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Topic started on 10-7-2009 @ 12:34 AM by Popeye
BBC News


A report in a Russian military journal claims that half the planes Russia lost in its war with Georgia last year were shot down by friendly fire.

The article, in the Moscow Defence Brief magazine, also claims that Russia lost a total of six military aircraft, two more than it is admitting to.


As should be expected the Russian authorities claim the story is incorrect - though it does hint at the quality of their battlespace management.

I wonder how many missions they few overall


reply posted on 10-7-2009 @ 10:20 AM by guppy
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As for friendly fire, yes US does suffer friendly fire casualties. What military doesn't? But the rate is much smaller in US. Russia's war with Georgia was short and they lost 6 planes? How many did US lose in that same timeframe and scenario?

It would be quite funny Russia trying to be the police of the world. Almost every country they would fight is equipped with Russian hardware...

"Hey, is that Petrov?"... "Gimme binoculars"... "Could be. Its a SU-27"... "Wait different markings. Oh sh"...

Ground warfare might be even easier to get friendly fire. Both sides would be using the same AK-47. At least with US, they can semi-rely on the sound of gunfire to know where the attack is coming from.


reply posted on 13-7-2009 @ 06:59 PM by FredT
Originally posted by djvexd
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Really? I was unaware of that. Details?



Due to the U-2's extreme operating altitude, Soviet attempts to intercept the plane using fighter aircraft failed. Moreover, the U-2's course was out of range of several of the nearest SAM sites, and one SAM site even failed to engage the violator since it was not on duty that day. According to the official version of the event (see below for alternative, plausible versions), the U-2 was eventually hit and brought down near Degtyarsk, Ural Region, by a salvo of fourteen SA-2 Guideline (S-75 Dvina) surface-to-air missiles. The plane's pilot, Gary Powers, successfully bailed out and parachuted to safety, although in doing so he violated his orders to destroy the aircraft were he to be shot down[citation needed]. Powers had been issued with a modified silver dollar which contained a lethal, shellfish-derived saxitoxin suicide pill, although in the event he did not use it.[5] In bailing out, he neglected to disconnect his oxygen hose and struggled with it until it broke, enabling him to separate from the aircraft. A subsequent missile salvo also hit the aircraft, further damaging it and would likely have killed Powers outright. He was captured soon after parachuting to earth in Russia.[3]

The SAM command center was unaware that the plane was destroyed for more than 30 minutes.[3] One of the Soviet Mig-19 fighters pursuing Powers was also destroyed in the missile salvo.[6] The pilot was posthumously awarded the Hero of Soviet Union[citation needed], though his death was not mentioned in the award.

en.wikipedia.org...



reply posted on 14-7-2009 @ 04:51 AM by northwolf
reply to post by gimme_some_truth



They actually do suck... only thing the Russians trust is numbers
Example


reply posted on 14-7-2009 @ 05:15 AM by Voxel
Originally posted by northwolf
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post by gimme_some_truth


They actually do suck... only thing the Russians trust is numbers Example


Hey! You are forgetting about Russia's most victorious military commander:
General Winter.

Jon
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