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The beautiful misfits and silent geniuses

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posted on Jul, 9 2009 @ 01:54 AM
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Throughout the whole of human history, there have been stories and legends about people who were "Demon" possessed. People who were clinically insane and people who were not even classified as humans. None of them understood until recently. And by recently I mean, they are just NOW starting to be understood.

Modern medicine has done miracles for people. Everything from plastic surgery to operating on the heart which was a theoretical impossibility just 60 years ago. But there is one area that is still somewhat of a mystery, and that is the brain. Along with many disorders that directly effect primary cognitive function in humans.

Until recently, it was thought that those with various diseases, disabilities, deformities of the brain and whatnot were simply invalids. This thread is intended to show that it does not take a specially gifted person to be a genius. It does not take an average person with a good idea to be a genius. This thread is designed to show that the genius that is human, is everywhere. Even in the most unlikely places.

During these dire times, where morons are running our world into the ground, there is still hope on a smaller scale. People who have no label. People who are nameless in the vast abyss of status quo and public media. And they have always been here and always will be. Yes, there is genius is mental retardation. There is genius within autism. There is genius with down syndrome.

www.telegraph.co.uk...


autismtomorrows.blogspot.com...


www.tangle.com...



The need to be royal and grand does not exist with the beautiful people who were rejected by society. These are only a few examples. There are not enough threads on this forum that show the good in society, so here is one.




posted on Jul, 22 2009 @ 10:16 AM
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I couldn't agree more. I have often thought "there must be someone, somewhere who really, really knows how to fix our world.

Then my mind will drift off to where this person might be, and I get an image of a person in his garden tending to his roses, or an old professor sitting behind his desk laughing with his students.

There are these enigmas. Maybe not geniuses from the sense of the IQ only, but in other ways. A myriad of other ways.

I love your threads. You have such complicated ideas!
Deliciously complicated.



posted on Jul, 31 2009 @ 04:35 PM
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I love the ideas in the introduction to this thread. It's absolutely good, and right, and interesting. And no body is looking at it because it's not about Aliens or the President's birth certificate.

That's a shame. Imo.



posted on Jul, 31 2009 @ 05:00 PM
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I just flagged your thread - not that that will do much - but I came here just to see what's up - based on your beautiful title

Really - nice

I haven't read all the way through yet - but I love this topic

thank you



posted on Jul, 31 2009 @ 07:13 PM
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I find this thread very interesting. At the top are highly trained mediocrates and at the bottom, in the cellars, cheap housing, the outskirts, are some unknown and extraordinary men/women of genius.

Think about it, if God decided to make one of these intellects that inhabit the 'void', the unknown interstices that have the potential to shake the world, would he really dress them up in funny clown suits so they can idle their time around idiots?

I Met A Genius - by Bukowski

I met a genius on the train
today
about 6 years old,
he sat beside me
and as the train
ran down along the coast
we came to the ocean
and then he looked at me
and said,
it's not pretty.

it was the first time I'd
realized
that.



posted on Jul, 31 2009 @ 07:13 PM
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I have a good number of aspergisms and I'm not sure what good it has done other than to make me more or less a pariah. If I and others like me are your only hope, Obiwan, I suggest that you just cut your losses. You're totally hosed.


Of course it is the lack of readability that keeps others in a state of discomfort during social interaction. When your internal state is not readily apparent by body language or facial expressions, people project all sorts of their own baggage onto you.

However, in the literature this is mistaken for a lack of empathy. In reality I see too much. Knowing how deceitful people try to be as a matter of course is to bring discouragement in fostering relationships.

A select few make it past the shields though, the ones that are sincere. They are good friends.



posted on Jul, 31 2009 @ 07:20 PM
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I've always wondered about this. Thank you. You know, people could do a lot worse. What's wrong with having a little air of mystery? And when you wish very much for someone to know you, you permit it, don't you?



posted on Jul, 31 2009 @ 07:42 PM
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the following is my opinion and subject to interpretation.
No doubt.
When a lot of parts of the brain are broken, the other parts focus. Something we cannot do, while maintaining all of our normal unctions. Even Einstein, had to do calculations. An idiot savant knows the answer almost instinctively. While normal things we take for granted are not prevalent, such as behavior, communication, and functionality, in what we might call mentally disabled people, there is not denying, that they own a focus we can never know.
All of the most profound figures throughout history, gave up everything else, and dedicated themselves to their passion. They sacrificed, personality, friends, and their normal lives to focus on answers. It took everything else away from them, except the goal. Are these type of people any different than someone who is "challenged"?
The only difference is these people are born this way, and don't have anything to loose, or at least won't miss it.
So called "normal" people should be so focused.

Excellent topic.
*~

[edit on 31/7/2009 by reticledc]



posted on Jul, 31 2009 @ 07:51 PM
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Originally posted by ladyinwaiting
reply to post by EnlightenUp
 


I've always wondered about this. Thank you. You know, people could do a lot worse. What's wrong with having a little air of mystery? And when you wish very much for someone to know you, you permit it, don't you?


Yes I permit it. It takes awhile to really let go.

I suppose since taking spirituality more seriously (*), I find I'm rebelling against it more internally with less concern over what others think about it in itself, concerning myself less with another's possible criticalness. I try to be mindful and compassionate and to show that as best as I know how, even if it appears a bit awkward or comes out all wrong. After some frustration and reflection, I'll dust myself off and try again. The internal trauma is slowly reduced to just another lesson. It helps to shed the load instead of carry it with me.

