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posted on Jul, 9 2009 @ 04:45 AM
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I suspect this is an example of shock tactics politics where a newly elected politician deliberately says something controversial to raise his own profile and to highlight a controversial subject.

It certainly seems to have worked.

Of all the newly elected MEP's throughout Europe he seems to be the best known and he has brought immigration to forefront.



SR

posted on Jul, 9 2009 @ 04:49 AM
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Originally posted by tezzajw

Originally posted by Chaoticar
As I've said elsewhere, "open borders for everyone!" is alright...until Third Worlders decide that they've had enough of starvation under corrupt regimes, and want to live in your house.

That's where you're clearly wrong. I doubt that they would want to live in my house. I bet that they would rather live in their own house.

Earth should be a free planet with open borders. Closed borders equals closed, fearful mind.


Typical off many people and socialists i've met in my life, when the crunch comes to the crunch they are all talk and no action.

How do you know we wouldn't want to live in your house?? For all you know some of us could actually be in Africa on laptops?? Who are you to presume anything?
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You placate and profuse a great deal about what ''should and shouldn't happen and how the world should be run'' yet fail to lead by example like as i've mentioned before so many people and socialists i've previously met in my lifetime.

How can you sit and judge others on a faux moral highground when YOUR not prepared to back up what you believe in or take the first steps in making it a reality.

See the rank hypocricsy?



posted on Jul, 9 2009 @ 04:56 AM
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Originally posted by SR
Typical off many people and socialists i've met in my life, when the crunch comes to the crunch they are all talk and no action.

Wow, this is the second reply that you've made to my one post!!! Cool!!!

Thanks for bumping the thread for me. Unfortunately for you, I'm a human, not a socialist. I don't subscribe to being in any club. Try again.


Originally posted by SR
How do you know we wouldn't want to live in your house?? For all you know some of us could actually be in Africa on laptops?? Who are you to presume anything?

You really do enjoy arguing obscure trivial details that don't matter. Why would anyone want to live in someone else's house, when they can have their own house instead? Think about it and get back to me in your next series of replies.


Originally posted by SR
You placate and profuse a great deal about what ''should and shouldn't happen and how the world should be run'' yet fail to lead by example like as i've mentioned before so many people and socialists i've previously met in my lifetime.

Wow. I've done all that it this thread, have I? Are you focussing your energy and effort for this thread, or for me? I feel so special.


Originally posted by SR
How can you sit and judge others on a faux moral highground when YOUR not prepared to back up what you believe in or take the first steps in making it a reality.

A-huh. Please, list the following people who I have judged in this thread. Me judging others, when I state that there should be no borders on planet Earth and that we should all be able to coexist. Right...


Originally posted by SR
See the rank hypocricsy?

Yeah, I see it alright! And I know that I'll keep seeing it everytime that you reply!

Please, do reply though. Your efforts to bump this thread are greatly appreciated. I know how other ATS users might want to read on-topic discussion, after by-passing your off-topic nonsense.


SR

posted on Jul, 9 2009 @ 05:07 AM
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Originally posted by tezzajw
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Hey, thanks for bumping my thread again with your off-topic nonsense. You really need to learn to let go of things that are trivially unimportant. I can't help that you misread my OP, it's your problem, not mine. I can't help that you called me ignorant in your first post, it's your problem, not mine. That's your private rant to stew about.

Did you read what happened to the Tampa after it got turned back?

Australia has to deal with a lot of 'illegal' immigrants each year. Did you know that there's a place called Woomera that used to house detention centres for 'illegal' immigrants? Look it up and see how civilised Australia was to already desperate people.

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Mate i'm just proving your ignorance so you hopefully learn from it, again i've no problems with my reading capabilities as we can all clearly see you have written what you have.

You seem to have a problem remembering what your write and how words contex, meaning and structure within a reply work i'm sorry that you suffer from these problems and hope they improve for you in the future.

Yeah i did read about it and they got sent safetly to other countries and your point is???

Let's remember so far i've called for immigration by sea to be stopped to avoid loss of life and dnagerous situations.

