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A notice to those who oppose or have a problem with the Gay Rights Movement

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posted on Jul, 12 2009 @ 01:07 AM
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Originally posted by Skelkie3
Sorry , but.
Who cares ?
Sex obsession of any type's for kids.


Why does everyone always turn everything into sex? Nothing in this entire thread is about sex, everything in this thread is people arguing over if being gay is right or wrong. Has nothing to do with sex lol.

well in a way I guess it kind of does because I think all these anti gay people only have a problem with gay people because of what they do in their bedrooms. Why are straight people so worried about what gays are doing in their bedrooms? Makes no sense to me, me thinks some of these "straight" people who are so worried about gays have something to hide.

Maybe they are jealous? lol

Edit: and I just read a post from someone in here suggesting a "lynching" or some crap. Thats disgusting. And funnily enough the guy that posted that just happens to be from the south. God I'm glad I don't live there anymore, the most bigoted hateful place in the world. I'm married to a black girl and have a mixed daughter and lets just say it was HELL living down there. We lived in a pretty much all white town, my wife was and daughter was the only black people there, the rest where a bunch of crap kicking rednecks. Worthless scumbags. Some of the most scared stupid people I have ever encountered. They think everyones trying to ruin the white race lol. I have news for them, in about 200 years "white" people won't even exist anymore. We will all be mixed, and it will be the better. These racist idiots have to accept that. And do these people not realize that civilization started in africa and that the original man was most likely black? lol I bet that boils their blood.



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posted on Jul, 12 2009 @ 01:10 AM
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Semper Fi

Not to get off of subject but I'm sure we've all heard of that NY Guardsman Officer that was dismissed because of "Don't ask / Don't Tell" which is such a joke anyway. Crap like that pisses me off because It's already hard enough to get someone to make that commitment , people outside of the military have a problem with it , most people in the military understand the game. We had a couple of guys that were gay and they were some of the most Motivated Gung Ho dudes in the battalion. Same thing with our Doc , we tossed Black jokes and gay jokes back and forth because thats how the military is , and he was openly gay. And you can guarandamntee when one of us yelled "Corpsman Up" His ass was there in a heartbeat.



posted on Jul, 12 2009 @ 01:11 AM
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Here is what you are essentially teaching your child...

"

Look, son, you see those men? They are different. We're all different.

Some people choose to worship Satan, and some the one true God.

Some people listen to music that is demeaning to women, or is self-destructive, or promotes violence against others.

Some people believe that it is acceptable for an older man around my age to have sex with a young boy around your age if both consent (THINK: NAMBLA).

Some people think that male-on-male sodomy for the explicit purpose of pleasure and self-indulgence is acceptable.

Some people believe that Moses, who led Israel (God's chosen people) and Paul (who was a faithful and obedient apostle of Christ) were liars and bigots, therefore negating their favor from God according to the commands of God through his only begotten son Jesus, who also was a deranged liar.

But it's ok, son. We're all different, just like them.

"

Shame!



posted on Jul, 12 2009 @ 01:14 AM
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Ok, so I'll admit I couldn't be bothered to read through this after the first couple of pages when it started to descend into the Orwellian Hate-speak...

"Marriage" - ok, so if you want to be married in the eyes of your god then somewhere you'll find a priest (etc) to do it, there are tolerant religious leaders out there. If you're going for the Atheist view then, no worries (I hope)... every human that is in a loving, caring relationship should be able to "Marry" as they wish... I think people are getting too caught up on the etymology of the word though.
As far as I'm concerned, to me marriage means "I'll be with you forever, if you get hit by a car tomorrrow, spend the rest of your life in a wheel-chair, I'll be there for you because I love you and you mean enough to me to spend the rest of my days with you"... I've been lucky enough to meet that person and unlucky enough to lose them.

