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The plan is to use America to break America - David Icke

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posted on May, 7 2004 @ 01:03 AM
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David Icke's take on the Iraq torture scandal is now on his website.

Irrespective of his 'Reptilian Theory', a lot of what he says seems to be coming true. His explanation of Problem-Reaction-Solution fits in exactly with what is going on in the world right now.

The violence in Iraq may be bad for America, but it serves the Illuminati perfectly by justifying the continued, and indeed expanded, presence of US troops in the Middle East in line with their long-planned agenda for global control.

In the same way, the global condemnation of the torture and abuse of Iraqi prisoners is bad for America, but perfect for the Illuminati that controls the U.S. administrations.

But why?

The United States may be the world superpower today and that's precisely what the Illuminati planned for it to be in the agenda for the centralisation of global control ...

But while America is being used now as the vehicle to impose this current stage of the fascist agenda it is not meant to continue as the superpower ...

The reason is this: a world government (dictatorship) and a superpower do not go together. The Illuminati dictatorship is meant to be the only superpower and for that to happen the United States must be brought into line.


Read the whole article here.




posted on May, 7 2004 @ 01:07 AM
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I...really can't believe Icke is still being used. I kinda wish we were in the old days. You know the ones, where a false prophet, one who missed one prophesy was stoned. The world's population would be better off. I've heard/read far too many Icke interpretations/prophesy to be swayed by this one even an iota. (sorry, spelling sucks)



posted on May, 7 2004 @ 01:19 AM
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I was merely posting his opinion on the Iraq war and the abuse claims. I also happen to agree with him on some of the things he says with regards the war and the New World Order.

Problem-Reaction-Solution has been used for many years not least during Hitler's third reich. Diocletian used it to opress Christians during his reign as Roman Emperor. Its also believed that the sinking of the Lusitania and Pearl Harbour were similar events (designed to bring the US into two worldwars).



posted on May, 7 2004 @ 09:47 AM
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You got that right. The Elite Illuminati Cult are using their tactics again to bring the world further under their control with the sudden display of this horrible Iraqi prisoner torture in mainstream media. I know that there is some sort of agenda and political end behind it when I first saw the images broadcasted all across the mainstream mediums. I believe they ingeniously engineered Adolf Hitler's rise to power as a mad dictator to advance their agenda as well. Many people out there refuse to see what is going on in this world and maybe that's why they call Ignorance, Bliss.



posted on May, 7 2004 @ 10:01 AM
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www.abovetopsecret.com...

I like David Icke and know what he is referring to when he speaks of reptillians. I have seen peoples personas change in the office work place. Use to work for the Tx House of Representatives,,,,one big masonic castle


Anyway, they didnt actually turn into lizards but their personas and behaviours matched that of reptillian characteristics as he describes. Cold, Calculating, Devious, A type personality on steroids basically.

I wouldn't dismiss David Icke so quickly. Remember the perfect cover(national security) is one that is so out there and ludicrous, no one will ever believe it. Thats how it survives, through the majorities unbelief.


See Secret Covenant:

An illusion it will be, so large, so vast it will escape their perception.
Those who will see it will be thought of as insane.
We will create separate fronts to prevent them from seeing the connection between us.
We will behave as if we are not connected to keep the illusion alive.
Our goal will be accomplished one drop at a time so as to never bring suspicion upon ourselves. This will also prevent them from seeing the changes as they occur.

www.livingstonemusic.net...



posted on May, 7 2004 @ 11:48 AM
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Originally posted by project_pisces
Anyway, they didnt actually turn into lizards but their personas and behaviours matched that of reptillian characteristics as he describes. Cold, Calculating, Devious, A type personality on steroids basically.


I know the very type. I was married to one of them back in the early 80's. She even had the piercing cold blue eyes.