One time I let it stay on so thick, that a whole bar staff of bouncers were literally scared of me. A friend employed there that introduced me gave me the low down on what they were saying after I left. They were saying I looked completely insane, dangerous and like someone they should never f-with. Physically I really shouldn't be seen as intimidating. All I did was do the "natural" thing and remain completely unexpressive.

However, I really don't want to be seen like that but perhaps with that crowd it was good idea.


(*) Is spirituality really to be taken seriously?



posted on Jul, 31 2009 @ 07:52 PM
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I like your interpretation.

The gift and the curse.

Every one of these so called people I have read about really had no choice in doing what they did. It's like you stop, try and change even the smallest detail, and things only get worse.



posted on Jul, 31 2009 @ 07:58 PM
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Good job! I like how your ideas incorporate a sense of "belonging" and necessity at every level Mr. Toodles.

Alas, I'm so close and yet so far away........ I fear I'm a noisy misfit.

Excellent thread, and really thought-provoking. The best threads for me, re those which make me want to go and research. Goodonya



posted on Jul, 31 2009 @ 08:08 PM
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there is a place for each individual manifestation of the "grand puzzle".....

if one piece is absent, the "ultimate picture" remains incomplete.....






bless you ALL



posted on Jul, 31 2009 @ 08:16 PM
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Originally posted by argentus
Alas, I'm so close and yet so far away........ I fear I'm a noisy misfit.


I once labelled ATS in my avatar as the "land of misfit thoughts" ala "island of misfit toys" from that classic Rudolf x-mas special. I didn't know if others would take that too well so I just went with "embrace dissonance" which still works pretty well.

This thread's probably already heading me on one of those awkward trips into idiosyncratic humor...so mote it be. All the hairy eyeballs can gaze my way.

[edit on 7/31/2009 by EnlightenUp]



posted on Jul, 31 2009 @ 08:20 PM
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Beautiful thread. What I find interesting about this topic is that other than the people active here, who no doubt see the beauty and importance of all souls incarnate here on Earth is that most people do not see the how special people with "disabilities" are until they have one in their family. If you talk to the parent of someone who is austistic they will tell you how special these people are, some of them even believe that they were chosen to by their child because of the many beautiful things that opened up to them once they became the parent of someone with a disability.



posted on Jul, 31 2009 @ 08:27 PM
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You certainly come across brilliantly here.


(she says while listening to Sam Chatmon). Cool. Love the Blues.

[edit on 7/31/0909 by ladyinwaiting]



posted on Jul, 31 2009 @ 08:42 PM
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I think the truth is like a scattered jigsaw puzzle and many just fill in the blanks with their own interpretations of world and universe. An idiot savant is typically described as being one definition. But by comparison to a gifted psychic and or sleeper, it's a totally new type of savant. It does take all kinds and it seems those who just follow, don't have as much free will of their own. Einstein and Tesla were apparently a rebels and free thinkers. To me, Tesla was still a mad scientist.

[edit on 31-7-2009 by aleon1018]



posted on Jul, 31 2009 @ 08:46 PM
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posted on Jul, 31 2009 @ 08:52 PM
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Absolutely beautiful. I could not agree more and I thank you for posting this. My 20 year old daughter has cerebral palsy. The great think is that when i talk to her I ask her questions. Now half of her brain is clinically dead, so the specialists say. Her answers, especially the spiritual answers are always enlightening.

I believe that it is people of her caliber that is truly the way for future understanding and the expression of love.

Once again...Bravo...














posted on Jul, 31 2009 @ 09:02 PM
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Originally posted by reticledc
the following is my opinion and subject to interpretation.
No doubt.
When a lot of parts of the brain are broken, the other parts focus. Something we cannot do, while maintaining all of our normal unctions. Even Einstein, had to do calculations. An idiot savant knows the answer almost instinctively. While normal things we take for granted are not prevalent, such as behavior, communication, and functionality, in what we might call mentally disabled people, there is not denying, that they own a focus we can never know.
All of the most profound figures throughout history, gave up everything else, and dedicated themselves to their passion. They sacrificed, personality, friends, and their normal lives to focus on answers. It took everything else away from them, except the goal. Are these type of people any different than someone who is "challenged"?
The only difference is these people are born this way, and don't have anything to loose, or at least won't miss it.
So called "normal" people should be so focused.

Excellent topic.
*~

[edit on 31/7/2009 by reticledc]
Focus. Yes that is one option of an experience, so is variety and diversity. Why do we admire the person who focuses and achieves one great experience in one area? Swimmers can devote all their time to that sport. Just think of all the things they are NOT doing. I see nothing less worthy about becoming "just decent" at many things. Average seems to be looked down on these days. And yet we aspire to fit in and be average anyway. Even the genius may long to be average, and yet our special ones may not be aware of it. That they are "not fitting in" may not be in their awareness most times and that may be one of the gifts.
One of my first friends was a down syndrome boy. I didn't know until my mother told me. I just thought he was the nicest kid in the Navy daycare.
Autistic children are seemingly self focused and not socially or outwardly focused, something I believe we can all learn a great deal from.



posted on Jul, 31 2009 @ 09:03 PM
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DaisyAnne thank you so much for putting that up for us.

What I want so badly to do is send her some musical instruments! I would love to see her with a keyboard and some strings...a xylophone, a tambourine.



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