Overtly gay guys??? Chest-pounding (?) Queens, camping it up? Nah, I'm fine with them too, they may be a bit hyper for me, but if I'm in the gay-district, you know, not my territory, go for it. I'm a 5'10", tattooed skinhead and I like to hang out in my local "gay district" because it's fun! Granted, I'll only go there once every month or so, but it's a good night out and I enjoy catching up with some folk. I tend to attract guys that like young(ish - 32), well-built tattooed guys, but generally it's all good, sometimes it can get a little bit too much for me, but I guess that applies to women much more in a hetero environmeny and I'm getting a lot better at saying"No thankyou".

Chrimminy, live and let live. A guy in drag doesn't offend me, a straight-acting gay guy doesn't offend me, a tranny, a lesbian... nah, doesn't offend me, most of them great people.

You know what, from all my experiences in that "environment" - I've met some really nice people, that share similar concerns, the day-to-day things, work, relationships, paying the bills... etc.

Just people.



posted on Jul, 12 2009 @ 01:16 AM
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Oh you said "GAY rights" I thought you had said "GRAY rights"...nevermind...



posted on Jul, 12 2009 @ 01:21 AM
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Originally posted by fleabit


Reminds me of a queer eye for the straight guy episode where they were watching one of their "charges" shower prior to asking his wife to be to marry him. They were commenting on his shaving technique (which I thought was ludicrous), and then one of them was commenting about his body and making suggestive comments. On a prime time show. It was disgusting. Why the double-standards? If that was a guy OR girl making comments about the opposite sex, they'd be crucified. But because they were gay, it was "ok" for some reason.

Just a bevy of my thoughts about gay folks, and gay rights, etc.


lol uhhh what are you talking about? Just about every single thing on television is straight people hitting on eachother and about sex and stuff lol. They wouldn't be crucified because its already all over tv! Just look at all these crappy ass dating shows on like VH1 and mtv and crap, ITS ALL ABOUT SEX and its all people hitting on eachother. Much more extreme than anything on queer eye (although I've never seen that show, but I can't imagine it being much worst than these dating shows that are blatantly just about F'ing, isn't queer eye just a "gay makeover" show or something?)

I'm straight and I don't like those "straight" dating shows, I don't like any dating shows.

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posted on Jul, 12 2009 @ 01:30 AM
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Originally posted by Blanca Rose

Originally posted by JaxonRoberts


For those who object to it because your children might see it, eventually they will be exposed to it, and probably when you are not around. You are also missing a golden opportunity to teach your child(ren) something very valuable.


I think it depends where people live, if their young children will be exposed to it or not. Where I am living now, this definately would not happen, but their are known gay inidividuals around. While they are not discriminated against by neighbors, they don't show public displays of affection.

I'm also curious as to what age you think it is ok for children to be exposed to this? You gave a nice example of a talk one might have with their children, but unless you are actually a parent, it isn't so easy.

Children ask a billion questions when they are small, and I know for myself, being a mother of 4, that I would have a hard time explaining this to them, so, while I am acceptant of your situation, you have to realize that your suggestion might not fly with a lot of parents.



Its not that hard to explain I have a 10 year old daughter and I have a uncle that is gay and shes asked about him and I simply said "he is gay, he is attracted to men". Its really not that confusing and I don't think I like warped her mind or anything by telling her that.Much better than saying "he is evil, he is a sinner, hes going to burn in hell" like I'm sure a lot of religious people tell their kids. That is just plain wrong, sorry to say.

Of course we also live near san francisco and there are gay people everywhere here and its pretty accepted here. Its not a weird or taboo thing here at all.

Just be honest with your kids. I think anyone who tells their kids stuff like "they are unnatural and they are all sinning" and stuff like that is messed up in the head. How could you tell your kid to hate another human being? That is so disgusting.

You people can teach your kids whatever you want, but I will NEVER teach my child to hate. (and I'm not saying you tell your kids this stuff, but I know a lot of people do)

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posted on Jul, 12 2009 @ 01:32 AM
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Originally posted by JaxonRoberts
Not only have you simply explained the situation, but you have begun to instill in your child(ren) their own individuality and that they need not conform to the will of others.


