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While reading numerous threads on ATS it has always surprised me how little history some posters actually know.
Originally posted by GorehoundLarry
We were suppose to in camps last summer. Bush was suppose to start up a nuclear war and perhaps even WW3. Now Obama is going to cause it. Now his administration is going to send us to the camps.
You know what I can't wait for? When we all say the NEXT president is a Nazi and is going to send us to camps.
These threads are bad ass the crop circle prediction threads.
History does repeat itself ....every summer the same story comes out, just a different president
[edit on 9-7-2009 by GorehoundLarry]
Originally posted by LucidDreamer85
Our Country was perfectly fine before these 2 ( or 1 if you want ) regimes came into power......
Why all the un-needed change?
F*** Change if this is the change we are getting......I want the old American back.....
Originally posted by flysse
dooper I'm sorry, I'm just incredibly dumbfounded about how arrogantly naive your last post was. This is not an attack on you, but simply your last post.
"When these dip * 's start shooting at you" -You've already dehumanized these people by your attitude toward them. Do you even know who they are? Did you stop to think for a second that they may live in that country and you are there without being invited yielding weapons. Most likely you're the real threat. How did you think you were protecting your country by going to someone else's and trying to kill them? If it was because they were "building" a WMD to send to us, well you can stop worrying that was pretty much proven a lie. And yet we're still there?
Anyone who uses force to coerce someone to conform to their ideals in my view is very low on the evolutionary chain.
"The more you kill, the faster you kill, the more efficient you kill, in the greatest concentrations, and in the greatest numbers - the less shot you get."- That's exactly what leads to escalation and thousands-millions-billions of people getting killed.
"And if the wrong group of innocents unintentionally get killed in the process - it's too bad." - Tell that to your family and friends during martial law, or if we're invaded.
[edit on 9-7-2009 by flysse]
Originally posted by flysse
dooper I'm sorry, I'm just incredibly dumbfounded about how arrogantly naive your last post was. This is not an attack on you, but simply your last post.
"When these dip * 's start shooting at you" -You've already dehumanized these people by your attitude toward them. Do you even know who they are? Did you stop to think for a second that they may live in that country and you are there without being invited yielding weapons.
Anyone who uses force to coerce someone to conform to their ideals in my view is very low on the evolutionary chain.
"The more you kill, the faster you kill, the more efficient you kill, in the greatest concentrations, and in the greatest numbers - the less shot you get."- That's exactly what leads to escalation and thousands-millions-billions of people getting killed.
"And if the wrong group of innocents unintentionally get killed in the process - it's too bad." - Tell that to your family and friends during martial law, or if we're invaded.
Originally posted by dooper
reply to post by Floating thru Reality
Floating, come on back down to earth. You're looking at this from a very narrow, very selective perspective.
The military hasn't been "brainwashed" into anything. The military never teaches that "violence is the answer."
The military brainwashes their soldiers during basic training. That's why they break you down and then rebuild you to mindlessly obey orders.
It works like this: When these dip * 's start shooting at you, unless you're a complete dumbass, you start to figure out the best solution all by yourself.
When you are in someone elses country attacking them it's irrational to claim selfdefence. You are the problem, not them.
You quickly, and I mean QUICKLY, discover that these guys shooting you are really not all that open to discussion. In fact, if you stand up and wave to get their attention for the purpose of suggesting opening a dialogue, the better shooters among them will ventilate your punkin. And with half your head blown off, it severely restricts your capacity for constructive dialogue.
It is their right since they are defending themselves agianst the invader which happens to be you in this case.
So you blow HIS head off. He now can't shoot at you. The more you kill, the faster you kill, the more efficient you kill, in the greatest concentrations, and in the greatest numbers - the less shot you get.
And this makes you a very efficient murderer. There is no honor in going to a forign country and slaughtering and destorying it. You are the one who causes all the death and suffering.
I know. Weird. But true.
The more you kill, the less to shoot at you.
There it is. The revelation you never fully realized, nor fully appreciated. And no one had to brainwash you into learning this.
I'm very aware of this concept and that is why I speak against it.
I never considered myself, nor did my brothers consider themselves as "protectors of all good things" - we were just protectors of each other.
Each other was all we had.
I didn't dehumanize those I disagreed with in combat. I killed them just as fast as I could.
I didn't dehumanize those I disagreed in the States. For cutie to spit on me just because I was wearing a uniform was an attempt to dehumanize me - something we cleared up real fast.
Spitting on you is violence that is a fraction of the violence you visited on others. Your reaction reveals that you understand about the injustice of violemce, and yet you cannot see it when you so far worse to others.
True. The military in action is about breaking things and people. A very good thing to remember before sending them out to do their tasks.
And if the wrong group of innocents unintentionally get killed in the process - it's too bad.
It's the cost of doing business.
War business.
Your flippant brushing away of innocent death and suffering shows a complete lack of empathy and humanity. These words give truth to Henry Kissingers famous quote about military men.
[edit on 9-7-2009 by dooper]
Originally posted by Floating thru Reality
The military brainwashes their soldiers during basic training. That's why they break you down and then rebuild you to mindlessly obey orders.
When you are in someone elses country attacking them it's irrational to claim selfdefence. You are the problem, not them.
It is their right since they are defending themselves agianst the invader which happens to be you in this case.
And this makes you a very efficient murderer. There is no honor in going to a forign country and slaughtering and destorying it. You are the one who causes all the death and suffering.
I'm very aware of this concept and that is why I speak against it.
Spitting on you is violence that is a fraction of the violence you visited on others. Your reaction reveals that you understand about the injustice of violemce, and yet you cannot see it when you so far worse to others.
Your flippant brushing away of innocent death and suffering shows a complete lack of empathy and humanity. These words give truth to Henry Kissingers famous quote about military men.
Originally posted by Floating thru Reality
reply to post by Anonymous Avatar
LOL it's not like they keep it a secret you know. People don't need to experience something before they have the ability to dicern whether it's good or bad. I don't need to kill, lie, cheat, steal, or rape to know those things are bad.