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posted on Jul, 9 2009 @ 09:24 PM
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Yeah...

So

That's what they do for a living

Gather information

If you put out information, even retarded information they are going to gather it... that's what they are paid to do.

And lol, doesn't actually bother e if they locate and keep tabs on the more serious nutters... I mean seriously, if I get looked over ... you know i'm a weird but harmless imaginative guy, do I care, could be maybe a little embarrassing lol but so what?

A portion of my life now actually is a result of being watched more...

In theory, just about everyone is a Felon one way or another.... there are allot of laws out there, many you'd never even know your breaking perhaps...

And I know I can't change that, I like the technology and... privacy restraints aren't as simple as.... Don't Open their Mail, not anymore.

So it kind of challenges me... if I want to use the adult stage of my life here to DO Something be Credible... to hold myself to a higher standard.

I've been ...working on being a better person... cut out partying, porn following allot of very ZEN like philosophies, leading a simple life...

In part Selfish Health... in Part because of the economy and having to examine waste of time and energy and other aspects of life...doing without

and partly

because everything I do can be watched and... it would be extremely hard to get away with anything if they wanted to catch you at something...

and I figure as a guy that makes a habit of challenging convention and has allot of ideas some of them silly, some of them eccentric, some of them perhaps i hope very worthy.

To be taken seriously by any serious people... If they can KNOW at a whim everything from the kind of rant and tantrum I throw when I wake up on the wrong side of the bed to what shampoo I bought yesterday...

That maybe actually accepting the challenge of being a better person and someone you can count on who isn't prone to create chaos and stupidity... maybe it's not such a bad thing.

It's very psychologically healthy to take control of how you THINK

Not fake it

But actually examine your thoughts and... work on yourself

I'm actually becoming a rather positive person because I KNOW my words could haunt me and If you wouldn't want it to come back at you or can't actually defend it as RIGHT to say, you probably don't want to think that way either...

So i'm kind of entering this... quest for more purity in my life

and

I can only say i'm a happier healthier person

People poo poo the whole line "If you have nothing to hide you have nothing to worry about"

But having worked for some time now on having Nothing to hide...

It Just feels good

Like...

I've been thinking about putting my picture up instead of my Cat, being completely real...

and

Even a Year ago I wouldn't have done that

Why?

Because I was more prone to saying bizarre things or had behaviors I'd be ashamed of or would worry about offending friends with my real thoughts and I had allot of anger going on still in me... not fake Anger which I enjoy sometimes but I was kind of pissed of at the world lol and wouldn't want to have been accountable for things I said...

Today... (not just because of Ats but career as well)

I'm doing things I wouldn't have done...

Like I am probably going to publish and... I have been in e commerce for years but never did anything big... I needed the anonymity

But having examined my thoughts and worked on being more humanistic and optimistic as a person...

I'll maybe make a movie not just work behind the scenes on B flicks, i'm going back to school and i'm not... afraid to go for the PHD when I can and have to face mainstream opinion so much...

And I don't care so much about privacy anymore

Not long ago I would have looked at that as giving in... accepting something wrong being done to me, but there were things about e, i wouldn't want anyone close to me to know...

Those things being gone, I can be a member of the community I can... go allot further

allot of my posts lately have that theme...

The economy can't hold me back, nearly as much as I have held myself back... over stupid negative things anyway...

I'm close to being a person I'd want people to look at... and don't much care if the CIA is in here...

I actually see America as a Good cool place... see the best in people because that's where my mind is focused

Not that i was ever a BAD person, I just never really examined myself before and made a real effort to take out the trash fully and reach my true potential...

Being watched isn't so bad I think




posted on Jul, 9 2009 @ 09:24 PM
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Originally posted by Codazzle
this makes alot of sense because all the important threads seem to be buried deeper and deeper with a whole lot of nonsense in all actuality.

I thought below top secret was for all that other stuff anyway!!!??!

Stars4u


Now that is what I think is the core argument here and one with merit..
If, lets say, I was a disinfo jockey assigned to question credibility to a forum like this, I would make a number of alts, make some of the most moronic threads, make them popular, and suddenly voila, anything coming from the website quickly becomes just insane chattering, partisan complaining, etc etc etc...
and, since there is a tendency in groups to start adapting their beliefs based on the majority (groupthink), then yep, such threads would become the general feel of the site.

Pity that OP didnt approach it like this right from the get-go...