Almost every ''modern'' country has deportation centers where people and children are kept.

Again your making your arguement very hard for yourself, So if deportation centres where scrapped you would i assume correct me if i'm wrong;

You want already distressed and deseperate people to arrive illegally into a unknown country, with little to no grasp of english, little to know money, food or clothes, maybe no qualifications.


Let's remember also the most important thing no guarauntees of getting food, clothes or money either.

Yet you just expect them to just walk around hunky dory and somehow out of thin air pull out enough money to buy a house and car straight away and become ''normal'' members of society.

Right...........

and you think your self civilised.


Are you just trolling or something this is getting beyond the pale and realms of satire now



posted on Jul, 9 2009 @ 05:20 AM
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Originally posted by SR
Mate i'm just proving your ignorance so you hopefully learn from it, again i've no problems with my reading capabilities as we can all clearly see you have written what you have.

Hey, thanks for bumping my thread again with your off-topic nonsense. You really need to learn to let go of things that are trivially unimportant. I can't help that you misread my OP, it's your problem, not mine. I can't help that you called me ignorant in your first post, it's your problem, not mine. That's your private rant to stew about.


Originally posted by SR
Again your making your arguement very hard for yourself, So if deportation centres where scrapped you would i assume correct me if i'm wrong;

I won't bother quoting the rest of your assumptions. You were wrong, so I'll stop you there.

I never mentioned anything about deportation centres. I mentioned detention centres. Prisons, effectively. 'Illegal' immigrants to Australia, were held in detention centres. Men, women and children, all confined.

Australia has enough resources to help assimilate immigrants, rather than locking them up, pending expulsion. I'm sure that many of the newly arrived immigrants would work very hard to earn their new life. They risk death on the oceans to get here, do you really think that they're going to relax on welfare the rest of their lives?

Fearful people create borders and work to restrict the basic right of a person to live freely.


SR

posted on Jul, 9 2009 @ 05:20 AM
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Originally posted by tezzajw

Originally posted by SR
Typical off many people and socialists i've met in my life, when the crunch comes to the crunch they are all talk and no action.

Wow, this is the second reply that you've made to my one post!!! Cool!!!

Thanks for bumping the thread for me. Unfortunately for you, I'm a human, not a socialist. I don't subscribe to being in any club. Try again.


Originally posted by SR
How do you know we wouldn't want to live in your house?? For all you know some of us could actually be in Africa on laptops?? Who are you to presume anything?

You really do enjoy arguing obscure trivial details that don't matter. Why would anyone want to live in someone else's house, when they can have their own house instead? Think about it and get back to me in your next series of replies.


Originally posted by SR
You placate and profuse a great deal about what ''should and shouldn't happen and how the world should be run'' yet fail to lead by example like as i've mentioned before so many people and socialists i've previously met in my lifetime.

Wow. I've done all that it this thread, have I? Are you focussing your energy and effort for this thread, or for me? I feel so special.


Originally posted by SR
How can you sit and judge others on a faux moral highground when YOUR not prepared to back up what you believe in or take the first steps in making it a reality.

A-huh. Please, list the following people who I have judged in this thread. Me judging others, when I state that there should be no borders on planet Earth and that we should all be able to coexist. Right...


Originally posted by SR
See the rank hypocricsy?

Yeah, I see it alright! And I know that I'll keep seeing it everytime that you reply!

Please, do reply though. Your efforts to bump this thread are greatly appreciated. I know how other ATS users might want to read on-topic discussion, after by-passing your off-topic nonsense.



I didn't call you a socialist though, it was a describtive sentence. I inferred you shared the same qualities of people and socialists i've met. Again my friend grasping those replies and context is causing you grief.

Er why would anyone want to cross borders those trivial little things that exist call borders why would anyone want to leave their country and go live in another country a trivial little thing like that, OMGZ i know let's repeatedly answer posts in a thread about it with the exact same kind of ''trivial'' details that don't matter.

If you call someone who wants to live in your house oh and i can build my own boat too trivial btw and nonsensical then what about people that want to immigrate by any means neccesary into your own country??

