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Originally posted by Mumbotron
Why would anyone want to skip degrees like:
19 degree: Pontiff (clearly blasphemy towards Catholicism)
24 degree: Prince of the Tabernacle (don't Christians give Jesus that title)
28 degree: Knight of the sun adept (obvious connection to solar worship and, well Satanism among other things- Paganism...)
Originally posted by Mumbotron
You altruistic Masons with your combined wealth could put a rail system and a few highways in Africa for what you probably spend on hors d'oeuvres in a month worldwide thereby solving the problem of starvation in Africa forever. Good work guys.
Originally posted by Mumbotron
Obviously since you already know I'm not a Mason I can't claim to know the inner workings of your 'elevation process'. For example it took my cousin 5 years to reach Master mason(3rd degree for those who don't know).
Originally posted by network dude
In the state of NC you have 6 months between degrees to memorize the work and return it. You can ask for a 6 month extension if you have a good reason, but I have never heard of someone taking this long. I am not sure it is allowed. Is it possible you are mistaken?
From the Oxford English Dictionary, Pontiff could mean "1. Originally: a bishop of the early Western Church. 2. A chief or high priest of any religion."
Originally posted by Mumbotron
Why would anyone want to skip degrees like:
19 degree: Pontiff (clearly blasphemy towards Catholicism)
Googling for "Prince of the Tabernacle" and "Jesus", I see no indication that Christians give Jesus that title. Can you cite a source I might be missing?
24 degree: Prince of the Tabernacle (don't Christians give Jesus that title)
Um, no.
28 degree: Knight of the sun adept (obvious connection to solar worship and, well Satanism among other things- Paganism...)
In entering upon a new series or division of the degrees of the Ancient and Accepted Rite, we are still in pursuit of good, and labouring for the destruction of evil, following the same laws as those laid down in the two preceding degrees, and taking another bold step toward the purification of our own souls, and sowing, for others to reap fruits of eternal happiness.
This degree is founded upon certain apocalyptic mysteries relating to the New Jerusalem; it rests upon the three characteristic virtues taught in the Eighteenth degree, and proclaims the Alpha and Omega.
The degree of Prince of the Tabernacle illustrates the ceremonies of the Priests in the ancient Temples, and explains the esoteric meaning of their many avocations in equipping the Temple and sustaining their various sacerdotal duties. This degree is most intimately connected with, and should be considered a continuation of, that of the Chief of the Tabernacle. The especial duties of a Prince of the Tabernacle are to labour incessantly for the glory of God, the honour of his country, and the happiness of his brethren; to offer up thanks and prayers to the Deity in lieu of sacrifices of flesh and blood.
(all external quotes from The Book of the Ancient & Accepted Scottish Rite of Freemasonry (1884) by Charles T. McClenechan)
If the sacred Scriptures are inspired, God himself has told us that he makes good and creates evil. It is owing to human vanity that no man has ever dared to reason with common sense on this subject Man pursues, tortures, and kills the most innocent animals, birds, and fishes, to gratify his appetite, or for mere pleasure. He crushes thousands of insects without a thought of wrong; nay, he destroys, as does every other animal, myriads of animalalae and infusoria daily, unconsciously, and without being able to avoid it. Throughout the whole scale of animal creation, one creature lives by devouring another, and every step taken, or movement made, or breath drawn by each, crushes out life. Pain and sickness, calamity and death, are the lot of all created beings.
The world teems everywhere with life, and is peopled with innumerable myriads of beings sensitive to pain. It was not created for man alone; and it is not only precisely what the divine and perfect wisdom intended, but it is all that a material world, peopled by beings with material bodies, could by possibility be. The millennium on this earth is the real Utopia, fabulous and impossible, of visionary dreamers. Man is what the Deity meant he should be-imperfect, feeble, fallible, liable to err, and sensitive to pain, but capable of improvement and progression, and of a heroism that can smile at agony, be content with destitution, preserve an equal mind under the lash of injustice, and without unmanly fear await the approach of death and count the pulses of his life. The man who can do this has attained the equilibrium of faith and reason, and may claim to be called Magus, Prince, Adept, and Knight of the Sun.
