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Excellent documentary. Made all the more interesting by the fact that it was stitched together by a Jewish group. Star and flag for finding and
sharing it.
Stunning Documentary Clearly Shows Israeli Involvement in 9/11 Attacks And More, page 1
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Topic started on 11-7-2009 @ 04:53 AM by Truth4hire
INSERTED 21:26 local time
Before I say anything else:
The film below is NOT made by Andrew Winkler, it was posted on Google video by a user who referred to Ziopedia.org, the site of Andrew Winkler.
I assumed Michael Delaney & John Martinson were part of Jews Anonymous, but this turns out to be FALSE. Michael John Delaney is clearly NOT a Jew and seems to have strong feelings of hate against the Jews. John Allen Martinson, Jr. was the person who did the voice-over.
I am not helping here am I?
Even though, I will leave the link up, because it contains very, very strong verifiable pointers to Israel & Mossad with regards to 09/11, and exposes a lot of "dual-citizensips" (i.e. U.S.-Israeli in high places in government and security). I wish I could forget about the messenger, but viewing their material I must distance myself from their methodology. This does, however, NOT invalidate the verifiable information parts presented which I will sum up at a later date.
I apologise, it was not my intention to be misleading, it seems I was mislead myself as to the origins of this video, which ultimately can to be found here.
www.911missinglinks.com...
I wish this material was made by someone with a more neutral background, but it is what it is. My initial post will remain intact and can be found below.
ORIGINAL POST:
DISCLAIMER: This is NOT an Anti-Israel thread, nor an Anti-Jew or Anti anything thread. The author does not care about nor hate any ethnic group including but not limited to: Christians, Jews, Muslims, Zionists, Nazis (including Neo), Atheists, Buddists, or any other group ending in -ist. This is about who was responsible for the September 11, 2001 attacks and why.
A Sydney based, self proclaimed dissident Jewish anti Zionist group called Jews Anonymous led by Andrew Winkler decided to put all evidence surrounding 9/11 into a stunning two hour long documentary. The fact that the trail clearly leads to Israeli makes this all the more interesting.
This contains more (credible) information than I have ever seen (and I have seen loads) surrounding the links between the attacks, the why, who and how. As far as I can tell this is from reliable sources, even when the presentation is a bit dramatic and the music annoying at times. Winkler's JA seems to know a lot more about the last 50 years than you, I or anyone else.
I am not saying more at this point, please watch if you are interested and see if your jaw drops as mine did at times. I saved a copy on my ext-HD just in case someone decides to remove this doc.
If you are disputing individual parts, please state the time where the subject starts for easy reference se we can disuss.
I know it is long, but... please be patient, you will not regret it...
References to Jews Anonymous:
www.thetruthseeker.co.uk...
Winkler articles here www.thetruthseeker.co.uk...
With only 2,090 references in Google, you might say they are not very well known yet.
Some further viewing for those interested:
T4H
[edit on 11-7-2009 by Truth4hire]
Before I say anything else:
The film below is NOT made by Andrew Winkler, it was posted on Google video by a user who referred to Ziopedia.org, the site of Andrew Winkler.
I assumed Michael Delaney & John Martinson were part of Jews Anonymous, but this turns out to be FALSE. Michael John Delaney is clearly NOT a Jew and seems to have strong feelings of hate against the Jews. John Allen Martinson, Jr. was the person who did the voice-over.
I am not helping here am I?
Even though, I will leave the link up, because it contains very, very strong verifiable pointers to Israel & Mossad with regards to 09/11, and exposes a lot of "dual-citizensips" (i.e. U.S.-Israeli in high places in government and security). I wish I could forget about the messenger, but viewing their material I must distance myself from their methodology. This does, however, NOT invalidate the verifiable information parts presented which I will sum up at a later date.
I apologise, it was not my intention to be misleading, it seems I was mislead myself as to the origins of this video, which ultimately can to be found here.
www.911missinglinks.com...
I wish this material was made by someone with a more neutral background, but it is what it is. My initial post will remain intact and can be found below.
ORIGINAL POST:
DISCLAIMER: This is NOT an Anti-Israel thread, nor an Anti-Jew or Anti anything thread. The author does not care about nor hate any ethnic group including but not limited to: Christians, Jews, Muslims, Zionists, Nazis (including Neo), Atheists, Buddists, or any other group ending in -ist. This is about who was responsible for the September 11, 2001 attacks and why.
