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If the "conspiracy" is soo obvious then it should be simple to construct a more legitamite account of events. 8 years in and ..NADA.. just some sophmoric story fragments that paint what could be best described as a deranged Piccasso
Originally posted by Frankidealist35
I'm wondering how none of you have pointed this out so far. The official story of 9-11 is just a conspiracy theory perpetrated by our government about an evil-boogy man designed to bring justification for us to go to war with them. I don't see why so many skeptics, or, regular people buy into it. Anyone else see it like this?
Originally posted by jprophet420
If the "conspiracy" is soo obvious then it should be simple to construct a more legitamite account of events. 8 years in and ..NADA.. just some sophmoric story fragments that paint what could be best described as a deranged Piccasso
You have describe the OS to a T.
Originally posted by Taxi-Driver
Originally posted by jprophet420
If the "conspiracy" is soo obvious then it should be simple to construct a more legitamite account of events. 8 years in and ..NADA.. just some sophmoric story fragments that paint what could be best described as a deranged Piccasso
You have describe the OS to a T.
Really? I don't think so. Look at the Hamburg cell as an example. Four guys trying to come to America to learn how to fly planes. One of them gets their visa denied. The other three move to the US get trained on aircraft systems, and EACH of them just happen to purchase tickets to EACH of the Hijacked aircraft on 9/11. ( excluding flt 77)
Another example: The case of Abul Aziz Alomari. He is on video record stating why he is comming to US to kill Americans. He is on video speaking to an audience with several other hijackers at an Afghani Mujadeen conference.
He is on video record being in PORTLAND, Maine on September 10'th 2001 WITH ATTA!. There is footage of Alomari passing Portland airport security the moring of September 11th. There is an EYE WITNESS that recalls selling ALOMARI and ATTA their tickets at the American Airlines counter to board Flight 11. There is the account of Betty Ong describing the seating location of the perps. and their physical discription.
That is but a tiny portion of evidence those in the truth movement unexplicablly ignore.
This little snippet of evidence DOES build a timeline, a sequence of logical events with names and faces of the perps, backed with money trails, bank, and ticket transactions, coraborrated with eye witnesses placing the accused in the proper place at the proper time, AND a confession from the perpetrator as to motive.
The alternative "theories" cannot even begin to come close to this level of cohesion.
Originally posted by Taxi-Driver
Originally posted by jprophet420
If the "conspiracy" is soo obvious then it should be simple to construct a more legitamite account of events. 8 years in and ..NADA.. just some sophmoric story fragments that paint what could be best described as a deranged Piccasso
You have describe the OS to a T.
Really? I don't think so. Look at the Hamburg cell as an example. Four guys trying to come to America to learn how to fly planes. One of them gets their visa denied. The other three move to the US get trained on aircraft systems, and EACH of them just happen to purchase tickets to EACH of the Hijacked aircraft on 9/11. ( excluding flt 77)
Another example: The case of Abul Aziz Alomari. He is on video record stating why he is comming to US to kill Americans. He is on video speaking to an audience with several other hijackers at an Afghani Mujadeen conference.
He is on video record being in PORTLAND, Maine on September 10'th 2001 WITH ATTA!. There is footage of Alomari passing Portland airport security the moring of September 11th. There is an EYE WITNESS that recalls selling ALOMARI and ATTA their tickets at the American Airlines counter to board Flight 11. There is the account of Betty Ong describing the seating location of the perps. and their physical discription.
That is but a tiny portion of evidence those in the truth movement unexplicablly ignore.
This little snippet of evidence DOES build a timeline, a sequence of logical events with names and faces of the perps, backed with money trails, bank, and ticket transactions, coraborrated with eye witnesses placing the accused in the proper place at the proper time, AND a confession from the perpetrator as to motive.
The alternative "theories" cannot even begin to come close to this level of cohesion.
Originally posted by jprophet420
Logical fallacy. CT's being false does not mean OS is true.
I cite no CT, simply that the OS is not legit.
Originally posted by Seventh
The whole credit card trail thing would be slightly believable if most of the terrorists were not using aliases,
and ofc the early releases of all 4 flight manifests did not have one passenger of Arabic descent in them.
One aspect you can always rely on is the good old tried and tested FOIA...
ahmedismailibrahim.wordpress.com...
Explain that, or discredit and character defamation approach, the choice is yours.
Originally posted by Seventh
Right, again, let`s go through the whole terrorist fiasco.
Some of the alleged terrorists are alive and well today... fact.
Not aliases, similar names! Like if someone is named (in english) John R. Smith...and someone else is John P. Smith. One guilty one NEVER guilty.
This is due to them using aliases...... ?????
They all left a clumsy and visible paper trail all using their own names...?????
As quoted from one site....