You mean sort of like how we who despise homosexuality need not conform to the will of others?


Originally posted by JaxonRoberts
To those who object to homosexual behavior due to their religious beliefs (mainly Christians as I've seen you in the religious threads), I would remind you that Jesus gave you only two commandments:


He gave us more than two commandments. These are the greatest two, since they sum up the entirety of the Law.

Love God and love neighbor. But love for God means loving his law...and his law and his teaching includes making no room for homosexual sex acts, nor the toleration of them.

And if I love my neighbor, I must love them in terms of God's law...not just according to what's popular today, or according to what squishy feeling of sentiment I have in my heart. And though I should treat my gay neighbor with lawful respect, that does not mean I change my intolerance of homosexuality or homosexual sex acts.


Originally posted by JaxonRoberts
I would also add:

37 Judge not, and ye shall not be judged: condemn not, and ye shall not be condemned: forgive, and ye shall be forgiven

Luke 6: 37

All words atributed to Jesus himself. If you are truly a Christian, then these words out trump any others from the Bible, as you should have a duty to follow the words spoken by Jesus himself before all others in the Bible.


Two issues here...first, doctrinally orthodox believers hold the rest of the Bible to be the Word of God as well as the quotations of Jesus' words in the Gospels and Revelation. In other words, the book of Obadiah is no less in value, divine origin, or divine authority than Jesus' discourse in the Sermon on the Mount.

So, rather than fitting us to a Procrustean bed and declaring victory, you should know that we who hold to the inspiration of Scripture have no issue with the harmony between Jesus' teaching on judging others on the one hand and despising the breaking of God's law against homosexual sex on the other.

Second, the judgment and condemnation spoken of by Lord Jesus in this passage has nothing whatsoever to do with tolerating lawless behavior in society. (Lawless in terms of God's law.) It has to do with interpersonal strife and nastiness toward your neighbor. Looking down your nose on someone else because of their moral failings and elevating yourself because of your self-perception of righteousness. This is what the Pharisees were guilty of. And this is what Jesus condemned.

But Christians are not to be carried about by the shifting winds of social acceptability. Our standard, even if you hate it...even if you disagree with it or think it's written by mere men...our standard is Scripture. Not whatever is fashionable. And where this standard clashes with another worldview, there are going to be sparks. Sorry. That's just how it's going to be.

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posted on Jul, 12 2009 @ 01:44 AM
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I have been in plenty of anti/pro-homosexuality, rights issue debates in person and threads on multiple sites. They tend to drag on, often evoking a lot of emotion and name calling. I was not going to get involved in this one, although I do enjoy reading the post by everyone else, but the OP seemed reasonable in request and discussion for the most part, so I will give my views on the subject.

First off, I do believe that marriage is a spiritual rite and personal commitment. The government gets involved basically for tax purposes. As such, I think the government should get out of the marriage business and agree to recognize it as a domestic partnership, this would allow for any two consenting adults to join together for tax, or benefit purposes. As I said, ANY two consenting adults, male-female, male-male, related or not, Two adult male friends, two adult sisters, same legal coverage.

That is about as far as I go for support of homosexuality.

I do think that homosexuality is natural, but should not be accepted. It is a sexual deviance, in that it deviates from the sexual norm. I do lump homosexuality in the same category as bestiality and pedophilia. Both of which I would also consider natural but abnormal. In the animal kingdom, animals will on occasion have sex with a separate species. Therefor, for a human to want to do the same is natural. It should not be considered acceptable by society though. The same holds for pedophilia. Both have occurred throughout human history as well, with there acceptability changing periodically and from one group to another. Homosexuals tend to get offended at being lumped together with these groups, and I can understand, but there situations are the same.

At the same time, it can also be a result of behavioral modification based upon some experience, often in early life.

