Confirmed Google Earth manipulation of imagery, page 1
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Topic started on 9-7-2009 @ 10:33 PM by afoolbyanyothername
I have always been an opponent of those who've claimed that Google Earth can and does manipulate the imagery it provides to us. They usually cite that these manipulations are usually carried out by GE and done at the request of the government/military to remove or make less obvious various "sensitive" data that may have been imaged unintentionally.

But finally, I have to change my long standing attitude and agree with them that yes, when necessary, Google Earth does in fact manipulate the imagery it feeds us as the following examples will show.




The rightmost image was obtained from GE approx 6 months ago ... the leftmost image was obtained from GE today (10 July, 2009). Even though the original image was not of high quality, sufficient detail was still visible to show significant structural details. Now compare that original image with the latest one. It's immediately apparent that significant image degradation has been applied and a lot of the structural detail originally visible has now been lost.

Now why am I concerned about this loss of detail ?

The original image was located by myself in the military restricted southern Papoose mountain range of Area 51 not far from the infamous S4 area. I had a PERSONAL theory regarding this image but initially didn't make much of a big deal about it. But in the last couple of months I've been displaying this image on various online forums and truthfully receiving what can only be described as entirely abusive feedback so I'm NOT going to bother peddling my PERSONAL viewpoint here.
But suffice it to say that the online GE version of the image remained untouched and unaltered for months UNTIL I began showing it to others online and then shortly afterwards I find that GE have "manipulated" and "degraded" the data content of the image.

Now why would they do that if there was nothing to hide ?
Obviously removing by "photoshopping" the image would have immediately indicated that there was something of extreme interest to be seen there and so the next best option was exactly what has happened ... leave the image intact but significantly degrade it and make it less obvious.

The image below gives a slightly better view ... all that I have done is to increase the contrast, brightness and colour saturation to try to bring out additional details ... otherwise COMPLETELY UNTOUCHED.



Anyway, just wanted to post 100% confirmation of GE image manipulation.


reply posted on 9-7-2009 @ 10:40 PM by weedwhacker
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...the leftmost image was obtained from GE today (10 July, 2009)...


Dude!!

The leftmost image looks better to me (if only marginally).

Really, I cannot see what the fuss is! Reminds me of going to the optometrist --- "Which do you like better? One --- or, two?"



reply posted on 9-7-2009 @ 10:43 PM by afoolbyanyothername
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Huh ??? how can you say there's NO difference between the image from 6 months ago and the current image ? It's plainly obvious that the current image is much darker and sections that were clearly visible previously have now been plunged into shadow thereby "degrading" the original data content of the image.

Don't worry about what I think the image is ... I'm just pointing out that there IS a significant and noticeable loss of image quality in the recent GE version.


reply posted on 9-7-2009 @ 10:50 PM by grapesofraft
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So you are saying that you expect our government to let Google post pictures of sensitive military locations on the Internet for the whole world to see? Why in the world would they allow that? That would be stupid and could possibly give your enemies an advantage.


reply posted on 9-7-2009 @ 10:59 PM by afoolbyanyothername
Originally posted by grapesofraft
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So you are saying that you expect our government to let Google post pictures of sensitive military locations on the Internet for the whole world to see? Why in the world would they allow that? That would be stupid and could possibly give your enemies an advantage.


Away from the original intent of this thread .... but think of who these potential "enemies" may be.

Russians ... have their own satellites
Chinese .... have their own satellites
etc, etc

In fact, virtually every major military power has satellite surveillance of their own or alternatively can easily purchase satelite imagery from the source ... I strongly doubt that any of them would conduct a war against the US relying on Google imagery ... well, maybe Kim Jong-il would ... but he's certifiably crazy :-)



reply posted on 9-7-2009 @ 11:07 PM by grapesofraft
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What about Iran, Syria, Hamas, Pakistan, Cuba, Terrorists, etc....?

What about individuals both in the US and around the world. Do you want everyone in the world to know what our most secret aircraft look like or what kind of military bases we have?



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reply posted on 9-7-2009 @ 11:11 PM by afoolbyanyothername
Originally posted by grapesofraft
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What about Iran, Syria, Hamas, Pakistan, Cuba, etc....?

What about individuals both in the US and around the world. Do you want everyone in the world to know what our most secret aircraft look like or what kind of military bases we have?



As I mentioned in my previous reply, anyone who has the finances can purchase ORIGINAL hires satellite imagery from various sources and not have to rely on GE.
So yes, Iran, Syria, etc can "spy" on the US along with the best of them if they so desire.


reply posted on 9-7-2009 @ 11:13 PM by grapesofraft
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Well I dont know if that is even true, but even if it is at least we do not hand them the stuff for free.


reply posted on 10-7-2009 @ 03:17 AM by afoolbyanyothername
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It's been many months since I 1st stumbled across this "interesting" image and the more I look at it, the more I'm convinced it's exactly what it seems to be ... and that's a technological device.

But as I mentioned in my first post, I'm NOT going to attempt to ram this down anyone's throat as I've learned from earlier experience that almost 100% of people who I show this to react very strongly negative as if they DON'T want the possibility of it existing to disturb their mindset and perception of their view of the world.

However, if you (or anyone) do want to ask questions regarding the image and MY interpretation, then sure I'll answer to the best of my ability and knowledge.

And the fact that there's obviously been an attempt to "muddy" the latest version of the image by GE only serves to lend support to there being something of interest in the image that they would prefer not to be analysed and debated.


reply posted on 10-7-2009 @ 03:51 AM by BAZ752
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Do you consider it plausible that you're looking for something that simply is not there? Perhaps?

Perception, is an individual thing and in this instance you're firmly individual in yours.

Good luck, I hope you discover the truth behind this apparent anomaly.

However, please don't insult the ATS user by making remarks like this: ''I've learned from earlier experience that almost 100% of people who I show this to react very strongly negative as if they DON'T want the possibility of it existing to disturb their mindset and perception of their view of the world''

I valued your OPINION up until that point...



One might question why the vast majority of ATSers that would appear to react very neagtively toward this thread? It is entirely possible they share my view and that this is utter nonsense? Clearly.
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