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Originally posted by ArbitrageurAs Jim Oberg put it, they are embarrassing themselves,
I'm not sure where the NASA honesty comment is coming from.
I saw accusations like that in another thread where NASA is claiming ice and debris is actually ice and debris instead of intelligently controlled spacecraft.
When I watched the video it looks like ice and debris to me. I think if NASA accidentally photographed a secret satellite, they might edit that out of the picture before releasing it, for reasons of national security, is that what you're talking about?
Because several of these particles had clear disks they were not on the camera lens but rather quite remote, >10 m. Based on drag calculations they must have been quite large (larger than cm diameters) in order to persist with negligible motion in the field-of-view, We can offer no better explanation at this time.
Particles were often observed with rapidly oscillating radiance levels as
if they were presenting different geometric aspects to the camera. We believe
they were non-spherical particles rotating. One particle exhibited 47
periodic oscillations during a 2.5 s exposure. We are unable to postulate a
source mechanism which would give rise to such rapidly rotating particles.
Drag would tend to damp these rotations
I guess I'm not aware of why NASA has such a credibility problem.
I want to see the flags , the footprints, car tracks, the camera they left..
Originally posted by weedwhacker
Think this through, for just a couple of seconds......OK? Thought about it?
OK, just in case you didn't get my point yet, here's why you're going to be disappointed-----
Under normal operating conditions, the highest resolution images the MOC narrow angle camera can obtain are about 1.4 to 1.5 meters per pixel (4.6-5.0 feet/pixel). An image of 1.4 m/pixel permits objects approximately 4 to 5 meters across (13-16 ft) to be clearly resolved. The new technique developed by the MOC and MGS operations teams, known as cPROTO for "compensated Pitch and Roll Targeted Observation," allows the camera to obtain images that have better than 1 meter per pixel resolution. Typically, the images will have about 1.5 meters per pixel resolution in the cross-track (east-west) direction, and about 50 centimeters (half a meter) per pixel in the downtrack (north-south) direction. These pictures also have an improved signal-to-noise ratio when compared to "normal" 1.5 m/pixel images, thus improving on the overall quality of a typical MOC full-resolution image. MOC cPROTO images allow objects of as small as 1.5 meters (5 feet) to be seen, including the Mars Exploration Rovers and the tracks they make on the surface.
The first three missions, dedicated to imaging 20 potential Apollo landing sites, were flown at near equatorial orbits as close as 22 miles above the lunar surface. The fourth and fifth missions were devoted to broader scientific objectives, and were flown in high altitude polar orbits.
Lunar Orbiter 5, Frame 168-H2
Down slope boulder trail and boulder on the Moon
Lunar Orbiter 5 image of a boulder (just right of center) which has rolled and slid down a slope and left a trail on the Moon's surface. This is within the crater Vitello, and demonstrates the small role that such processes, called gravity wasting, have on the lunar surface. The main source of surface modification on the Moon is meteorite and micro meteorite bombardment. North is up.
Location & Time Information
Site: Vitello (41)
Date/Time (UT): 1967-08-17 T 04:04:40
Distance/Range (km): 172
Central Latitude/Longitude (deg): -30.54,322.40
"Lunar Orbiter 5 recorded this evidence of objects moving on the Moon on the slope of the central peak of Vitello. In the upper half of this greatly enlarged tiny portion of the original frame, we see two 'boulders' which have rolled down the mountain from the left to right. The larger one, just above the small dark crater, is about 75 feet across and sufficiently irregular to have left a conspicuous tread marked path some 900 feet long. It shines brightly and casts a long shadow into the crater. Near the upper border a 15 foot object with a triangular shadow has left a weaving 1200 foot long trail. George Leonard claimed that the upper object rolled up and out of the crater before rolling downhill to where it is seen in the photo. (NASA, VII Gassendi S 2.4)"
David Hatcher Childress
Extraterrestrial Archeology (1994)
Originally posted by zorgon
NASA does not lie... they merely don't volunteer information....
As I said they don't lie... they just don't tell you everything
Originally posted by zorgon
THE PARTICULATE ENVIRONMENT SURROUNDING THE SPACE STATION:
ESTIMATES FROM THE PACS DATA
Byron David Green
Because several of these particles had clear disks....
Originally posted by Arbitrageur
It's really hard to judge what is uphill and what is downhill from these photos alone, the light and shadows can play too many tricks on us.
Originally posted by zorgon
I did a post in one thread on spaceships on Mars and I can't find it now. My point was that all the images I showed were real spacecraft but I did not include data. As expected the debunkers went nuts..."Its just rocks" "Its just blurry photos" etc The usual... ArMaP and Internos held off because they knew they really were ALL space craft OURS
The idea was to give people a perspective to use to judge what is in photos. If you can't determine that an actual space craft is more than a rock, how can you tell me all there is is 'just rocks'
The response to this 'white blob' were amusing... when a simple check on google would have shown it was Phoenix and parachute[edit on 13-7-2009 by zorgon]