Paper Highway
Rental Car, Koran, Arabic Flight Manuals, Credit Cards, Luggage, -- Thanks Atta!
Mohammed Atta, we were told, attempted to check not one but two suitcases on his final suicide trip. One of the bags was said to contain flight training videos and a copy of the Koran. His rental car, seized in a Logan parking garage on September 11th, was said to contain Arabic-language flight training manuals. 1 The terrorists, we were told, used their own credit cards to purchase their tickets.
Why would people who were so clever at evading the authorities for years, suddenly start leaving an obvious trail?
Why would they behave so as to reveal all manner of operational details while the supposed parent organization would not even take responsibility for the attack?
Just another part of the OS that does not balance the books correctly.
Bearing in mind we are talking airports here, heavily secure conscious amongst many CCTV`s, there is surely some CCTV evidence available somewhere... yes?
I know. And that is quite convienent to perpetually be in wonder
FALSE! Your only source (BBC) is non-conteporaneous and has been abridged. A second source "CNN report" clearly states "SUSPECTS." The mistaken idenities were cleared up rather quickly, and they were due to name similarities.
If what I state is wrong then produce a living hijacker.
9/11 Hijackers ALIVE!
At Least 7 of the 9/11
Hijackers are Still Alive
Hijack 'suspects' alive and well
MANY 9-11 "HIJACKERS" ARE STILL ALIVE.
Hijackers Alive And Well
7 Of 19 'Hijackers' Alive After
911 - New OBL Video A Phoney
9/11 Hijackers Still Alive
For what reason were they evading authorities? They were not.
What would the authorities have to implicate them in any type of crime?
Brain surgery? To read their future plans?
Not a "Single Piece of Paper" Links Alleged Hijackers to Plot
Most of these facts are never acknowledged by government agencies or mainstream media. However, FBI director Robert Mueller did admit that his agency failed to find "a single piece of paper" linking the alleged hijackers to the 9/11/01 plot.
e x c e r p t
title: Robert S. Mueller, III, Director, FBI, Commonwealth Club of California
The hijackers also left no paper trail. In our investigation, we have not uncovered a single piece of paper either here in the U.S. or in the treasure trove of information that has turned up in Afghanistan and elsewhere that mentioned any aspect of the September 11th plot. The hijackers had no computers, no laptops, no storage media of any kind. They used hundreds of different pay phones and cell phones, often with prepaid calling cards that are extremely difficult to trace. And they made sure that all the money sent to them to fund their attacks was wired in small amounts to avoid detection
Revealed: the men with stolen identities
All four said that they were "outraged" to be identified as terrorists. One has never been to America and another is a Saudi Airlines pilot who was on a training course in Tunisia at the time of the attacks.
Saudi Airlines said it was considering legal action against the FBI for seriously damaging its reputation and that of its pilots. The FBI released the list of 19 suicide terrorists three days after the attacks.
The statement said that the 19 "have been identified as hijackers aboard the four airliners". Photographs and personal details were published around the world with an appeal for "information about these individuals, even though they are presumed dead".
Tracking the 19 Hijackers
What are they up to now?
At least 9 of them survived 9/11
A former high-level intelligence official told me, "Whatever trail was left
was left deliberately--for the F.B.I. to chase." New Yorker 10/1/01 by Seymour Hersh
FBI Director Mueller acknowledged in 2002 there was no legal proof to prove the identities of the hijackers. Yet the bureau insists it correctly has identified them.
The stunning news prompted FBI Director Robert Mueller to admit that some of the hijackers may have stolen identities of innocent citizens. In September 2002, Mueller told CNN twice that there is "no legal proof to prove the identities of the suicidal hijackers." After that admission a strange thing happened - nothing. No follow-up stories. No follow-up questions. There was dead silence and the story disappeared. It was almost as if no one wanted to know what had happened. In fact, the FBI didn't bother to change the names, backgrounds or photographs of the alleged 19 hijackers. It didn't even deny the news reports suggesting that the names and identities of at least six of the hijackers may be unknown. Mueller just left the door open.
They took responsibility for the attack, they praised the 19 brave warriors, loudly and often.
A FEW were on CIA/FBI terrorist lists as having ties with Al-Queda, but most were not.
So anyone that would like a challenge.. I invite you to my thread here.
Bail outs for THEM, But 9/11 Rescue Workers Can Fend for Themselves!!
Originally posted by impressme
reply to post by Taxi-Driver
FALSE! Your only source (BBC) is non-conteporaneous and has been abridged. A second source "CNN report" clearly states "SUSPECTS." The mistaken idenities were cleared up rather quickly, and they were due to name similarities.
[color=gold]Sources please? Oh, that right this is your opinion and NOT a fact.
9/11 Hijackers ALIVE!