Hey OPs, next time, before hitting submit, consider how debates could go, and different ways of saying the point before committing...in everything, there are good ways and poor ways of saying it and discussions that follow will reflect how the initial post was phrased... (even as a joke sometimes as I learned)



posted on Jul, 9 2009 @ 09:25 PM
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ok, im glad this post is here, becaseu since joining, ive often wondered if something like this was happening. I have a few incidnets, where i like to think, it was connected with what i said here on ats, simply replyinig in posts...
I have mentioned where i work, the illgal immgrants, slave labor and low wages, being treated like garbage at a retail job, saying not bad bad, but bad things about bad cops, obama, blaming bush...
I joke you not..it seems when i have mentioned my work place conditions, next day at work, it the 'tratment'..3 times over, taling about bad cops, no 4 , the very next day, a cop woul dbe standing behind me and starring at me while paying for a coffee at a local CITGO gas station...one time, my car was gertting worked on, 2 months ago, and a cop comes in, while im paying, and jsut standas and looks at me...he jsut loked at smiled at me. This was across street at a mobil gas station. And in the past 3 months, i have been followed home by highway patrol form where i work.
I am seriosuly thinkig maybe im just lucky, or soemone somewhere is teeling em what i say, maybe my job spys on me????



posted on Jul, 9 2009 @ 09:25 PM
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Originally posted by leira7

I'm actually a lady but you wouldn't guess by my avatar.


Well then you're a standup young lady.


Very few members are actually willing to reconsider their thoughts, or to say so in public, especially when faced with some degree of nastiness. That not only makes you standup but also quite special.

And no need to worry about the spooks and the other guys, we're all on the same side here (except for you know who)
, they can make of that what they will.



posted on Jul, 9 2009 @ 09:27 PM
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Wow you folks are lending a lot of attention to this and it is unfortunate. I like to read these forums and I am sure people in the government do to.... that being said, do you actually believe that they have the resources or give a hoot about the average people posting on this site, hell someone just might be interested genuinely and asking questions. Although, I would pay someone to read through these forums if I was in any real position of authority in the intelligence community, you know why....the majority of the mainstay posters on this site SCOUR the web for news, research and just about anything imaginable, then you post your results, beliefs, whatever. Now consider that this site is a huge brainstorming machine for the boys in black, not to mention, weird news gets posted here first, most of the time, so they probably use this site as a tool to get on top of things.

Lastly, the CIA is not one to worry about as long as you are located inside the U.S., as they cannot, or should not, use resources inside our borders, only outside of the United States, the real intelligence agency that should be considered is the NSA, they have carte blanche to do as they please inside this country, not to mention the fact that the real world knows almost nothing about them, they are WAY bigger than the CIA, and have resources that make the CIA look like homeless man broken and sleeping in an alley while they drive by in their BMW packed with tech we won't see in the mainstream until they have their hands on the stuff that will be a couple generations ahead of that.

They have much bigger fish to fry, and hell I would shake their hand for the excellent job they do to keep OUR FREEDOM intact, personally I don't care if they keep files on me and know my financials and my darkest secrets, because I am no threat to this country or our way of life! Semper Fidelis

Arnett Out!



posted on Jul, 9 2009 @ 09:31 PM
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Well considering ATS does not have encryted data sessions I think that's the least of your worries. Even if they were encrypted using standard Microsoft level encryption there are backdoors built into all of that standard stuff.

In other words, anything sent to ATS can easily be read by anyone else, regardless of if it's put on the public forum or not. This goes to pretty much any other site.

If you want to beat them, use strong encryption like PGP, with a released source code and send info in that manner. This way people can inspect and verify the source code and see that there are no backdoors.

I think that they'd be using ECHELON (get it as it goes to the sattelite/international data cable) or NARUS sniffing systems for more local large exchanges, attached directly to fibre optic feeds. This has been discovered before in AT&T switchrooms before. THere is a therad on ATS about this already.

www.democraticunderground.com...


Originally posted by ARNETT 187

Lastly, the CIA is not one to worry about as long as you are located inside the U.S., as they cannot, or should not, use resources inside our borders,


They have much bigger fish to fry, and hell I would shake their hand for the excellent job they do to keep OUR FREEDOM intact, personally I don't care if they keep files on me and know my financials and my darkest secrets, because I am no threat to this country or our way of life! Semper Fidelis


Should not being the operator word. The govt does not follow its own rules, is this not obvious? Your financial system is in pieces, you have a quite likely illegitemate president, your own 'protectors' the CIA are not even investigating 9/11... oh I wonder why. You're living in a fairyland dude, time to wake up and smell reality. Your govt and the organisations working for it do not give two flying F***s about your rights or privacy.
From the tone of your post it sounds like you are saying we should just all bend over backwards and take it hard and fast. I'm sorry but I sure as hell ain't sitting around the same as you.

