posted on May, 9 2004 @ 01:34 PM
"... What for centuries was understood to be right and wrong, you say it isn't and you claim that the Bible has been altered and corrupted more
times than we'll ever know..."
You seem to think that homosexuality is a modern invention, and that every ancient culture was opposed to it.
Well, for one: wrong.
Homosexuality has been around since the beginning of recorded history. Look at the legend/myths of Gilgamesh. The warrior/lover theme was not just a
literary device but a fact of life. Alexander the Great was called Great because he was a warrior. The fact that he had male lovers did not seem to
bother his contemporaries.
I believe that to be rationalization, and I believe that to not see murdering unborn is immoral can only be accomplished because of a hardened
heart. It shouldn't take the Bible, altered or not, to see that, but in this nation as well as others, the Bible has been the basis for law and
Also, the Bible HAS been altered and translated and retranslated more times than anyone can count. Most words that have been translated into English
as 'homosexual' were originally words that meant 'temple prostitute.' Other words originally meant 'weak.' I don't know about you, but I know
lots of lesbians and gay men who are not weak. And, come to think of it, not a single one of them is a temple prostitute.
The Old Testament claims that homosexuality is an 'abomination' can only be taken in the context in which they were offered. Eating shellfish was an
equal abomination. So was wearing clothing woven of two kinds of thread. By this Old Testament stance (quoting Leviticus) you should be condemning not
only lesbians and gay men, but also everyone in Red Lobster. Especially if they are wearing cotton/poly blends.
By the way, touching the skin of a pig is an abomination, too. So let's include everyone in the NFL while we're casting this net of who is holy and
who is not.
"... you are lending the idea that right and wrong is as relative as the human considering the concept..."
Oh, I see. There has only been one code of conduct throughout history, and all the good people have adhered to it while all the bad people have
violated it. Perhaps you are unaware that left handed peole were considered evil? Perhaps you don't remember that during the Crusades countless Jews
and Moslems were slaughtered because they didn't accept Jesus as their savior? This was considered a holy work, mind you. Perhaps you aren't aware
that slave owners used the Bible to defend their right to own slaves? (There are plently of verses in the Bible that support slave ownership) In the
Middle Ages, owning and reading the Bible was limited to clergy alone. For a layperson to do so was to expose him/her to accusations of witchraft,
which often resulted in execution.
Karen Amstrong, in her preface to 'A History of God' states:
"When one conception of God has ceased to have meaning or relevance, it has been quietly discarded and replaced by a new theology. A fundamentalist
would deny this, since fundamentalism is antihistorical: it believes that Abraham, Moses and the later prophets all experienced their God in exactly
the same way as people do today. Yet if we look at our three religions [Judaism, Christianity, Islam, the 3 major mono-theistic religions] it becomes
clear that there is no objective view of "God": each generation has to creat the image of God that works for it."
Why are Judaism, Christianity and Islam railed against by atheists, agnostics, scientific thinkers and those who don't fit into comfortable
categories? Because these three faiths - interwoven as they are - are the most susceptible to a fundamentalist theology, one that says: "If you
don't beleve what I believe then you are wrong." Some take this to the extreme and actually kill those who do not believe what they believe. Others
go to great lengths to ostracize those who do not believe what they believe, going so far as to pass local, state, and federal laws against them.
This is where it looks to me like intolerance goes to far. If you don't want to be gay/pagan/atheist - fine. By all means, don't be. Just don't try
to pass laws that say what I do in the privacy of my home is illegal.
I have heard stated on these pages that America is a 'Christian nation.' This is simply not true. America was founded on ideals of freedom of
religious expression, and freedom from state-sanctioned religion. To insist that America is a Christian nation, or that it must be, is a dangerous
notion, one that becomes appears exceedingly hyprocritical when one sees to what lengths we are (seemingly) going to eradicate the Taliban.
". . . Monkey, they are proud of you, I'm sure. . ."
I am very glad to have non-gay people vocally asserting the fact that there ARE gay people in America, and that we ARE part of the fabric of society
and that my being gay does not affect the existence of straight people anywhere. If you don't like it when I hold my partner's hand in public, then
look the other way. If you don't like thinking of what we do in bed, the please think of something else. But mostly, we read.
- - - A proud upstanding American Christian gay citizen - - -