A Sydney based, self proclaimed dissident Jewish anti Zionist group called Jews Anonymous led by Andrew Winkler decided to put all evidence surrounding 9/11 into a stunning two hour long documentary. The fact that the trail clearly leads to Israeli makes this all the more interesting.
This contains more (credible) information than I have ever seen (and I have seen loads) surrounding the links between the attacks, the why, who and how. As far as I can tell this is from reliable sources, even when the presentation is a bit dramatic and the music annoying at times. Winkler's JA seems to know a lot more about the last 50 years than you, I or anyone else.
I am not saying more at this point, please watch if you are interested and see if your jaw drops as mine did at times. I saved a copy on my ext-HD just in case someone decides to remove this doc.
Google Video Link |
If you are disputing individual parts, please state the time where the subject starts for easy reference se we can disuss.
I know it is long, but... please be patient, you will not regret it...
References to Jews Anonymous:
www.thetruthseeker.co.uk...
Winkler articles here www.thetruthseeker.co.uk...
With only 2,090 references in Google, you might say they are not very well known yet.
Some further viewing for those interested:
Google Video Link |
T4H
[edit on 11-7-2009 by Truth4hire]
reply posted on 11-7-2009 @ 02:34 PM by Truth4hire
Originally posted by Lazyninja
reply to post by Truth4hire
Excellent documentary. Made all the more interesting by the fact that it was stitched together by a Jewish group. Star and flag for finding and sharing it.
I must hang my head in shame as it turns out the makers are not Andrew Winkler & JA....
I'll leave it up anyway because it does make some strong points.
Just one highlight at around 1:08:00 is the link between Mossad control of American Computer networks via PTECH Quincy Mass. A small software firm who in 2001 served US Army , USAF, FAA, IRS, NORAD, NATO, FBI, SS White House via Guardium & MITRE (who had SU access to NORAD, FAA & USAF).
The problem is that now you will find youself again in a hate discussion and anti-semitic argument you simply cannot win. Pity.
I will do my best to post link by link with cross references from verifiable sources. This goes a lot further than "just" 9/11.
[edit on 11-7-2009 by Truth4hire]
reply posted on 13-7-2009 @ 12:00 PM by prothink
As creator of the film Missing Links I wanted a chance to respond to some of the misconceptions and common rumors floating around about me and my
views and why I choose them. It is only fair because if we are here to SERIOUSLY seek the truth no matter how UGLY it might be than a real discussion
is the only way that can happen. Hopefully ATS will give me the benefit of defending myself on here without doing exactly what the MSM and others have
done when hard topics are brought up, censor and shut someone up. I would like to say that I HATE spending too much time on forums because all it
breeds is a bunch of like minded people on a limited market speaking to the 'choir' instead of doing activism on the streets (this is not always the
chase but the point still stands true) and bringing NEW people to the table.
Truth4hire:
I find this strange that people feel only a Jew is justified to tell us issues that deal with Jews/Zionists/Israel as if someone non-Jew is not qualified in speaking in these issues. The reason I started/own/operate the 2 websites jackbernstein.blogspot.com... and benjaminhfreedman.blogspot.com... is because I was 'brainwashed' to believe I needed to "bow" down to another Jew to prove any conspiracy that had to deal with Jews. This is absolutely absurd. We certainly wouldn't do this if say the Chinese owned our central banks, did 9/11, etc and say only the Chinese are 'authorized' or someone the only ones respected enough to respond to issues dealing with them, this would be foolish.
I would like to say I appreciate you posted the video but you posted a horrible audio/video AND an outdated version of the film. I recently put 50+ hours in correcting issues with the film and have it posted on the Missing Links site.
I noticed you posted a video below Missing Links by SnowshoeFilms with Kevin Barrett who are BOTH my personal friends. I have spent many of times at the Josh of SnowShoeFilm's house and lived 2 blocks from him. I have also had Barrett at my house and have met him personally many times plus he interviewed me on his radio show last September about Missing Links. Sorry but I don't have the archive posted online but I do have it still.