Following this line of thinking, I will explain why bothers me the most about homosexuality. It is not because there are people who have a natural, or behaviorally modified persuasion to that lifestyle, but that for some reason, society is being encouraged to accept it as a normal, to some extent encouraged, behavior. This continued trend of accepting things as normal that should not be is what I have determined to be a major factor in the ever steepening decline in America as a nation and society.

Additionally, a normal male and normal female role is the best for raising children, and that is what should be encouraged by society. I disagree with any form of homosexual adoption as such. That is not to say that a homosexual person cannot be a good provider, or loving parent to a child. I do not want to hear about all the children left unwanted in orphanages that could be adopted by homosexuals, I could write pages in a thread on issues with adoption in the US but it isn't going to happen in this thread.

As a veteran, likewise, I think that the don't ask, don't tell policy is the best compromise for the military and homosexuals. The military is set different from civilian life for a reason. One aspect of the military is a concept of honor, something that cannot be enforced on the civilian side. As I have said homosexual behavior is not something that should be accepted as a normal way of life, I would equate that to dishonorable to do such.

So to boil it all down, any two adults of any association should be able to enter into a legal partnership. The government should get out of the marriage business altogether. Gays, single or partnered, should not be allowed to adopt. Don't ask, don't tell is the best possible policy for the military.

Religion does not play a factor in my reasoning for my beliefs. Yet from my interpretation of the bible, as the argument has already been made here, love the sinner not the sin. I am not versed well enough in other religions to interpret from the perspectives of other faiths.

And as Ulala posted, I do think that there is some distinction between homosexuality and gay. I agree that gay equates to effeminate behavior by a male, as such abnormal. Thus, to say something is gay, is to say it is abnormal, unacceptable, or as odd as a male behaving effeminately.

I do find flaming homosexual characters in entertainment at times funny. In person, it is annoying, and a little creepy.

As you and others have said here, there has been homosexuality for as long as there has been humanity. More often than not, it has been 'in the closet' and that seems to work best for society as a whole.



posted on Jul, 12 2009 @ 01:45 AM
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I just read someone saying that all gay people care about is sex or something, well thats all straight people care about basically too lol. When it comes to relationships me personally I like having sex with my wife, who doesnt like having sex? lol. Anyone who says they are only having sex to have a baby is lieing. Sex is fun.

Some of you are insinuating the only reason straight people have sex is to have a baby, well I have a kid. But we only had sex a few times to conceive her, all the other times where just for fun. And anyone who says they don't have sex for fun is lieing.

But I also love my wife dearly, and most gay people love their partners a lot too.

So if having sex for anything other than conceiving a baby is considered a sin, well all of you are sinners then. Cause I gaurantee there isnt one single person in this entire thread who just has had sex to have a kid. lol. Stop lieing to yourselves.

And speaking of gay people adopting children, I just want to say I know a lesbian couple that has a adopted kid and they are GREAT parents. I also know quite a few straight couples who have kids and they aren't the greatest parents.

So your sexual preference has nothing to do with how you will raise a kid, that is just absurd. And I know you guys probably think gays shouldn't adopt kids cause they will molest them or something, well that makes no sense, straight people molest their kids too. There are messed up people in both sexual preferences. And gays are not more prone to that type of behavior like some of you seem to think. Most gay people I know are attracted to older people or people their age, their aren't into kids or teenagers or anything. But I do know LOTS of straight guys who LOVE teenage girls (girls who are like 17 or 18)... so whos the real perverts?

And someone said all gays should just stay in the closet and that would make society better.. how the HELL does that make sense? That is just plain stupid. So you are saying anyone who is different than you should just hide who they are? Maybe in the state where you live it would better off like that, but not where I live. And i'm happy with that.

People should NOT be ashamed of who they are, whter they gay, straight, black, white, pink, purple, yellow... WHATEVER! Be PROUD of who you are and don't let any stupid old aging dieing rednecks tell you different. All of these people with old world views will be dead soon and their kids will be dead soon after that, and eventually we won't have so much hateful idiots in the world.