[edit on 9/7/09 by GhostR1der]



posted on Jul, 9 2009 @ 09:31 PM
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What is wrong with you? It is illegal for the CIA to operate in the United States. Read it's own mission statement. I can't believe people are actually sticking up for these spooks. It is one thing for them to mess with iran but they are openly working inside our country to bring in a totalitarian government. Are you nuts?



posted on Jul, 9 2009 @ 09:32 PM
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I talk to guys face to face about every issue I discuss here. These guys aren't exactly Ghosts but they have clearance. No one has knocked on my door, and I'm not expecting it.

They know I'm not going to get in someone's way. I will, however, do what I feel is right. I fight for my rights, they know it. And you know what? I'm one of the most watched and tracked people in this country. I'm a legal immigrant. A political refugee to be exact. And while I am getting a little higher on the radar lately, I'm not going to ruffle Ghost feathers. That's in no one's interest.

Besides, all electronic communications are tracked these days. If I run around trying to hide my face every time I blurt out an opinion or a passionate rant I will get attention I don't want and isn't warranted.



posted on Jul, 9 2009 @ 09:32 PM
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Originally posted by ziggy1706
ok, im glad this post is here, becaseu since joining, ive often wondered if something like this was happening. I have a few incidnets, where i like to think, it was connected with what i said here on ats, simply replyinig in posts...
I have mentioned where i work, the illgal immgrants, slave labor and low wages, being treated like garbage at a retail job, saying not bad bad, but bad things about bad cops, obama, blaming bush...
I joke you not..it seems when i have mentioned my work place conditions, next day at work, it the 'tratment'..3 times over, taling about bad cops, no 4 , the very next day, a cop woul dbe standing behind me and starring at me while paying for a coffee at a local CITGO gas station...one time, my car was gertting worked on, 2 months ago, and a cop comes in, while im paying, and jsut standas and looks at me...he jsut loked at smiled at me. This was across street at a mobil gas station. And in the past 3 months, i have been followed home by highway patrol form where i work.
I am seriosuly thinkig maybe im just lucky, or soemone somewhere is teeling em what i say, maybe my job spys on me????



or your simply reading into things.
You think your police department is going to waste man hours and resources following you around, keeping close watch on you, etc because you mouthed off on the internet?

no...your being overly paranoid....if they are monitering you, its because your doing something criminal...otherwise, dont worry about it...



posted on Jul, 9 2009 @ 09:34 PM
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Leira, what was the point of the thread?

Are you taking back what you said because you put people in a scurry or that you think your original views are wrong?

If it is because you made people upset - don't be sorry. While there are some pretty dumb posts here on ATS (even some by me), we are all here to learn and argue with each other to try and see the oppositions viewpoint.

But if the reason is that you no longer believe such things, then I am in support you of "withdrawing" such comments.

I don't like telling people what to do, unless it is things such as standing up for your views etc.



posted on Jul, 9 2009 @ 09:35 PM
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Originally posted by SaturnFX

or your simply reading into things.
You think your police department is going to waste man hours and resources following you around, keeping close watch on you, etc because you mouthed off on the internet?

no...your being overly paranoid....if they are monitering you, its because your doing something criminal...otherwise, dont worry about it...


www.pbs.org...

Or maybe not.



posted on Jul, 9 2009 @ 09:35 PM
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This isn't news. You should assume that absolutely everything you post on the Internet, without exception, finds its way into government files. It may not be the literal truth, but it's close enough.

Every time you visit a Website - any Website - your IP number is logged along with other information that can be traced directly back to your computer. This isn't anything sinister; it's how the Website can send the information you requested to you, instead of to someone else viewing the site. Every time you request a page, you have to give your "return address" so the page can find your computer.

There are anonymizers that supposedly make it impossible to trace back to you. I wouldn't trust any such program, unless you wrote it yourself - and you also know exactly what you're doing. For all you know, the anonymizers report everything to THEM (whoever THEY are). Much more likely, the anonymizers might have bugs that leak your private information; or THEY may have figured out a way to defeat the anonymizer's security.

You do not have privacy on the Internet. The Internet was not built with privacy in mind. It was built to facilitate the exchange of information between trusted sources. It was used to share data between various universities and military sites. It was not originally intended for the general public and (therefore) untrusted users.

And yeah, NSA, CIA, FBI, anyone who wants to can easily read what you wrote; and if they don't like it, they can find you if they want. So be careful what you write. Or use a very public computer (library, Internet cafe), and a throw-away user name.



posted on Jul, 9 2009 @ 09:38 PM
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You are joking right.

