep stating over and and over again.

It's a matter of environment, the more opressed you are, the more likely you are to lash out when somebody of the opposing view point oppresses you.

I apologize, but I have seen far more "anti" gay statements in this thread than pro gay ones. And to my knowledge there are only a handful of actual "gay" people who openly talk about themselves on these forums.

~Keeper



posted on Jul, 12 2009 @ 03:32 PM
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A few weeks ago we had a Gay Love In" here at ATS about how animals are gay so the logic went that being gay must be more in line with the norm than being straight.

They want us to tell our children that being gay is ok when they use flawed logic like that? Golden opportunity my arse...

And the band played on was a fictional story too right? Give me a break...


[edit on 12-7-2009 by northof8]



posted on Jul, 12 2009 @ 03:34 PM
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That thread wasn't about gay being more natural that straight, you should have perhaps read the OP and then make an educated statement friend.

What that thread showed is that homosexuality is NATURAL among all species on Earth, when the population becomes too big.

That was all it said. And why wouln't you tell your children than being gay is ok? Would you opress your own child for on the simple matter of sexual orientation?

~Keeper



posted on Jul, 12 2009 @ 03:44 PM
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Yes, I am generalizing. How can you not with a topic like this? You are generalizing the non-gays. Of course we can't talk about each individual gay or straight person.

Explain why Perez Hilton called will.i.am a 'fag' and not any other derogatory name? This coming from an "advocate for gay rights."


Hilton, who has presents himself as an advocate for gay rights, said he was approached by will.i.am at the downtown club Cobra after the Much Music Video Awards.

The rapper asked Hilton to stop being disrespectful to the band, to which Hilton said he called him "gay" and a "faggot."

"I knew it was going to set him off," Hilton later said in a video post.


www.ctv.ca...



posted on Jul, 12 2009 @ 03:46 PM
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Originally posted by TheComte
To me the gays are the Nazis. Everything you said in your post applies to gays. If you don't sympathize with the gays you are made an object of ridicule and scorn.


I'm not surprised. A weak-minded Nazi would probably whine when confronted about their bigotry towards Jews and blacks. What's the difference?

Despite all the people who dislike bigots, no one has ever legally limited your rights in particular, or actively discriminate you in public, etc. Maybe if you stopped raising hell about nothing, and trying to make it even more miserable for people such as myself, people will stop bothering you about being such a bigot in the first place? Kind of like, if you don't want it, don't ask for it. OF COURSE someone is going to say something when you attack a vital part of their personal character.


Gays are bigots. They hate everything not gay.


I can say with authority that you have no idea what you are talking about.

Stop talking like every single gay person is exactly the same. Stereotyping is a bigoted thing to do. You are like a walking definition of the word.



posted on Jul, 12 2009 @ 03:48 PM
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Originally posted by northof8
A few weeks ago we had a Gay Love In" here at ATS about how animals are gay so the logic went that being gay must be more in line with the norm than being straight.


What about guys with naturally bleach-blond hair? It's also natural, by definition, just like gay animals, but it isn't "the norm," as you put it. So does that make it wrong, too?



posted on Jul, 12 2009 @ 03:48 PM
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Case in point. I never made anything miserable for you, and yet you call me a Nazi. You are generalizing. You are as bad as you're making me out to be, just on the other side of the fence. Really, you're not doing your community any favours.



posted on Jul, 12 2009 @ 03:48 PM
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So you are going to argue your opinion of homosexuals, by using the one Gay celebity that's a complete idiot and really isnt' a gay rights activitst at all, but a child who was given his own webpage to write crap about celebrities with?

That makes alot of sense. And gay's using the word fag, ammounts to the same thing as African American's using the N word amongst each other.

They were able to take a derogatory meaning and implement it among their culture as a positive thing.

Try again..

~Keeper



posted on Jul, 12 2009 @ 03:50 PM
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The difference here is animals don't know any better and are running on instinct alone. Somehow we are supposed to follow that logic and attribute the nasty things human homosexuals do as normal?

So, now the OP in his or her infinite wisdom tells me I have a golden opportunity to tell my child that homosexuals are really nothing more than animals? I agree... I have always agreed with that line of thinking.

And the Band Played on is a great reference I gave both my children when the homosexuals invaded the school system. My kids know exactly what the agenda is. They don't need me to form their opinions for them.

Unlike the closed minded "ATS Gay Love In crowd" we actually read and debate the facts of reality in the real world...

"And The Band Played" on is a great indictment of what that sick part of our society represents and was written by a homosexual. I remember when it came out. The guy got death threats from his own community. Very civilized....



posted on Jul, 12 2009 @ 03:52 PM
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Sorry, is that will.i.am gay? I don't know. But, I'm afraid you are still wrong. He used the word in a derogatory way because he knew it would 'set him off.' Not in the sense you are saying with the N word. That is not used in a derogatory way. Totally different context, I would say.

So you try again, or not. Perez Hilton says he is a pro-gay advocate. Who are you to say he's not.



posted on Jul, 12 2009 @ 03:52 PM
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Originally posted by TheComte
Case in point. I never made anything miserable for you


You're right, but only because I know you aren't going to limit anything I do in my life.

However, it IS annoying to see such ignorant things spouted about my sexual life and how you THINK it relates to you, which is completely wrong and confuses me. And despite you throwing the accusation back at me, you are most obviously stereotyping and lumping all of us together, and see nothing wrong with that apparently. Because you are ignorant.

I didn't call you a Nazi, I compared you to them. And I will continue to do so as long as it's a relevant example. Do you seriously think they have a good reason for being the bigots THEY are? There is not much someone could say to you, is there? You don't WANT to accept homosexuality. That's what makes me think you just don't like being reminded of its existence. It doesn't matter whether anything you say is logical or not, it's about how you FEEL. Which just makes me wonder who it is that I'm actually talking to...


[edit on 12-7-2009 by bsbray11]



posted on Jul, 12 2009 @ 03:55 PM
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Originally posted by TheComte
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Sorry, is that will.i.am gay? I don't know. But, I'm afraid you are still wrong. He used the word in a derogatory way because he knew it would 'set him off.' Not in the sense you are saying with the N word. That is not used in a derogatory way. Totally different context, I would say.

So you try again, or not. Perez Hilton says he is a pro-gay advocate. Who are you to say he's not.


Uh no he's not, and again, Perez is an idiot.

Perez can say whatever he wants. I can say I'm Asian, still won't make it true.

He's the prime example of the problem within the gay community, our image and our fight.

The fact that you use him only shows me that you are very much in tune with what the Media and the religious biggots spew about us day in and day out.

No self respecting, true pro-gay activist would ever consider Perez to be part of the movement, because he's a celebrewhore.

~Keeper



posted on Jul, 12 2009 @ 03:58 PM
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What do you mean animals don't know any better? My cat knows not to jump out the 6th story window cause that will lead to his death.

And we don't operate on the animilistic side?

Perhaps you should read up on your biology. The part of the brain that is MOST active in the human body, is the portion they call the Lizard Brain, and it's primary functions are instinct.

We use our Upper Cortex, but we don't live out of it. WE ARE ANIMALS.

I'm sorry if you missed the memo, but just because we have thumps and walk upright doesn't make us any more special than the other species on the planet.

~Keeper



posted on Jul, 12 2009 @ 03:58 PM
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Originally posted by northof8
The difference here is animals don't know any better and are running on instinct alone.


So why would they have homosexual instincts again?




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