The BNP are showing their true colours.
I hope everyone who voted for them under the illusion that they are not a racist party are thoroughly ashamed.
I doubt they will be though.

I dont understand, I got called a racist bigot and received death threats for saying we should shoot the illegals jumping fences. When a politician says the exact same thing its perfectly fine?

Originally posted by Happyfeet
I dont understand, I got called a racist bigot and received death threats for saying we should shoot the illegals jumping fences. When a politician says the exact same thing its perfectly fine?

The politician apparently wanted to throw them a life raft so they wouldn't die. If you shoot them they could die, and then throwing them a life raft might not help too much. I'm not supporting either action, just saying it's a big difference between murdering someone and trying to get them to take a life raft back home.

Well..at least he has exposed himself for being racist!

Originally posted by ziggy1706
Well..at least he has exposed himself for being racist!

Who me? I should clarify that I had that idea when I was 14. These days I am a bit older and wiser.

That is disgraceful. The value of human life has been severely lowered. What happened to helping those that needed help.
That is worse than our policy here in Australia.
I hope they tell him to PING off well and truly. Even better, lets put him on a boat with a few immigrants and see how he fares, in fact, no lets drop him off in one of the countries that these people are coming from and see how long he survives then.

Shameful

Although reading the full article did actually make sense.

More and more Africans are dying at sea because of making makeshift boats to get to the EU.

So obviously closing the sea route off in the long run equals less africans deaths.

But then again the OP doesn't strike me as the denying ignorance type.

Originally posted by SR
More and more Africans are dying at sea because of making makeshift boats to get to the EU. So obviously closing the sea route off in the long run equals less africans deaths.

Right... so the solution is to sink the boats they are using and throwing them a life raft. That's not going to endanger any more lives, will it?

Do you think that solution will work in the long run? I don't.

Originally posted by SR
But then again the OP doesn't strike me as the denying ignorance type.

If expressing disgust at planning to sink boats - with people on them - is ignorant, then I'm glad to be ignorant.

What's your excuse?

I didn't say i agreed with his solution did I so don't try and put words in my mouth thanks

I said reading the article makes sense which it does if you use logic.

Africans are trying to chart dangerous seas with little to no navigating experience in shoddy boats and then dying in record numbers.

So would you rather let Africans builf up their hopes of getting to another country, delude themselves by making a makeshift boat and then dying out in sea en masse because they are too inexperienced and ill prepared for the hazards.

Wow what a nice person you are.......

Or howabout closing the sea routes off so they don't make the risky journey in the first place.

Again coming from someone who firsts reads and posts an article about people who are desperate enough to travel from parts of AFRICA to the EU* on rickety boats in the first place and then has the stupidity in the same post to mention and imply same africans can then can travel by sea on planes** if the cap fits then wear it.



*(which first makes me question your grasp on geograpy)
**(Gee whiz i wonder why broke ass african people didn't think of that first??? when building their rickety boats made from whatever they can find lying about, indeed why not just spend a 1000 dollars on a plane ticket they must obviously have lying about instead of wasting all that time boat building...........

S&F! Nick Griffin is a proper pillock & before his term in the EU Parliament is up, everyone will know it. TBH, this is why I'm against censoring "hate speech" because if this pillock could say what he really wants, he'd be exposed all the quicker. We already have laws to prosecute people who are accessories to crime by instigating it, so there's no reason not to allow people to shout their bigotry as loud as they want. Its just incumbent on the rest of us to vociferously disagree &/or mock unsparingly IRL not just online.

Originally posted by SR
I said reading the article makes sense which it does if you use logic. Africans are trying to chart dangerous seas with little to no navigating experience in shoddy boats and then dying in record numbers.

So the solution is to sink their boats to help them in the long run?

Originally posted by SR
So would you rather let Africans builf up their hopes of getting to another country, delude themselves by making a makeshift boat and then dying out in sea en masse because they are too inexperienced and ill prepared for the hazards.

So the solution is to sink their boats to help them in the long run?

Originally posted by SR
Or howabout closing the sea routes off so they don't make the risky journey in the first place.

So to close off the sea routes means that their boats need to be sunk, to help them in the long run?