And I don't care if you a veteran or what you've done for the country, if you are hateful and hate people just because they are different than you are a SCUMBAG. Sorry to say.

Can any of you name one single negative thing a gay person has done towards you? You probably can't. But I can sit here and make a HUGE list of all the hate negative things people have done towards gays.

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posted on Jul, 12 2009 @ 01:54 AM
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Yeah no joke. Understanding "The Game" is what it is all about. Once a month without fail we would have a sexual harassment briefing. Sure as shet it would cover discrimination against other gay or lesbian military members which is a complete fooking joke since the military instantly kicks gay and lesbian military straight out the door.

Someday Sailors, Soldiers and Airmen...and Maybe someday even the Jarheads
will hold courage, dedication, integrity and maybe some brainwashing in higher regard than someones sexual preference.



posted on Jul, 12 2009 @ 02:25 AM
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Originally posted by walman
Here is what you are essentially teaching your child...

"

Look, son, you see those men? They are different. We're all different.

Some people choose to worship Satan, and some the one true God.

Some people listen to music that is demeaning to women, or is self-destructive, or promotes violence against others.

Some people believe that it is acceptable for an older man around my age to have sex with a young boy around your age if both consent (THINK: NAMBLA).

Some people think that male-on-male sodomy for the explicit purpose of pleasure and self-indulgence is acceptable.

Some people believe that Moses, who led Israel (God's chosen people) and Paul (who was a faithful and obedient apostle of Christ) were liars and bigots, therefore negating their favor from God according to the commands of God through his only begotten son Jesus, who also was a deranged liar.

But it's ok, son. We're all different, just like them.

"

Shame!


Are you saying its shameful to teach your kids to accept people who are different? Thats just stupid. In my opionon its shameful to teach your kids to think that, thats disgusting. How could anyone tell a kid to hate people?



posted on Jul, 12 2009 @ 02:26 AM
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Nobody hates gays more than Muslims. They kill them regularly in their countries, usually by hanging. Christians are an easy target these days it seems.

Get rid of the hate by tackling the largest source of it first.



posted on Jul, 12 2009 @ 02:35 AM
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The issue of gay rights sure can be devisive.

I have spoken to some who thought gays were the most horrible human beings on earth; others jumped all over me when I advocated that evidence suggests that homosexuality is a genetic mutation. Apparently, homosexuals dislike the word "mutation" (because they seem to think that mutation equates to being defective), while others dislike the mention of "genetic" (because it supports there being a lack of choice as to natural sexual preference). I got it from both sides on that one.

Much like the trait of blues eyes appears to be a genetic mutation, homosexuality may be a similar mutation. I certainly would not attack somebody for having blue eyes.

I am not sure why the word "marriage" should be redefined to include unions between the same sex. When I proposed "civil unions," (with the same rights as heterosexual marriages) on one gay posting site, I was informed in no uncertain terms that it was unacceptable. The goal was to achieve equal rights by obtaining the right "to marry." It seems that for some there is less emphasis on obtaining the rights and more on changing people's acceptance of the gay lifestyle.

Perhaps the reverse should be pursued. Perhaps the law should only recognize civil unions and do away with the word, "marriage." In that event, if couples wanted to characterize their civil unions as "marriages," they would be certainly free to do so. All such unions would be upheld based on simple contract law.

After much deliberation and without emotion, I have come to the personal opinion that the prohibition of same sex "marriage" does not violate equal protection. All men, heterosexual or homosexual, are not allowed to marry the same gender. All women, regardless of sexual orientation, are not allowed to marry the same gender. All consenting adults can marry members of the opposite sex - again, regardless of sexual preference. In all honesty, I see no discrimination.

Tolerance seems necessary here. We cannot legislate away what adults do in the privacy of their homes. Likewise, we cannot legislate what people feel and believe in their hearts. People have the right to hate, love, or be indiifferent - but not the right to commit violence against others, or otherwise break the law, because of that hate, love or indifference.