Yeaaahhh it couldn't be because people are bored or enjoy getting traffic and stars and such could it?

It couldn't be because people genuinely want to know more about the members they collaborate with could it?

Nah, couldn't be any of those things now could it.



posted on Jul, 9 2009 @ 09:38 PM
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My dad is CIA...does that count?
hardly see him though so I can't really ask him about such topics...



posted on Jul, 9 2009 @ 09:42 PM
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Its because you asked for flags and stars instead of earning them with original content, research, links to evidence to support a theory or anything else pertinent.

You are right about there being many other threads undeserving. The best threads with the little gems generally have no flags to speak of.

This idea of CIA / Disinfo and the like monitoring ATS along with accusations the owners are in on it are legion on ATS.



posted on Jul, 9 2009 @ 09:45 PM
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Cool, get him to join and let us pick his brain. Metaphorically of course.



posted on Jul, 9 2009 @ 09:47 PM
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Gathering intelligence is about putting a large amount of very small pieces together from varying sources. I don't need to get all of the pieces from you; I just need to get enough tiny pieces from other people like you to produce an overall gestalt.

Getting the pulse of the "fringe" people is a very helpful tidbit to have. ATS is very well known and is an easy internet stop for intelligence people to make. We could even be used as an excuse for an incident in some circumstances if need be. To the average CNN news-watcher we would be considered way out in left field. It would be a simple matter for an agency to mention ATS to a major TV network. The online traffic would probably disable the ATS servers for a period of time and validate whatever the alphabet agencies "leaked" to the press about us as rogue weirdos.

Incidentally, anyone on this thread that say's they're friends with agency people is most likely living in their mother's basement and existing on mac 'n' cheese and video games. Be advised.



posted on Jul, 9 2009 @ 09:48 PM
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I am pretty certain that being the CIA they have methods to track down anyone, and everyone they want to. Usernames and Avatars are of course a personnel thing, however im quite certain anyone that asks, is doing it out of curiosity. Considering that while some usernames, and avatars may be offensive, or funny, etc to others (same username and or Avatar) a picture can paint a thousand words.

Despite not seeming like much, to me my username AoXoA has quite a few meanings and reasons to me. i will not state any of them, however alot of people may be curious and since I am quite a private person I will not state them.


I am quite sure every government agency monitors this site, because it may cause a 'security threat' towards them. Just think of matters such as "Organising peaceful protests against X and or Y", yet some words being different such as riot, or destruction etc. They would definantly have to monitor things incase they get out of hand and could cause huge casualties.

There are some self-righteous people out there who are hell-bent on causing chaos, and killing innocent/police etc (Police while sometimes being on a power trip, are people too... ;D AND should think along these lines, instead of playing their power trips out, and etc) could be part of their plans.

But anyway yes im quite certain government agencies are here, to at least monitor, and etc everyone. Laws laws everywhere these days, such as that topic about how embedding music vids or something in google could net you a fine. but oh well thats another thread :/



posted on Jul, 9 2009 @ 09:49 PM
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Wow I sure hope the CIA and MOSSAD and MI6 and all the other Intelligence Agencies are on here otherwise I would be wasting my time.

Why on earth you or anyone be scared of these silly orginizations?

They are flawed human beings, we are flawed human beings.

My number one flaw is I love to make up stories for flawed human beings to keep them enchanted and worried and guessing and spinning your wheels.

Why is it in psycological warfare you want to be the one psyched out?

Why is it you want to paranoid...

When you have this golden opportunity to pscyhe them out and make them paranoid.

I mean what gives "Oh no they suspect I am not a sheeple BAH, BAH, BAH, me good sheep, good sheep want no trouble, BAH, BAH, BAH"

If they are on here they are on here to know whether they are up against something serious to keep them up at nights.

Insomnia rules, at the end of the day they know yor sheeple just Bahing away, no knock on the door, no secret detention camp, because you have to do something bestides just say silly things on line to get that kind of attention.

LOL scared of the CIA on an internet site, I used to have a CIA agent as tudor instead of having to go to public school. They are about as scary as Donald Duck and Pluto and about as effective do.

Just another bunch of loosers working dead end government jobs.

Geeze.

Why should I care if they know who I am and what I do? What are they going to do, cry to my mamma and ask her to have me stop?

Didn't do them any good when I was a teenager, won't do them any good now!

NO FEAR...DO NO HARM.



posted on Jul, 9 2009 @ 09:58 PM
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But you have it wrong, Grasshoper.

ATS is a branch of the CIA.




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