Originally posted by argentus
It's a Constitutional issue
If it’s a constitutional issue then it should be challenged by constitutional evidence, which as the other previous lawsuits have shown, could not
be proven. Until there is a lawsuit that proves that Obama is constitutionally ineligible these lawsuits won’t get anywhere.
Merely labelling it as a sour-grapes rightwing movement or "fringe" really doesn't address the issue
Regardless of whether the rightwing fringe are sour grapes over the elections or just hateful or concerned in the fairest sense it is the
constitutional evidence that is relevant under the court of law. Thus far none has been provided for these lawsuits to get some ground. You hold the
constitution in your hands, yet you don’t cite anything relevant to prove your accusations.
One lawsuit said during the 60's foreign children were able to attain a Hawaiian birth certificate; truth is the law regarding that only came in
place following 1982, before that you had to have been born in the US to have attained a birth certificate.
Another past lawsuit argued Obama attained Indonesia citizenship, due to Indonesian laws you had to give up your US citizenship thus making Obama
ineligible, however the laws at the time of Indonesia disprove this fact as Obama was too old to automatically gain Indonesian citizenship as he
resided there less than 6 years, over the age of 5. In addition his natural born citizenship does not recognize the laws of other nations so it was
irrelevant. Regarding his attendance in public school his step father obviously lied because the laws did not allow under any circumstance Obama to
gain Indonesian citizenship.
Yet another lawsuit came out arguing his Kenyan/British dual citizenship where the constitution forbids.... however Obama lost his Kenyan citizenship
at the age of 21 as he did not give up his natural born American citizenship. The laws of Kenya at the time were also not recognizing by the US in
anyway thus the laws there did not affect Obama. The constitution also states dual citizenship at the time of running for the presidency.
And then there was one lawsuit that argued that his mother was too young to pass her citizenship on to Obama when he was born.... yet Obama was born
on US soil in any case so he is by all means natural born, in addition the marriage of his mother and father was not valid as his father was already
married in Kenya, so any complications there don’t work out. This notion that somehow Miss Dunham went to Kenya at such a young age, 8-9 months
pregnant, had Obama there, then rushed back makes no sense, especially considering his announcement in the Hawaiian papers at the time, that required
you to have a birth certificate.
The only arguments that are left apart from the debunked ones are speculative at best. His trip to Pakistan to which Pakistan actually did not ban US
tourists as many claimed. His supposed grandmother’s audio tape which actually turned out to be his estranged step-grandmother who said Barrack
Obama senior was born in Kenya. The of course, there is the allegations of his deception, his multiple identities, which really go around the realm of
story telling. Obama had another name before, yet him as a child can hardly be blamed for the actions of his folks.
And then of course lastly it’s the "why doesn’t he just show his long birth certificate" which is a moot of course because there will always be
something he will need to show to somebody. Also given the fact not every president in the past can be accounted for presenting their long form.
This lawsuit now, where are now claims suspicions regarding social security numbers, is something the plaintiff should then show us. By all means if
somebody wants to prove something they have that right, yet like the lawsuits before, this is another hype attempt, attention grabber and nothing
argentous you say this needs to be settled, what makes you think in your mind that the rightwing fringe will settle with Obama as president, ever?
There will always be issues, always be some accusation, and when one is debunked, there is something else. I hardly think the president should waste
his time until somebody actually comes up with legit evidence.
I hope you took the time to read what I posted here, as well as the others, and I will try my very best to read with an open mind the concerns of
others here, but thus this just highlights the reasoning behind my attitude of the whole situation, and the attitude of the rest of the world.
Implicating a government cover-up only merely works as an excuse for the lack of evidence behind the accusations.
[edit on 11-7-2009 by Southern Guardian]