Truth4hire:
I'm sorry but I didn't ONCE here anything in the film I made about 'hating Jews'.
Truth4hire:
You are ABSOLUTELY RIGHT! The problem is no one is willing to have REAL conversations on issues that go further than 9/11. I have seen many times issues that cant be discussed on this forum and easily shutdown as 'anti-semitic talk' which is just another term to shut people up like the MSM does when it calls people "9/11 conspiracy theorist".
imd12c4funn:
Who are you expecting to give you a 'true' investigation? Isn't the work that investigative reporter Chris Bollyn did considered some good 'investigation'? How about the thousands of people like yourself how have investigated it? Or are you and some others waiting for the same criminal cabal to justify what you already know to be true? This is the same mentality that must be broken like I stated earlier about bowing down and expecting only a Jew to justify crimes having to deal with Jews/Israel/Zionism. cont
Truth4hire:
I assumed Michael Delaney & John Martinson were part of Jews Anonymous, but this turns out to be FALSE. Michael John Delaney is clearly NOT a Jew and seems to have strong feelings of hate against the Jews.
And
I must hang my head in shame as it turns out the makers are not Andrew Winkler & JA....
I find this strange that people feel only a Jew is justified to tell us issues that deal with Jews/Zionists/Israel as if someone non-Jew is not qualified in speaking in these issues. The reason I started/own/operate the 2 websites jackbernstein.blogspot.com... and benjaminhfreedman.blogspot.com... is because I was 'brainwashed' to believe I needed to "bow" down to another Jew to prove any conspiracy that had to deal with Jews. This is absolutely absurd. We certainly wouldn't do this if say the Chinese owned our central banks, did 9/11, etc and say only the Chinese are 'authorized' or someone the only ones respected enough to respond to issues dealing with them, this would be foolish.
I would like to say I appreciate you posted the video but you posted a horrible audio/video AND an outdated version of the film. I recently put 50+ hours in correcting issues with the film and have it posted on the Missing Links site.
I noticed you posted a video below Missing Links by SnowshoeFilms with Kevin Barrett who are BOTH my personal friends. I have spent many of times at the Josh of SnowShoeFilm's house and lived 2 blocks from him. I have also had Barrett at my house and have met him personally many times plus he interviewed me on his radio show last September about Missing Links. Sorry but I don't have the archive posted online but I do have it still.
Truth4hire:
The problem is that now you will find youself again in a hate discussion and anti-semitic argument you simply cannot win. Pity.
I'm sorry but I didn't ONCE here anything in the film I made about 'hating Jews'.
Truth4hire:
I will do my best to post link by link with cross references from verifiable sources. This goes a lot further than "just" 9/11.
You are ABSOLUTELY RIGHT! The problem is no one is willing to have REAL conversations on issues that go further than 9/11. I have seen many times issues that cant be discussed on this forum and easily shutdown as 'anti-semitic talk' which is just another term to shut people up like the MSM does when it calls people "9/11 conspiracy theorist".
imd12c4funn:
without a true investigtion, all the evidence in the world is moot.
Who are you expecting to give you a 'true' investigation? Isn't the work that investigative reporter Chris Bollyn did considered some good 'investigation'? How about the thousands of people like yourself how have investigated it? Or are you and some others waiting for the same criminal cabal to justify what you already know to be true? This is the same mentality that must be broken like I stated earlier about bowing down and expecting only a Jew to justify crimes having to deal with Jews/Israel/Zionism. cont
reply posted on 14-7-2009 @ 09:31 PM by Skadi_the_Evil_Elf
Well. Watched the whole video. The music sucked. But aesthetics behind...
The problem with this video is that it inserts some good solid information and facts into a churning soup of innuendo and speculation that is presented as fact. And sometimes, it is outright false information given.
Such as the claim that only three Jews died on 9/11. I think it was about 17 minutes in. False.
9/11 victims list
Simply reading through that list will TONS of Jewish names. Alot of Jews died that day. Odigo might have sent a warning to some employees, but obviously, as we can see, they sure as hell weren't warning the entire jewish community of new York.
There were some good parts, such as the USS Liberty incident, and pointed out the fact that Mossad has capabilities to infiltrate and sucker terrorist organizations was good.