Omgz there's that lovely little logical malfunction popping up again.

You judged the guy in the article for his opinion and i qoute:

''A-huh. More common sense and insight from a political leader... Not. ''

He's a person.

Or is it because your making the claim that the details don't matter??

Why can't i come live in your house and country yet you said all borders shouldn't exist.

Like i said you talk alot about free borders etc. but when the crunch comes to the crunch your a hypocrite.

Well i'm just glad i'm doing my part in exposing the rank hypocricsy and lack of logical thinking going on in some parts of ATS and the world.



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posted on Jul, 9 2009 @ 05:24 AM
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It's a ''slightly'' radical solution they've come up with. More logically, the EU should perhaps create an EU coast guard as preliminary experiment for an EU military, which many leaders want. Invest a significant amount in ships like this Ocean Patrol Vessel (OPV), helicopters and patrol aircrafts and let them patrol the southern borders and Spanish islands.




I don't want illegal immigration either, but killing illegal immigrants is way beyond acceptable. The BNP should be ashamed for disrespecting Western values. Instead, simply send them back upon arrival. With an EU coast guard, this problem could be approached more effectively.



posted on Jul, 9 2009 @ 05:34 AM
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Originally posted by SR
Again my friend grasping those replies and context is causing you grief.

Hey, thanks for bumping my thread again with your off-topic nonsense. You really need to learn to let go of things that are trivially unimportant. I can't help that you misread my OP, it's your problem, not mine. I can't help that you called me ignorant in your first post, it's your problem, not mine. That's your private rant to stew about.


Originally posted by SR
You judged the guy in the article for his opinion and i qoute:
''A-huh. More common sense and insight from a political leader... Not. ''
He's a person.

Yeah, I sure did judge him and call him a jerk and I stand by it. He wants to sink boats, full of people, to discourage them from trying to safely land. He's a jerk. Now, keep on listing the other people that I have judged. This is great stuff!


Originally posted by SR
Why can't i come live in your house and country yet you said all borders shouldn't exist.

I have the feeling that you haven't really thought this statement through.

People coexisting, respect each other's right to privacy in their own homes. I don't wish anyone else to live in my home. However, there's vacant land a few blocks away - they can build a home there. They can pitch a tent in the nearby children's park... I really don't mind.

The fact that you can't distinguish between privately owned property and national borders is quite telling.

However, it does raise the issue about the skewed amounts of property that some people own. Inequity exists when people indulge in far more than they need.

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posted on Jul, 9 2009 @ 05:36 AM
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Good lord seems I am agreeing with you alot lol.

Rather than have a european defence force, why cant the EU countries come together form a European costal guard, to Stop thse boats from reaching European shores. Without blowing the boats out of the water. After all Every single Refugees human rights must be upheld. No matter if we agree with it or not.

It should not be the refugees (I hate the word Immigrant), Europe should be targeting anyways, who are probably, just looking for a better life.

It is those who agree, and take profit off them who take them from africa to the eruopean coasts. Those are the real criminals. They are the ones who should be held to account.

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posted on Jul, 9 2009 @ 06:03 AM
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Originally posted by Mdv2
I don't want illegal immigration either, but killing illegal immigrants is way beyond acceptable. The BNP should be ashamed for disrespecting Western values. Instead, simply send them back upon arrival. With an EU coast guard, this problem could be approached more effectively.




In the part of the interview i saw on TV last night he didn't say he wanted them killed, he sated that their boats should be sunk they should then be given rafts and sent on their way back home


SR

posted on Jul, 9 2009 @ 07:58 AM
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Originally posted by tezzajw

Originally posted by SR
Again my friend grasping those replies and context is causing you grief.

Hey, thanks for bumping my thread again with your off-topic nonsense. You really need to learn to let go of things that are trivially unimportant. I can't help that you misread my OP, it's your problem, not mine. I can't help that you called me ignorant in your first post, it's your problem, not mine. That's your private rant to stew about.