At Least 7 of the 9/11
Hijackers are Still Alive
Hijack 'suspects' alive and well
MANY 9-11 "HIJACKERS" ARE STILL ALIVE.
Hijackers Alive And Well
7 Of 19 'Hijackers' Alive After
911 - New OBL Video A Phoney
9/11 Hijackers Still Alive
[color=gold]Save the sarcasms, if you want people to listen to you!
They took responsibility for the attack, they praised the 19 brave warriors, loudly and often.
[color=gold]Who did? Do you have a source for this?
A FEW were on CIA/FBI terrorist lists as having ties with Al-Queda, but most were not.
Originally posted by SPreston
The duhbunkers don't want a challenge. They want to hit homeruns.
The duhbunkers totally avoid a thread like that if it endangers their religious fanatacism.
Muhammed Al-Harbi
Ayman Al-Zawaihiri
Suleiman Abu Gaith
Kalid Sheik Mohammed
Osama Bin Laden
Just to name a few.
I recommend you watch this, I hope you don't think National Geographic is in on it too.
[color=gold]Sources please? Oh, that right this is your opinion and NOT a fact.
heh...you found the sources for me. In your own post. It only took you five minutes to do a google search and pull up several different websites THAT ALL CITE THE SAME ARTICLES THAT I MENTIONED ABOVE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I CAN AND DID, THREE YEARS AGO. But I actually read the articles, and checked the sources. I actually investigated the claims made on those sites to, ya know, check and see if I was getting duped by web-hoaxers
Perhaps you should do the same, before smarmly blasting out what you believe to be truth.. when IRONICALLY proving my point about NON-CONTEMPORANEOUS INFORMATION and CIRCULAR REFERENCING. Namely the abridged BBC article and erronious CNN "Suspect" telecast.
Seriously? It isn't really sarcasm. You cannot arrest somebody if they haven't yet committed a crime.
Now to easily debunk some of the hackeneyed claims echoed from site to site to site that you posted as to the identity of some of the hijackers...AGAIN ~sigh~
I could keep going with the Waleed and Wail Alshehhi corrections ect.ect. But quite frankly, I am getting tired of re-posting this information. Anyone with a lick of sense could figure this out. And if you were paying attention in 2001 it would be PLAIN AS DAY. But, alas the propagandists don't include the corrections in their biased websites these days..now do they. Why do you think that is?
Originally posted by Taxi-Driver
Originally posted by hgfbob
Originally posted by exponent
Originally posted by Frankidealist35
A ton of evidence contradicts it though.
This is just not true. I have been researching 911 now for a fairly long period of time, years in fact, and I have come across virtually nothing I would consider to be strong evidence against the 'official story'.
how about some 'PHYSICAL' evidence to BACK-UP the 'official story'
The problem isn't the evidence supporting the investigations. The problem is your willingness to accept the evidence produce from those investigations. Further, it is also about the complete lack of evidence to support any alternate theory, and ones ability to discern credible material.
Originally posted by impressme
All you have is a myspace video LOL come on you can do better that that!
You call that evidences LOL WOW!
Lets see some real FBI documents to support your fairytale? Anyone can make a video and put it on “myspace”.
Yes I do, furthermore National Geographic did their documentary on what our government TOLD them what evidences is,however, when we really start looking there really isn’t any facts to prove any of the information is true infact it is all HEARSAY from the FBI.
Oh and again do you think Robert Muller LIED when he said that we may never know who the real hijackers are because they didn’t leave any paper trail to ANY COUNTRY?
So, you think your ridiculous “myspace video is proof enough but the head director of the FBI public statement is truly “ignored”, why is that Taxi-Driver?
It truly amazes me When YOU cant stand the truth staring you in the face the only thing you can do is call names like all my information are “web-hoaxers” if you feel that any of the information that I have put in my above post please demonstrate to all of us that it is all a hoaxes! I bet you cant.
You mean when you don’t like what the truth is even sometimes it slips threw on CNN or BBC So, in your opinion it is (NON-CONTEMPORANEOUS INFORMATION and CIRCULAR REFERENCING.)
How about doing some real research on 911, maybe you might find a way to do a real debate on the real information that I have provided instead of spewing your ridiculous opinions of why you think every one on the 911 threads that opposes your views, and all information that does not consist with the OS are “web hoaxers” and “NON-CONTEMPORANEOUS”.
Ok start debunking lets see what you got. Lets see some “REAL sources”.
Originally posted by impressme
Save your emotional uninformed rants and opinions, and ridiculing for yourself. I will not waste another min of my time arguing with an emotional, uninformed person. Now I know why I had put you on ignore. I can get just as good of a responds, if I had talk to a brick wall, at lease it is not rude. You Sir have a nice day!
[edit on 27-7-2009 by impressme]