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reply posted on 11-2-2003 @ 01:37 PM by ultra_phoenix
Originally posted by Bout Time

1) You're a good man in your intentions, just confused to think that, with 50 years left of oil for the world, Bush & Co. shares your perspective or anything remotely resembling good natured.

2) Democratic? To a part of the world that has NEVER had that form of government?

3) This is exactly what I believe will happen:
www.idleworm.com...


1) Eer, my wife think that I'm a good guy too. But I'm NOT confused.

2) Sure, why not ? In germany, democratia was also new.And it worked. So, why not with Irak ? Are you telling that they are not able to have a democratic behaviour and that they still have to grow up a little bit ?

3) And me, I don't believe that it will happen. Anyway, if it have to happen, I don't understand why you are so afraid. You know perfectly that these guys just want to kill us all. It will give us a good occasion to wipe out all these fanatic and we will set up democratic gov everywhere in the M.E.

I just hope that they will not use any nukes. Because I know that we'll have to retaliate, and in this case....

But it's the worse scenario ! We are not going to nuke the whole world.It didn't happen before and it will not happen now. The Chicom wll not sacrifice Peking for Baghdad and the Russian will not sacrifice Moscow for Baghdad.

I don't believe in your scenario.


reply posted on 12-2-2003 @ 02:33 PM by triplesod
Originally posted by mad scientist
Originally posted by triplesod
Ahhh, so America went to war (after a good few thousand deaths already, why didnt you join earlier?) To help and to save lives did you? Right, so it had nothing to do with being attacked by teh Japanese then?

Learn something new everyday when America changes history.


Yes, America did join the war after being attacked by the Japanese. However that didn't mean they had to commit forces to Europe, especially as it would prolong the war in the Pacific. I believe as well the US made VE the no.1 priority not the Pacific War. They could have just as easily supplied the material of war without losing hundreds of thousands of US lives. Especially as Germany wasn't in a position to attack the US.
Get a clue, think about that ridiculous statement you just made.

[Edited on 11-2-2003 by mad scientist]


Erm, get a clue? Ridiculous statement? My statement is as important and due the same amount of respect as yours or anyone elses. Seems typically obnoxious to reply in such a way.
FDR did make a generous decision when he put the defeat of Hitler before the Pacific war in his list of priorities... he was a President who genuinely cared about Europe as the cradle of American democracy. It's true that a day has to come when the Yanks stop harking back to it, but the fact is that they made the difference between defeat and victory, and they did take very heavy casualties.

I think I'm more enraged about the American "we won the war" talk by the fact that most of them (a vocal minority?) spout it without knowing # all about World War 2 apart from there were Nazis run aby a dictator (most don't seem to know he was democratically elected), the French Surrendered, and the US helped out towards the end and "saved our ass". (see FARK.com for details). Its an argument often employed by those who know nothing about the situation and want to avoid actual debate, and it #s me off.
Really and there was me thinking history was set in stone. It is very dubious to assume that the war in Europe would have been lossed had they not stepped in. Of course it would have dragged on for a lot longer, but to say with certainty that the Allies would have lost is plain wrong. Do you really think that US citizens would have been happy joining the war had pearl harbour not happened? The US acted in self interest in the way that any other country does. They were not ridding the world of evil anymore than they are trying to do now, else they would have taken part in the first place.

Every countires opinion of American involvement in WWII and their gain in the upcoming war will vary significantly but that does not mean that they should be fobbed off as easily and as arrogantly as you have done to me. Learn how to debate properly and maybe we can all learn from each other.


reply posted on 19-2-2003 @ 05:20 AM by deepwaters
You can't beat the French when it comes to food, fashion, wine or perfume, but they lost their license to have an opinion on world affairs years ago. They may even be selling stuff to Iraq and don't want to hurt business.

The French are simply not reliable partners in a world where the good people in it ought to be working together. Americans may come off as international jerks sometimes but we're usually trying to do the right thing.

The French lost WW II to the Germans in about 20 minutes. Along with the British, we got into the war and had about 150,000 guys killed getting their country back for them. We fought all across France, and the Germans finally surrendered in a French schoolhouse.

You'd think that school building in Reims would be a great tourist attraction but it isn't. The French seem embarrassed by it. They don't want to call attention to the fact that we freed them from German occupation.

I've heard Steven Spielberg say the French wouldn't even let him film the D-Day scenes in ìSaving Private Ryanî on the Normandy beaches. They want people to forget the price we paid getting their country back for them.

Americans have a right to protest going to war with Iraq. The French do not. They owe us the independence they flaunt in our face at the U.N.

I went into Paris with American troops the day we liberated it, Aug. 25, 1944. It was one of the great days in the history of the world.

French women showered American soldiers with kisses, at the very least. The next day, the pompous Charles de Gaulle marched down the mile long Champs Elysee to the Place de la Concorde as if he had liberated France himself. I was there, squeezed in among a hundred tanks we'd given the Free French Army that we brought in with us.

Suddenly there were sniper shots from the top of a building. Thousands of Frenchmen who had come to see de Gaulle scrambled to get under something. I got under an Army truck myself. The tank gunners opened fire on the building where the shots had come from, firing mindlessly at nothing. It was a wild scene that lasted, maybe, 10 minutes.

When we go to Paris every couple of years now, I rent a car. I drive around the Place de la Concorde and when some French driver blows his horn for me to get out of his way, I just smile and say to myself, "Go ahead, Pierre. Be my guest. I know something about this very place you'll never know."

The French have not earned their right to oppose President Bush's plans to attack Iraq.

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