Originally posted by SR
You judged the guy in the article for his opinion and i qoute:
''A-huh. More common sense and insight from a political leader... Not. ''
He's a person.

Yeah, I sure did judge him and call him a jerk and I stand by it. He wants to sink boats, full of people, to discourage them from trying to safely land. He's a jerk. Now, keep on listing the other people that I have judged. This is great stuff!


Originally posted by SR
Why can't i come live in your house and country yet you said all borders shouldn't exist.

I have the feeling that you haven't really thought this statement through.

People coexisting, respect each other's right to privacy in their own homes. I don't wish anyone else to live in my home. However, there's vacant land a few blocks away - they can build a home there. They can pitch a tent in the nearby children's park... I really don't mind.

The fact that you can't distinguish between privately owned property and national borders is quite telling.

However, it does raise the issue about the skewed amounts of property that some people own. Inequity exists when people indulge in far more than they need.

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It's ok mate that's what ATS is about debating and helping each other out


Thanks for admitting your mistake finally let's hope we can move on now that hurdle has been jumped over and your happy with owning up to what you said. Glad you manned up and took responsiblity their.

And i agree he is a jerk also for the extremities of his opinion but let's not forget something.... who the real cowards in the scenario actually are.

Is the elected guy who states stuff like this in public to be criticised a coward or the people who sit their crowing and judging from the side lines or behind computer screens who then don't back up or implement their own proposed opinions, beliefs or plans in real life the cowards in the situation.

Right or wrong he's been democratically elected by people i assume and obviously he is stating the concerns of the people he has been elected by as any elected repersentive would.

And lol i have thought it out very well i'm afraid that's why if you won't let be stay at your house i'll ask you now to build me a house in that vacant lot.

Go on no arguements or tittle tattle go build me a house in that vacant spot. So when you give me your address and finally make it to your shores in my boat, I can come thank you and live in that house in your country.

No please tell us all what you assume is public and private land.

I've got the grim feeling i'm dealing with another ''property is theft (unless it's my property)'' believer.

Hence the inability to realise the obvious, but i will be happy to oblige in explaining the ramifications and failures of your view.



posted on Jul, 9 2009 @ 08:10 AM
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Phew, this is a hot topic, dare I touch?

Well, yes, of course I dare. Personally I don't think they should be killing people, but I do think we should be sending them back. Sort out the mess in your own country, and you might not want to escape so bad that you are willing to risk life and limb on a rickety raft crossing the Med.



posted on Jul, 9 2009 @ 08:35 AM
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Originally posted by SR
Thanks for admitting your mistake finally let's hope we can move on now that hurdle has been jumped over and your happy with owning up to what you said. Glad you manned up and took responsiblity their.

I haven't made a mistake to admit to, nor have I admitted to making a mistake. You must be mistaken. I asked you to list the people who I have judged and all you could list was the jerk in the OP. It was obvious from the first post that he was being judged as a jerk.

Thanks for bumping the thread though. However, I'm not sure why you chose to do it when you have nothing to add to the OP topic.


Originally posted by SR
Is the elected guy who states stuff like this in public to be criticised a coward or the people who sit their crowing and judging from the side lines or behind computer screens who then don't back up or implement their own proposed opinions, beliefs or plans in real life the cowards in the situation.

I don't know if I would call him a coward. In the OP I called him a jerk. Wanting to sink boats, with people in them, proves that he thinks like a jerk.


Originally posted by SR
And lol i have thought it out very well i'm afraid that's why if you won't let be stay at your house i'll ask you now to build me a house in that vacant lot. Go on no arguements or tittle tattle go build me a house in that vacant spot.

If you can't afford to build a house, then you can work, earn money and pay rent. It will be tough on you, initially. However, there's lots of charity organisations, a couple that I contribute to, who can help you. So, yes, I am helping you gain shelter, clothing and food by my contributions. I also pay tax. Those taxes help the government to look after people. There's two ways that I look after you.

There's a more realistic option, if you can't afford to pay rent or buy a house. You can live in a caravan in a caravan park. They are much cheaper to rent, clean, simple and offer more security than the world that you escaped from.