It seems that religious organizations can or should be allowed to bar people from their organizations based on sexual orientation if that organization believes it violates religious principles and edicts to allow such people to participate.

Thus, gays and lesbians are free to form religious organizations that, for example, bar all heterosexuals if it violates their religious beliefs.



posted on Jul, 12 2009 @ 02:40 AM
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I appreciate your post. You had the character to recognize public display is inappropriate. That is noble and courageous. Unfortunately most postings by the "Gay Rights Movement" appear to be highly intolerant of highly manipulative and insidious in nature. Not sure what "Right" you imagine you don't have. The nature of the world is such that people need to earn a living and express their inclinations. They can do that without public displays, and have their private life and it is no ones business so long as no unwilling party or their property is harmed or interfered with which includes brainwashing of society including children. It seems from the perpetual barrage of manipulative posts by the "GRM" that homosexuals tend to be unhappy with themselves and their lives. Most topics are, as I say, manipulative. One could almost stereotype them as “homojews” or self pitying homosexuals. If you where content with yourself and your lifestyle you would simply be happy living it and letting other people live theirs. Instead, it is manipulation after manipulation after manipulation seeming to try and gather support for some fictional righteous cause. Just be happy with yourself! Live your life as a demonstration of being happy and true to yourself in silence and you will set a good example by nature if you are capable of it and that is indeed your state of being. But the GRM seems to have the ultimate goal of maximizing targets of opportunity for themselves by destroying anyone that objects to homosexuality and luring as many people (children) into the play field and future playing feel with anything but noble intentions.

Gays have create a bad image for themselves for several reasons. First they have never been grateful for heterosexuals wanting them to have their freewill/freedom. All that has ever been heard of is manipulation, retaliation, vindictiveness, etc..They have manipulated "psychology" from the academic and clinical levels to try and label people who don't like homosexuality as "disturbed". This is not acceptance, nor tolerances, nor understanding, nor compassion, it is an attack against freedom and free thinking. Petty manipulation such as “homophobia” have shown the homosexual community as villainous in nature. Like everything else that is intended to degrade humanity via food, water, thought, law, politics, it is, for sure, that pro-homosexuality is a being managed for that very purpose. What virtue it might have you should be aware it is certainly being cultivated for ulterior motives. The "All created equal" argument is yet another manipulation. So far as the list of historical figures, they aren't important persons and not high class spirits just marketing tools. Gays have gone so far as to claim the relationship or nature of real higher class spirits such as Rumi and Shams Tabriz was homosexual which again shows and ignorant and low class nature with complete ignorance of high class spiritual beings.

So far as minor displays of affection. In India, for example, people of the same sex who are good friends often walk down the street holding hands. There is nothing sexual about it. But unfortunately “lust” is the very definition of homosexual.

To help you understand, my friend, let me point out that you are, by nature in a disadvantaged situation so far as argumentation goes. The homosexual, by definition, declares themselves as a person who places crotch adoration above all else. You don’t define a relationship as first and foremost love and friendship, no, you declare it as a love of your crotch. Ultimately, selfishness lust masquerading as love. Well, other lovers of their crotch include, adulterers, transvestites, transexuals, bestiality, gigolos, adulterers, pedophiles, rapists, whores, serial murderers, copraphiles (like Hitler), necrophiliacs (like Alexander the Great) and other maladies. Yet you can’t figure out why anyone would every relate a homosexual with any of these other activities. Some how, you can’t figure that your very cause is anything but a noble one. Your cause, is in the same category with the most base of ignorance. Your welcome to it, but you seem to think it must be promoted as virtue not understood.
Your heart is in the middle of your chest, your third eye, where your spirit enters the body is at the root of your nose, you know where your crotch is. Why do you think it’s a virtuous, righteous cause for anyone to promote drawing their consciousness and spirit downwards?

