If I hate some one and hit them why should that be worse than if I dont hate some one and hit them , So if I hit two people with a bat and one is a different race That is worse than The one I hit that is the same race ,, That is race class in it self very slippey slope I want protection for being normal and avg people hate that and rich and good looking and skinny and fat and smart , and funny and rightwing, you get the pictrue

Originally posted by Frankidealist35


I don't quite understand... why there is a lot of talk against this bill.

Because all crimes are born from hate, they are not racially exclusive. A Black man raping a black women is every bit as hateful as a white man raping a black women.

Hate crime legislation creates a victimized class of people. Someone convicted of a "hate" crime, say rape, should be thrown on a deserted island filled with starving predatory animals for life, as should the rapist, who raped a member of his own race. Severity of sentence should be based on the crime, not a collectivist idea of arbitrary group identification.

Hate crime legislation is itself, inherently racist, because it forces people to see each other in groups, rather than the individual free-born humans that all of us, regardless of race, are.

[edit on 9-7-2009 by aravoth]

The danger in the Hate Crimes Bill is it furthers the 'Victim' mentality that is slowly robbing a vast majority of people of personal responsibility for their own life as they abdicate it to special assistance programs, prescription drugs and a belief that if they aren't succeeding at something it's because they are a victim and the onus is not on them to themselves put in a full effort to succeed but for government and science to put in a partial effort on their behalf instead for them.

Perfect example another ATS member posted a thread recently on how strobe lights could possibly increase your mental cognizance by adjusting their flicker rate.

Not what you would call a high traffic thread but one of the few posters was an epileptic who chastised the Original Poster in his reply to the Original Poster for not including a warning in his post that flashing lights could cause epileptics a seizure.

I replied to the poster saying...excuse me are you really telling me as an epileptic you don't know not to try this?

He didn't post one word about the actual topic, had no interest in the actual topic, and simply confessed that he wanted to post that just to post that.

In other words he just wanted people to know he is a 'victim' he is 'disadvantaged' and he would like when ever and at all possible for things to be about 'him' based on his perception of being a 'victim'.

Hate crimes are redundant because all crime is about hate, hate of the truth, hate of not stealing, hate of not hurting, hate of having to work for a living, hate of having less, or hate of having lost something, or hate of someone else having gained everything.

All crime is based on hate, further narrowing it only teaches people to believe they are all potential victims based on something and we need big brother to compensate us at a rate big brother believes we deserve and can afford, and that we need big brother to protect us.

Believe me when Truck Driver Reginald Denny was getting beaten into permanent brain damage in South Central L.A. during the start of the Rodney King Riots for being White and being in the wrong place at the wrong time everyone watching it from a TV Helicopter shot understood he was being brutalized for simply being white and in the wrong place at the wrong time...including his ATTACKERS...

Since all Crime is based on Hate, having a Hate Crime Bill is not going to deter Hate Crimes, people who commit crimes based on Hate understands that they are doing it because they hate and are doing it anyway and that it is wrong.

Who it does affect are the people who are trained to believe more and more they are victims of everything and the only thing that can save them from all the things that victimize them is the government.

The same government who is behind most of the victimization anyway!

Hating Crime is not a bad idea; Hate Crimes is a redundant and repugnant idea...

It’s just one viler act by a government who wants us all to believe we are inferior, flawed and weak in some way and we need big brother for everything. It’s nonsense.

Racial sensitivity has gotten quite ridiculous. We can't dislike someone if we're white and they just happen to be black, I mean African-American (sorry it's considered racist to say "black" now) or else we can be labeled racist. We can't kick out illegal aliens because it's racist (among other things I know), we can't call out on people if they happen to be another race or else it's racist.

Don't get me wrong, racism is horrible and stupid and we have no right to impede on people's rights for their color of skin. This bill just seems like you will get a longer sentence and be labeled a racist if the person you harm is of another color. I hope that doesn't happen and they actually investigate if it is a hate-crime or not. The concept of hate-crimes are stupid though. A crime is a crime no matter how it was triggered (unless it was for an understandable reason but that is a touchy subject and I won't talk about that). This bill won't do squat, just further the rising racial sensitivity towards each other.

Edit: grammar

[edit on 7/9/09 by MoothyKnight]

A ridiculous bill - and a further escalation in attempts by the scum to divide society.

The simple answer is this - this divides the law into a tool to be used against certain groups, this means injustice.

It is not by chance that the figure of lady justice wears a blindfold - she does so to indicate that all persons regardless of wealth, race, color, gender or religion will face the same penalties and the same process. To undermine this sacred ideal is to spit in her face.

Crimalizing thought and speech is an insidious evil - it will be used to further intimidate anyone who has real issues which they wish to publicly address, however laws of this kind will be invoked to pressure them to silence so that further injustice can be enacted - the result will be continuing simmering hatreds between all groups - a divided society, something the scum highly desire because they only fear a united population.