When you are working and you're able to support yourself, then I know that you'll also pay taxes and contribute to charity to help others. The cycle of goodness continues.


Originally posted by SR
No please tell us all what you assume is public and private land.

If you need to ask me that, then you've got a lot of thinking to do. That's a puzzle that you can work out, some day in the future. I can't help your obvious lack of understanding if you need me to define it for you.


Originally posted by SR
I've got the grim feeling i'm dealing with another ''property is theft (unless it's my property)'' believer. Hence the inability to realise the obvious, but i will be happy to oblige in explaining the ramifications and failures of your view.

Another of your off-topic, incorrect, 'feelings' that has no bearing on the thread.

Your eagerness to explain 'the failures of my view' before you even know my view, states a lot about the quality of your thought processes.

Please, continue to explain the details of property ownership in your next series of installments. Try and throw in the odd reference, here and there, to a politician wanting to sink immigrant boats, so that you appear informed.

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SR

posted on Jul, 9 2009 @ 09:14 AM
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We're not going back to your mistake yet again are we?

I thought you'd accepted you had IMPLIED African immigrants could simply hop onto a plane as you put in your own words or are you having trouble at recognising that African immigrants are human beings like ''WE'' the rest of us as you put in your own words.

Deary me mate come on a joke is a joke but your dragging this one out abit let's get back on with our debate about this topic and the issues surrounding it.

Yes i agreed with calling him a jerk as well.

But would you call the people who elected him on a platform to air such concerns cowards then if at all?? for electing someone to say in public what they maybe can't i assume??

But mate what if i can't get a job?? where will i go?? what will i do?? what if i don't earn enough money to pay for hostels or to pay rent?? what if i need transport but can't afford it?? medical care i can't pay for it till i have a job?

I want to come to your country you and your citizens should provide me with housing to live in and some money to get me started in my new life.

How do i get contact with the charities when I land in my boat?

I know the difference between public and private land as a construction worker it's my job but i'm curious on what you think it means and then in regards to a no border policy and how you would deal with the effects of said open border policy on land.

But you have failed to take into account that for a repersentative of the people to be saying things such as ''we should sink their boats'' and stay elected they must be motivated by the public they rerpersent in the first place.

Are people who oppose immigration and open border policies racist in your opinion or they just ''FAIL'' to understand your viewpoint???



posted on Jul, 9 2009 @ 09:30 AM
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Originally posted by SR
We're not going back to your mistake yet again are we?
I thought you'd accepted you had IMPLIED African immigrants could simply hop onto a plane as you put in your own words or are you having trouble at recognising that African immigrants are human beings like ''WE'' the rest of us as you put in your own words.

Hey, thanks for bumping my thread again with your off-topic nonsense. You really need to learn to let go of things that are trivially unimportant. I can't help that you misread my OP, it's your problem, not mine. I can't help that you called me ignorant in your first post, it's your problem, not mine. That's your private rant to stew about.


Originally posted by SR
Yes i agreed with calling him a jerk as well.

Great, we agree.


Originally posted by SR
But would you call the people who elected him on a platform to air such concerns cowards then if at all?? for electing someone to say in public what they maybe can't i assume??

Please show that everyone who elected him agrees with what he said. You're assuming too much about things that you don't know.


Originally posted by SR
But mate what if i can't get a job?? where will i go?? what will i do?? what if i don't earn enough money to pay for hostels or to pay rent?? what if i need transport but can't afford it?? medical care i can't pay for it till i have a job?

Minimum wage in Australia is $14.31 per hour. That's enough for you to rent a caravan and buy food. You might even have some spare money left over to save for a house deposit, or to educate yourself and upgrade your skills. If you can't get a job, then you may need assistance. We have the government agency called Centrelink to help you find a job and slot right in to the system.


Originally posted by SR
I want to come to your country you and your citizens should provide me with housing to live in and some money to get me started in my new life. How do i get contact with the charities when I land in my boat?

Great, come here and work hard, you might have a better life than the one that you left behind. Follow the neon signs that are posted on each beach, they'll point you to the nearest safe haven for refugees.