Originally posted by SR
Again coming from someone who firsts reads and posts an article about people who are desperate enough to travel from parts of AFRICA to the EU* on rickety boats in the first place and then has the stupidity in the same post to mention and imply same africans can then can travel by sea on planes** if the cap fits then wear it.

Where in the OP did I mention that Africans were using planes to illegally migrate??? Please, before you begin your rant against me, read what I typed. I did not type that African refugees were using planes to enter the EU. Other immigrants use planes, every day, to enter the EU.

People have options to cross oceans. It is not possible to stop people crossing oceans. It is not possible to stop illegal immigration and it is not possible to secure borders. Only someone stupid would think that it's possible to stop illegal entry into a country, by any means, especially by stating that sea-routes should be closed.

Besides, I don't agree that immigration is illegal. People should be free to travel across the Earth whenever and wherever they like to. National identity and patriotism is a myth.

Thanks for proving my point, sterling job keep it up mate, let everyone else see that not only do you not read replies or understand them you falsely imply things to people in an attempt to silence debate.

Last time i looked it stated in your membership participation to Deny Ignorance not to spead it.

Originally posted by SR
Last time i looked it stated in your membership participation to Deny Ignorance not to spead it.

Not a problem. I can only post the news items as I see them. Thanks for bumping my thread.

Sinking boats is not the solution to stopping 'illegal' immigration by sea. Closing sea routes will not work either, thinking that to be the case would be extremely ignorant.

Did i ever say it was? no but your implying that i am and that by commenting the way i did that illegal immigration is wrong etc.

Why should i have to defend against what i clearly have never stated?

Edit: in regards to sinking ships as i did said i think the sea routes should be closed to avoid further needless loss of life.

[edit on 8-7-2009 by SR]

Originally posted by SR
Although reading the full article did actually make sense.

Originally posted by SR
I didn't say i agreed with his solution did I so don't try and put words in my mouth thanks
I said reading the article makes sense which it does if you use logic.

Originally posted by SR
Did i ever say it was? no but your implying that i am and that by commenting the way i did that illegal immigration is wrong etc.

Your words, not mine.

I wish that you would select one clear position about this and stick to it. The article makes sense, but you don't agree with the solution. Right...

I didn't imply anything about you. Your words are on the screen for all to see.

Originally posted by SR
Edit: in regards to sinking ships as i did said i think the sea routes should be closed to avoid further needless loss of life.

How does sinking ships reduce the loss of life?

Thanks for bumping the thread again!

Are you being deliberately annoying for the sake of it?? why are you only cherry picking words that suit your case when everyone can read the full comments, why are you trying to misqoute the answers i give??

Are they not clear enough?

The question begs how have you lasted so long around here with such underhand debating skills.

Once again where have i said i agree with sinking ships?? I pretty sure i said i didn't say i agreed with the solution proposed, in ohhhhhh the first sentence of my second comment in this thread posting but please lets keep up this show of stupidity if you wish.

My position has been clear from the start, where as you've been trying to throw mud and continue to show yourself up.





[edit on 8-7-2009 by SR]

Originally posted by SR
Once again where have i said i agree with sinking ships?? I pretty sure i said i didn't agree with the solution proposed, in ohhhhhh the first sentence of my second comment in this thread posting but please lets keep up this show of stupidity if you wish.

I never stated that you agreed with sinking ships. I kept asking you if that was the correct solution procedure!

So the solution is to sink their boats to help them in the long run?

How do you propose to close off the sea routes to stop immigration by sea?

Originally posted by SR
My position has been clear from the start, where as you've been trying to throw mud and continue to show yourself up.

You can continue your off-topic rants about me as much as you like.

Thanks for bumping the thread!

It's a solution i wouldn't agree with no.

Get in contact with governments of the countries where most illegal sea immigration occurs and issue literature and advice educating the populace on the dangers of said method of travel.

Encourage said goverments to try and stop their people from trying to immigrate dangerously by sea.

Propose a sea's charter that any people caught on boats out on sea sha;; be picked up and either returned to country of origin or escorted to the nearest safe country.

Would be all i could think up off the top of my head right now at 2am in the morning and that's just the way the cookie crumbles making unpopular threads popular.