Here’s an analogy for you.
A guy walks down the street carrying a bucket of dung in one hand and a cup in the other. Periodically, he scoops up some dung and slurps it up. Now the public sees that for what it is and puts the guy in jail. But, out of the goodness of their hearts, they realize that if the guy just does it at home it’s not their concern. Well, instead of saying thank you, because of their arrogance and deceived state of consciousness, they take their new found freedom as a power to promote dung slurping as a virtue. They infiltrate education and sure enough those who don’t see dung slurping as a virtue are somehow mentally ill. They institute national dung slurping day in schools and take the kiddies to the zoo. At the chimp exhibit, sure enough, the chimp is pulling it out of his rear and chowing down. At the gorilla exhibit, the gorilla has a nice big wad he’s chomping on. They point out to the kids, look, it’s natural. Now the dung slurper actually does enjoy eating dung, they think it’s the nectar of the gods and they perpetually promote ideas like this person or that person from history loved dung or “All people are created equal”, the founding fathers said so and you’re an “American” so you must love and accept dung eaters and therefore have no objects to dung eating. But all the time, dung eating is what it is. Despite the various rationals put forward to try and sanitize and gentrify society to total acceptance and approval, reality remains the same. But reality is not where the dung eater lives. So to him dung eating is the nectar of the gods and a virtue to promote.

Now should you be offended at my analogy? Sure, why not. Your human. Am I your enemy? No, I’m more your friend than anyone at a gay bar or GRM meeting who wants you to just make them feel right about themselves or has deviate social motives you can’t even imagine. After all, your part of the “army of the righteous”.

The mind is a terrible liar. We are in a world of great darkness, we are all deceived. Since every worldly activity is nothing but the perception and consumption of our own spirit and because of the low state of our existence, it is very easy for people to be deceived. The pleasure obtained from any activity it nothing more than the brief concentration of spirit outwards preceding dissipation. Note the recent posts about “natural implies it must be accepted as right”. This implies a very fundamental naiveté about this world, your body and your consciousness. You are the spirit. The sensual energy, the sensation is your spirit. It can be used downwards and outward or inwards and upwards. When it concentrates within itself, it is some measure of bliss. Bliss is not lust, not pleasure. Pleasure is the concentration of spirit as it is flowing en mass via dissipation through matter. Pleasure is always outward and downward and following by pain which is the perception, not of the concentration, but of the dissipation of the spirit. Pain can occur without concentration as in a cut, but pain (usually dull) always follows pleasure. It is waste and it is why we are all suckers (no pun intended) at the hands of the devil and maya (illusion). They feed off of pleasure and pain, not bliss. We are always being preyed upon and suggested to in order to feed these entities and their minion.

The greater the concentration of spirit into itself (bliss) , and with the proper focus of attention, the higher the state of consciousness by pure proportionalit



posted on Jul, 12 2009 @ 02:41 AM
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Well, it seems you were taking shots at my post without a direct address, and via edit instead of a new post which I almost missed but let me address your opposition.

First, I never made a claim that homosexual individuals cant be good people or incapable of raising a child. I said they shouldn't be. The reason goes back to my indoctrination of society that is in process for homosexual and other inappropriate behavior/lifestyles. A child growing up with a homosexual as a parent, especially if they are what could be considered a good parent, they are either directly or indirectly being brought up to accept their parents lifestyle as normal and acceptable. Which it shouldn't. I also did NOT say that a heterosexual couple or person guarantees a loving or good parent.


So you are saying anyone who is different than you should just hide who they are?
To answer the question, no. Differences are good. Some behavior however, should not be and is not acceptable, but in private, go ahead. Case-in-point, farting. Silly analogy, but I hope the point can be made. Wanna sit in your room ripping'em until your nose hairs are burned, go right ahead. Sitting in the booth at McFastfood, not appropriate or acceptable. If you don't like that I will try to find you a better one



People should NOT be ashamed of who they are...

Wrong. This hits at the heart of the problem. Shame is real, and should exist for thing. Another example of appropriate shame, a ship is sinking, not enough lifeboats. A 40 year old man takes the last seat on the last boat before a 10 year old, or woman. Shameful. Shame exists to further encourage us to do right. The idea of a shameless world, is one where anarchy rules.