Originally posted by SR
I know the difference between public and private land as a construction worker it's my job

Then you don't need me to explain it for you.


Originally posted by SR
But you have failed to take into account that for a repersentative of the people to be saying things such as ''we should sink their boats'' and stay elected they must be motivated by the public they rerpersent in the first place.

Prove that he was motivated by the people who elected him to say that.


Originally posted by SR
Are people who oppose immigration and open border policies racist in your opinion or they just ''FAIL'' to understand your viewpoint???

I don't know if it is racist or elitist or if there's a word for it. To me, they are fearful people. They know that they derive the quality of their 'better' lives, understanding that the resources they consume are not equally distributed across the planet. They have most of them, the third-world has none. They don't want to share, so they want to close their borders.

They think that they have too much to lose by opening their borders with welcoming arms. Far too much hate and fear in the world. A wise old man once said that fear leads to the Dark Side. Closing borders and turning away people in need is not a charitable act. People are born free.


SR

posted on Jul, 9 2009 @ 10:20 AM
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I have looked this chap up and his party up today and people in these threads have commented on an underlining platform that obviously some view and have the opinion as a ''racist'' platform that said repersentative promotes and was elected on.

The bottom line we can agree on statistically is that some people must of agreed with what he was offering to turn around and then elect him, unless you propose he was not elected via conventional means?

It would be a case of us both assuming to much to know the mindset of what exact part of policies the voter elected him on so i'll apologise for my part in that flaw of thinking.

But why would a politican say it and cause outrage in the first place unless he was confident enough that his opinion was shared?

Surely his career would be over if this was not the case?

From what i've seen when i looked him up his career is only starting so it may be inexperience or it may be the conclusion i suggested or another reason.

Lets remember the Tampa case you lead me to earlier, Your Previous PM had alot of support was it 75%, I read in one article for the actions he took during that incident.

Did that percievement of popularity then urge your previous PM to make the famous immigrants must adapt to the australian way of life speech??

I don't believe 75% of Australians are anti-immigrant and even if they where it wouldn't be my business to judge them but these sentiments are root and branched from somewhere and grow over time.

The same as this guy talking about sinking boats in my opinion you just don't wake up one day and decide to write a speech about sinking immigrant ships without root and branch sentiment and support but that's another issue.

I'm glad you did not fall into the trap of generalising people or speaking on behalf of people you do not know.

I don't personally hold the view these people that voted for him are cowards as I don't know them or the reasons why they voted for this repersentative so can't comment it was merely a question that you have answered sufficently enough.



posted on Jul, 9 2009 @ 03:09 PM
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I think the BNP Leader missed the point, he should have said those who offerred, those refugees, passage to the EU shores, should be held to account. Instead he said, e should sink thier boats.

What gets me some say in here he would let refugees die, sorry I did not see that, nor read that. He said throw them a raft, metaphor for help those refugees, and send them back to libya, metaphor for their designated countries.

I am not defending the dude but some of the things on this thread have been takenout of proportion.



posted on Jul, 9 2009 @ 03:40 PM
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He denied advocating that anyone should be "murdered at sea", saying: "They can throw them a life raft and they can go back to Libya.


This isn’t just an exercise in morals for me.
I see first hand on the news (and the beach) the dead bodies.

Report after report on the news showing the boats of immigrants packed tighter than any sardine ever imagined - the dead and dying thrown overboard - the pregnant women giving birth prematurely on board - or dying while still pregnant - the children born or dying on the way...

The trafficking of these people is one of the cruelest examples of human nature at it's worst.


''We didn't see them, but we definitely heard them screaming,'' said Nicola Notarrigo, owner of a beachfront restaurant. ''Then, moments later, we couldn't hear them anymore.''
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The only people who profit from this human traffic?
The scumbag organizers of the *trip* and the boat owners.
NOT the migrants.
The living conditions and hell they face here is never ending.

Admittedly I don't know what happens if these people can make it from here to the UK but I see every day the life they live here and it's hell.