However, like many people who criticize Israel, they fall into the trap of painting Muslims as blameless, innocent victims, when in actuality, they are no more innocent than the Israelis.
Generally, the video did not state or display any evidence or information that I have not seen and heard a million times before. Yes, there is a very strong pro-Israeli lobby in Washington, and Israel has its fingers deep in our pie. It is not a country I trust as America is my first and foremost concern, not some little middle eastern dustbin.
However, the video seemed more pushing the idea that Jews are evil, that Jews everywhere are secretly plotting to push forward Israeli interests at the expense of their home nations, and this is simply not true.
There is a core of such Jewish individuals, but they are small entity of their own, more like a powerful cult than anything. They certainly do not promote the interests of the majority of Jews, and in reality, most Jews suffer from their plots and antics just as the rest of us do.
This is my impression, and as I said before, I've heard the majority of this. I do believe that there was strong Israeli involvement in 9/11, but they were not the only players. However, I see this more an attack on Jews, casting the whole lot of them in a very sinister, nasty light, something that reminds me of the nazi/white nationalist propoganda former associates and friends of mine used to try and feed me.
The problem with this video is that it inserts some good solid information and facts into a churning soup of innuendo and speculation that is presented as fact. And sometimes, it is outright false information given.
Such as the claim that only three Jews died on 9/11. I think it was about 17 minutes in. False.
9/11 victims list
Simply reading through that list will TONS of Jewish names. Alot of Jews died that day. Odigo might have sent a warning to some employees, but obviously, as we can see, they sure as hell weren't warning the entire jewish community of new York.
There were some good parts, such as the USS Liberty incident, and pointed out the fact that Mossad has capabilities to infiltrate and sucker terrorist organizations was good.
However, like many people who criticize Israel, they fall into the trap of painting Muslims as blameless, innocent victims, when in actuality, they are no more innocent than the Israelis.
Generally, the video did not state or display any evidence or information that I have not seen and heard a million times before. Yes, there is a very strong pro-Israeli lobby in Washington, and Israel has its fingers deep in our pie. It is not a country I trust as America is my first and foremost concern, not some little middle eastern dustbin.
However, the video seemed more pushing the idea that Jews are evil, that Jews everywhere are secretly plotting to push forward Israeli interests at the expense of their home nations, and this is simply not true.
There is a core of such Jewish individuals, but they are small entity of their own, more like a powerful cult than anything. They certainly do not promote the interests of the majority of Jews, and in reality, most Jews suffer from their plots and antics just as the rest of us do.
This is my impression, and as I said before, I've heard the majority of this. I do believe that there was strong Israeli involvement in 9/11, but they were not the only players. However, I see this more an attack on Jews, casting the whole lot of them in a very sinister, nasty light, something that reminds me of the nazi/white nationalist propoganda former associates and friends of mine used to try and feed me.
reply posted on 18-7-2009 @ 04:29 PM by Truth4hire
reply to post by Skadi_the_Evil_Elf
Good points, pity Mike has not come back.
I really think there are some very incriminating links between Israel (Mossad) and the 9/11 attacks. The fact that so many highly ranked officials hold dual-citizenship with Israel is a BIG eye opener.
You will not find that on Fox I tell ya.
Good points, pity Mike has not come back.
I really think there are some very incriminating links between Israel (Mossad) and the 9/11 attacks. The fact that so many highly ranked officials hold dual-citizenship with Israel is a BIG eye opener.
You will not find that on Fox I tell ya.
reply posted on 22-7-2009 @ 11:52 AM by doodiepants
Some relevant info concerning this issue and link to facts that point away from the idea that this is even feasible.
4000 evil jews planned 9/11
And well, I though it was pretty entertaining!
4000 evil jews planned 9/11
And well, I though it was pretty entertaining!
reply posted on 22-7-2009 @ 01:50 PM by Truth4hire
Originally posted by doodiepants
Some relevant info concerning this issue and link to facts that point away from the idea that this is even feasible.
4000 evil jews planned 9/11
And well, I though it was pretty entertaining!
76 Jews died according to usinfo.state.gov, so? only ONE Israeli citizen died.
And this is information leading away from the original claims?. Please, send me more & thanks for confirming my suspicions by using an "official" government site.
WTC7, the smoking gun that just will not go away until the traitors are rounded up
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