...if you are hateful and hate people just because they are different than you are a SCUMBAG.
I would agree that someone who hates someone, especially due to the fact that there is a difference, is stupid and may qualify as sumbag. I don't hate homosexuals at all. Nor do I hate someone because they differ with me on something.



posted on Jul, 12 2009 @ 02:44 AM
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I dont really care if somone's gay unless it's in my family, but other then that it's your decesion. And I find it just strange in a weird way how two MEN can be so comfortable with eachother it's totally strange and weird to me, idk thats just me if i ever see a gay couple lol.



posted on Jul, 12 2009 @ 02:44 AM
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Originally posted by Wolf321
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Well, it seems you were taking shots at my post without a direct address, and via edit instead of a new post which I almost missed but let me address your opposition.

First, I never made a claim that homosexual individuals cant be good people or incapable of raising a child. I said they shouldn't be. The reason goes back to my indoctrination of society that is in process for homosexual and other inappropriate behavior/lifestyles. A child growing up with a homosexual as a parent, especially if they are what could be considered a good parent, they are either directly or indirectly being brought up to accept their parents lifestyle as normal and acceptable. Which it shouldn't. I also did NOT say that a heterosexual couple or person guarantees a loving or good parent.


So you are saying anyone who is different than you should just hide who they are?
To answer the question, no. Differences are good. Some behavior however, should not be and is not acceptable, but in private, go ahead. Case-in-point, farting. Silly analogy, but I hope the point can be made. Wanna sit in your room ripping'em until your nose hairs are burned, go right ahead. Sitting in the booth at McFastfood, not appropriate or acceptable. If you don't like that I will try to find you a better one



People should NOT be ashamed of who they are...

Wrong. This hits at the heart of the problem. Shame is real, and should exist for thing. Another example of appropriate shame, a ship is sinking, not enough lifeboats. A 40 year old man takes the last seat on the last boat before a 10 year old, or woman. Shameful. Shame exists to further encourage us to do right. The idea of a shameless world, is one where anarchy rules.


...if you are hateful and hate people just because they are different than you are a SCUMBAG.
I would agree that someone who hates someone, especially due to the fact that there is a difference, is stupid and may qualify as sumbag. I don't hate homosexuals at all. Nor do I hate someone because they differ with me on something.


I actually wasn't talking about you. I hadn't even read your post til a second ago. And I didn't mean my post to sound rude or anything and I wasn't even aimed at you. I am just kind of in a bad mood right now for reasons unrelated to anything on here, and I admit sometimes when I feel bad I come online and type out big rants
. You are entitled to your opionon.


[edit on 12-7-2009 by jeasahtheseer]



posted on Jul, 12 2009 @ 02:49 AM
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Originally posted by WolfElyts
I dont really care if somone's gay unless it's in my family, but other then that it's your decesion. And I find it just strange in a weird way how two MEN can be so comfortable with eachother it's totally strange and weird to me, idk thats just me if i ever see a gay couple lol.


Unless its in your family? So you would hate a family member just cause they are gay? What if when you have kids they turn out gay, what would you do?

and this question goes to ALL of you... what if your kids turn out to be gay, what exactly would you do? I bet a good amount of you would literally try to "beat the gay" out of your kids and disown them and all kind of evil crap.

This is a serious question. All of you preach all this anti gay stuff, but what if you kids are gay? And you can't control if they are gonna be gay or not, you can preach to them their whole lives, but if they are gay they are gonna be gay. Nothing you can do about it.

Look at dick chaney hes like the worst human on the entire planet and he has a lesbian daughter and even he accepts her! lol.

[edit on 12-7-2009 by jeasahtheseer]



posted on Jul, 12 2009 @ 02:51 AM
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I apologize for my assumption. Hopefully my reply will be a good addition to my original for the sake of discussion.



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