Originally posted by JoshNorton
Indeed, why WOULD someone want to skip them entirely. Hopefully I'll get around to seeing all the degrees performed at some point or another, but to do them all would take a considerable amount of time.
Originally posted by network dude
but the sad thing here is that most are not interested in the "teachings of masonry" as they would most certainly be lies.
Originally posted by network dudeAnd if we started a thread about the teachings of masonry, there would be no conspiracy aspect of it and therefore not belong here. It's a catch 22.
Originally posted by network dude But for your enjoyment, I started this thread after finding out through the member Suzque66 that a secret group had formed and is trying to bolster membership for the sole purpose of disrupting the flow of information regarding masons.
Originally posted by network dude Now I could really care less about that kind of kids game, but since I do come here looking for a good discussion on occasion, I thought it would be a fun time to try to entice these folks to come and identify themselves. They have not and so what I can see is no harm done.
Originally posted by network dude If there is any aspect of masonry that you would like to talk about, please feel free to ask in this thread or start a new one, and I can almost guarantee that the masons on this forum would be glad to talk about things that don't involve made up fantasies.
Originally posted by network dudeAnd I actually gave Suz a compliment on the way she handled the group. This thread was in no way a slight on her.
Originally posted by Masonic Light
Originally posted by Mumbotron
Why would anyone want to skip degrees like:
Degrees are not "skipped". They are given back-to-back at events called Reunions, which usually last a couple of weekends. Master Masons go in, begain at the Fourth Degree, and receive the degrees in sequence until they reach the 32nd.
19 degree: Pontiff (clearly blasphemy towards Catholicism)
The 19th degree has no relation to Catholicism.
24 degree: Prince of the Tabernacle (don't Christians give Jesus that title)
Not to my knowledge.
28 degree: Knight of the sun adept (obvious connection to solar worship and, well Satanism among other things- Paganism...)
All religions are based on solar worship, *especially* Christianity. "Satanism" is simply a reaction against the hypocrisy of modern Christianity, and has nothing to do with Freemasonry.
Originally posted by Masonic Light
Originally posted by Mumbotron
You altruistic Masons with your combined wealth could put a rail system and a few highways in Africa for what you probably spend on hors d'oeuvres in a month worldwide thereby solving the problem of starvation in Africa forever. Good work guys.
You non-Masons could do the same with the money you spend on Big Macs. Good work guys.
Originally posted by Mumbotron
My guess is you haven't read Morals and Dogma.
I left it out before but why not add it in now...
25: Knight of the Brazen Serpent.....come on
I probably don't need to tell you that your members are most of the richest people in western society.
Originally posted by network dude
reply to post by Mumbotron
if you are going to question a mason on this board about things like Pike, I would suggest picking on an easier target. Masonic Light is one of the more learned one here when it comes to those subjects. Best to pack a lunch.
I am going to grab some popcorn.
Originally posted by RuneSpider
reply to post by Mumbotron
So, seeing as how there are several lists of famous masons, list some of the current, richest members, then.
Also, show where they are spending enough money internally to finance Africa.
Also, explain why Masons in the US should support Africa. Keep in mind the hospitals, libraries, and financial aid institutions put in place by Masonry.
Now, Africa has Grand Lodges as well, and they probably do similar as they do in the States.
Originally posted by RuneSpider
So, seeing as how there are several lists of famous masons, list some of the current, richest members, then.
Also, show where they are spending enough money internally to finance Africa.
I hope you're not holding your breath.
Just to clarify, I don't hate anyone... not Masons, not anti-Masons, not even anti-Semites or people prone to being somehow abusive.
Originally posted by Mumbotron
I really have nothing against you guys... for real. As far as people (not myself) having a problem with Freemasonry, there are a litany of reasons. It is a well known fact that Freemasonry is in conflict with the Catholic faith. There's a fantastic historical reason for this IMHO, namely the fact that the Catholic Church would do away with anyone who opposed their doctrine in the old days, people like Galileo. So you guys got together to discuss the truth in secret out of self protection. I really don't have an opinion here or there about your degrees, their significance or whether your rituals mirror the practices of witch-craft and Satanism.
[edit on 15-7-2009 by Mumbotron]