How to stop it? Once it’s known these boats will be sunk on sight it will stop.

I despise it - of course I do.
It’s reprehensible and deplorable.


But take a walk down the beach and see the dead bloated bodies lined up one after the other - knowing without a doubt the fat cat organizer stepping over the bodies to sign up more poor migrants for their *cruise* to Sicily... It has to stop!


More than 300 African migrants are feared to have drowned after their boats capsized off the coast of Libya, the International Organizations for Migration (IOM) said on Tuesday. Up to three vessels lacking lifeboats are believed to have sunk off Libya in heavy winds as they headed for Italy, while a fourth boat in difficulty was towed to shore, a spokesman said.

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The Maltese military recovered on July 10 the bodies of three would-be immigrants, while officials described the expected arrival on the island nation of over 100 illegal immigrants as a “crisis situation.” The bodies - including that of a pregnant woman - were pulled from the water by the crew on board a military patrol boat which was returning to Malta after taking on board 25 would-be immigrants. The group, with their boat in distress, had been rescued earlier by a Maltese trawler, officials said. In a separate incident, an Italian patrol boat, operating with the European Union agency for external border security, Frontex, brought 86 would-be immigrants to Malta earlier the same today.

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Seventy would-be illegal African immigrants to Europe perished when their boat sank in the Mediterranean Sea, according to eight companions rescued Wednesday off Malta, officials said.

Some 380 illegal immigrants have died at sea over the first six months of this year in the Sicily Canal, the Mediterranean strip between Sicily and Tunisia, the aid charity Doctors Without Borders estimates.

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In my opinion this is very similar to the line of thinking any payment of money to kidnappers should be outlawed and those who do pay should be prosecuted.
All you do paying them off is give into their demands and facilitate the kidnapping of more people.
No money. No more. It will stop.

In my opinion - yes - Sink them and toss them a life raft and send them back.

It’s hell a few people will have to die - to save the many - yes.

But in the case of the immigrants though, by taking this hard line of action you will be saving numerous lives by sending the people back on rafts after their boats are sunk.

Problem is until you can get to the root of the problem (the people behind the illegal transportation of humans) - the only choice is, as horrific as it is to say - sink them.


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posted on Jul, 9 2009 @ 04:04 PM
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In response to the people who say people should be able to live in any country they want I'd like to explain that here in the U.K our resources are already dangerously over-stretched, the N.H.S and the welfare system is rapidly approaching collapse so we cannot support any more illegal immigrants and quite frankly I'm sick of people illegally entering into our country unchecked, I read a statistic the other day about how many wanted rapists and murderers have entered the U.K, we've got enough of those already thanks.

Something drastic does need to be done but nothing so ridiculous as blowing people out of their boats (as if that would happen anyway, even if the B.N.P were in power). Our current government is way too soft, too scared of offending the rest of the E.U, our current government has no backbone, it's like the B.N.P are at one end of the spectrum and Brown and his cronies are at the other, where's the balance? There is none as usual.



posted on Jul, 9 2009 @ 04:42 PM
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LMAO! The gall of those racist elitists. I wonder what their parent's would say when they actually saw black folks fighting and dying to help them during both world wars..hell i know what the french did..they decorated them with medals!

Europe has the same problem as America. But with the failing infrastructure and aging population who are they going to get to work those low paying jobs? Not Europeans because if they was, then there wouldn't be a demand for them, sorta like Mexicans in Americans.

It always get a huge laugh outta stuff like, it's tragically hilarious. No American is willing to do landscaping in North Carolina for 7 or 8 dollars an hour in 100+ degree weather, but don't give it to De-Jesus!

In the words of steven a smith "Quite frankly" to many people in the west are allergic to actual HARD work. I remember watching the history channel and a border patrol agent said that illegal Mexicans don't mind doing "menial" labor, BS! They are just doing HARD work and if you want an American to do some hard work, you need to come out those pockets and there lies the essence of the problem.

These immigrants come over, bust it out in 8 hrs like it ain't no thing..it's work! Your job doesn't define who you are, you do.



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