Originally posted by project_pisces
See Secret Covenant:

An illusion it will be, so large, so vast it will escape their perception.
Those who will see it will be thought of as insane.
We will create separate fronts to prevent them from seeing the connection between us.
We will behave as if we are not connected to keep the illusion alive.
Our goal will be accomplished one drop at a time so as to never bring suspicion upon ourselves. This will also prevent them from seeing the changes as they occur.


That sounds suspiciously like the Protocols of Zion, which David Icke knows as 'The Illuminati Protocols'.



posted on May, 9 2004 @ 02:55 AM
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The thing is Daivd Icke has been writing about the Global Agenda for a decade now, if you see his book 'The Robot?s Rebellion - The Story of the Spiritual Renaissance' (it doesnt have any reptillian theories by the way, that came after) which was written in 1994, you'll a lot of whats going on now in there,

so its not as if he has been writing this stuff on a whim in recent months, he as well as others have been writinbg and talking about this stuff for ages now, and what they have been saying is happening NOW!!!



posted on May, 9 2004 @ 03:57 AM
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Great thread Pisky, your correct. USA may be the super power but it won't be for long. Icke may not have all the facts right, but he has many of them. I saw him in Nov. last year. The illuminati will take us into WWIII either under Bush or Kerry, even if Kerry doesn't win the election this year, he will be back.

My personal belief on the reptillian thing, is the bloodlines, many of our presidents were from the same bloodline. These could be connected or the reptoids could just be a demonic force controlling many people.

This "leak" will probably turn into a terrorist attack in the near future. You can already see it coming in the stock market.........



posted on May, 9 2004 @ 10:41 AM
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David Icke has done his research. As far as royal bloodlines, etc., we know royalty usually only marry other royalty-- keeping the bloodlines pure. Illuminati are the royal bloodlines. What do they have in common?
All are desendants of Cain. The mark of cain is a red cross usually around the shoulder blade, although i have heard of some who have it on their chest.Which would explain why the templar knights use the red cross across the chest as their symbol.



posted on May, 22 2004 @ 01:39 PM
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Have a read through David Icke's 'Children of the Matrix'.
Many interesting viewpoints on the reptillian issues, along with many many others.

At first I thought he was doing shrooms but the more I think about it the dude might be on to something.

As quoted earlier......'the truth is first ridiculed..........



posted on May, 22 2004 @ 02:02 PM
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David Icke is beyond ridiculing. He's a complete crank.
When he was the voice of BBC sport he was unbearable enough, now he's actually got people listening to him, he's a complete tard.

Personally, if the guy ever came near me, I'd smack him in the face.
Then he'd feel how much pain a hologramatic fist could deliver.

His theories don't bear up to scrutiny. Sure, on the outside they look good enough, but once you delve into a bit of science they fall apart quicker than a leper in a wind tunnel.



posted on May, 24 2004 @ 12:19 PM
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Have to agree, the guy always starts off by making some sense and then screwing it all up for himself by coming out with a load of ridiculous crap.



posted on May, 24 2004 @ 12:25 PM
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Though I have very limited experience with Icke on the whole, from what I've read of his lately, I have drawn two conclusions:

I. He is absolutely correct.
II. He is totally bunk.

There doesn't seem to be much gray area with any of his ideas. Then again, one's acceptace of his ideas is wholly based upon one's perception of the world around them and their own life experiences.
For me, I really have to take a lot of what he says with a grain of salt: Occasionally he does come off sounding a bit like a rambling paranoic with a trunk full of WACO pamphlets.
But then - then - he will say something that is totally, wholly, inredibly "true." And it suddenly negates all previous experiences of him being wrong.

I am not sure if I agree with the contestations made in the Iraqi Troop post by Pisky. However, I think that if you use the basis of his argument, there's a lot of truth to what he says.



posted on May, 24 2004 @ 01:22 PM
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Quick thought.

What if there is a NWO on the cusp of being established?

What better way to buy time and distract those who are starting to catch on then by mixing some correct ideas with some ludicrous ones??

Ever heard of a wild-goose chase????
It wastes valuable time of those catching on to truth and dis-credits the entire "conspiracy" theory.

That reasoning leads to two conclusions...

1. They have to be Very close to their goal.
2.There must be more disturbing info that no one has uncovered.



posted on May, 24 2004 @ 02:33 PM
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There are more things in the universe than are contained in anyone of our philosophys.....If you think Icke is a crank you are simply off handedly dismissing him and have probably read nothing he has put out.....if even 10% of what he writes is true , the human race is up sheet creek....i would dare say that 50% of it is true and that is a very conservative estimate.....i would dare say 80% or more of what he is relating is true...

We are at a point where much of the human race has become arrogant and we believe we know just about every thing there is to know and if anyone suggests differently the ego gets in the way and says to the tenant of the body ...."Hey .....there telling you....that you really dont know squat!!!"
Thats where the problem lies.....people are safe when they can believe all the indoctrination and propaganda that modern media ...science and the powers that be feed to them .....to believe something other than that ,lowers the safety net theyve got and along with the ego feeling insulted ,the first thing they put up is there defense shield of ignorance....which they like to refer to as knowledge ....which in fact is brainwashing
As a race it would be a conservative estimate to say that we probably know less than 1/100th of a percent of total knowable knowledge......

look back in time and the people who lived in the 16th century ....How much did they really know....??? But if you went up to anyone of them and asked them about how much was known by there modern science and arts and literature.....and im sure a large amount of them would say " We know alot and probably just about all there is to know " and of course theyll back it up with all kinds of references to the people in science and what not.....and if you told them something that we know is fact today ...you know what theyd do ....call you a nutter or turn you in to the inquistion to be burned or drawn and quartered...

look at what we know now compared to 400 yrs ago....and you just off handedly are going to dismiss Icke as a nut....
and all the research pulled from other minds who have done incredible amounts of research

and you probably havent read one of his books....???
At one time i never read any thing of his and I was seeing things being put in motion that hes talking about long before he ever put it in print..!!!!
But i never dis miss anything till i read it fully and research it......

[Edited on 24-5-2004 by watcheroftheskies]


DWK

posted on May, 24 2004 @ 04:44 PM
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I don't think "they" are that close to anything.

The US is still firmly in power.



posted on May, 26 2004 @ 12:15 AM
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Icke is on the money on some matters, on others I think he is just a lil fallen from the tree, I like alot of what he has to say, but I cannot take it all. But a few good habits I do is to take what can be proven true, espically with some of Ickes check it with other theories and ideas and through it all you may find some truth. He does extensive research for the most part. I cant say I belive that People are full blown reptillians atleast those in office, but I will buy that they are bred for the jobs of puppet. It makes sense to me, plus there is alot of research out there dealing with our reptillian mind trends. Overall Icke is worth reading if nothing else, for some entertainment and some good information and theories if you can hold on and follow him that far. I think he should do more lectures to clarify himself and get himself out there where the common man can hear his voice, Ive seen lectures that won me over but upon reading the written material betrayed the speaker, and the other way around as well. Read on, dont through Icke out completely, thats closing doors of information that may mean nothing with his reptillian ideas but can benefit other beliefs or knowledge



posted on May, 26 2004 @ 12:17 AM
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Let me correct myself. "throw" not through, excuse me all, im up a lil late tonight



posted on May, 26 2004 @ 01:00 AM
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Originally posted by DWK
I don't think "they" are that close to anything.

The US is still firmly in power.


The US people ? - think again.
The US administration ? - I doubt it.
Skull & Bones/CFR ? ... Both GW Bush and JF Kerry are Skull & Bones and CFR ... could it be them ???

Probably



posted on May, 26 2004 @ 08:54 AM
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great quote i heard, "most of the greatest revolutionaries of our day and age are labeled terrorists" -el-p



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