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Bill to Restrict Ammunition Sales Takes a Step Forward in the Golden State

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posted on Jul, 8 2009 @ 11:43 AM
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Bill to Restrict Ammunition Sales Takes a Step Forward in the Golden State



www.nraila.org...


Tuesday, July 07, 2009

AB962, sponsored by Assembly Member Kevin De Leon (D-45), would make it a crime to privately transfer more than 50 rounds of ammunition per month, even between family and friends, unless you are registered as a “handgun ammunition vendor” in the Department of Justice’s database.

Ammunition retailers would have to be licensed and store ammunition in such a manner that it would be inaccessible to purchasers.

The bill would also require purchasers submit to fingerprinting, which would be kept in dealers' records and subject to inspection by the Department of Justice. Lastly, mail order ammunition sales would be prohibited.

www.nraila.org...

www.leginfo.ca.gov...

I suppose I can't say that it surprises me that the noose is continually tightening.

I have heard no mention of this in the MSM. Obviously the national fascination with a recently deceased popular musical "Superfreak" trumps the mentioning of anything of substance.

As California goes, so goes the nation...




posted on Jul, 8 2009 @ 11:46 AM
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Wow, so while their state is on the verge of collapse they are screwing around with nonsense like this? Seriously the people of California need to rise up and toss their supposed government out on its hind quarters if this is how they spend their time in such a crisis.



posted on Jul, 8 2009 @ 11:47 AM
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CA cant afford to enforce surrent laws let alone make new ones.

50 rounds a month? That's a great way to ensure lawful gun owners dont get any practice in. Last thing we want of lawful gun owners is training and practice.

Would that damn state please just sink into the ocean? The too long running gag that is CA isnt funny anymore.



posted on Jul, 8 2009 @ 11:55 AM
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The state is falling, is about to be chaos and dissent, occurs the first thing the government is going to do is to control the means for an armed confrontation.

Still while crime will keep raising and law abiding citizens will have to find a way to protect themselves bills like this will make them more vulnerable to crimes by those that will have no problems getting their arms and ammo on the black market.



posted on Jul, 8 2009 @ 12:01 PM
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Originally posted by marg6043
law abiding citizens will have to find a way to protect themselves


Personally, if I happened to live in that state the first thing I would do to protect myself and my family would be to pack up and start heading East towards the state line!



posted on Jul, 8 2009 @ 12:17 PM
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Believe me, already the exodus of those that can, has started, remember in Iraq when the war started? who where the first ones to leave the nation? those that had the money and means to do it, what it was left behind was those that wanted to keep fighting and the unfortunate that didn't have a choice.



posted on Jul, 8 2009 @ 12:25 PM
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This is bull, another BS piece of legislation coming from the likes of, first time I've ever said it like this, Kommiefornia.

50 rounds a month isn't even enough for range time. That's gone in 15 minutes if even that.

:shk:



posted on Jul, 8 2009 @ 12:36 PM
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There isn't a whole lot to read in the bill, but my take is that it sounds like private transfers would be restricted to 50 rounds a month. So if I wasn't a licensed dealer all I could give out or sell to someone else would be 50 rounds.

It sounds like they want to make everyone that sells a lot of ammo privately become a dealer so they can finger print and document people that are buying a ton of ammo so they can keep tabs on them.

A bunch of BS if you ask me.



posted on Jul, 8 2009 @ 01:01 PM
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Originally posted by vortexpursuit
sounds like private transfers would be restricted to 50 rounds a month. So if I wasn't a licensed dealer all I could give out or sell to someone else would be 50 rounds.


Imagine a law abiding parent taking their child out to the local shooting range to introduce them to the basics of safe firearm operation...

Right when the proper procedures have been imparted/learned and the youngster is gaining a bit of confidence with the "tool", the parent has to say after 50 shots "Sorry but that's it for this month! Time to head home because our infallible government will label me as a criminal if you shoot any more!"

Another fine example of our tax dollars at work.



posted on Jul, 8 2009 @ 01:06 PM
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This is the first step to disarming us. I don't think this will be a problem for a while here in Texas, but they are making ammo in such short supply the prices are going through the ceiling.

Good thing I have a compound bow with broad-head tips in case we can't get ammo in the future.



posted on Jul, 8 2009 @ 01:16 PM
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Originally posted by Snisha

Originally posted by vortexpursuit
sounds like private transfers would be restricted to 50 rounds a month. So if I wasn't a licensed dealer all I could give out or sell to someone else would be 50 rounds.


Imagine a law abiding parent taking their child out to the local shooting range to introduce them to the basics of safe firearm operation...

Right when the proper procedures have been imparted/learned and the youngster is gaining a bit of confidence with the "tool", the parent has to say after 50 shots "Sorry but that's it for this month! Time to head home because our infallible government will label me as a criminal if you shoot any more!"

Another fine example of our tax dollars at work.


I totally agree. I was just pointing out that it sounds like they want to make ammo sales traceable, taxable, and controllable. If it passed I don't think a store would be limited to selling you 50 rounds a month, they would would know who is buying what from the dealers records. The finger print part is BS.

Your example is spot on to the lameness of such a bill and the implications it will have to law abiding citizens.



posted on Jul, 8 2009 @ 02:05 PM
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Just for information:

Any purchases of 1000 rounds (maybe less) of any pistol or rifle ammo is being reported to DHS and are reporting this to the local law enforcement agency of said buyer and an investigation of that person will occurr. That person will be "on the list".

I know of this through an impecible source in a large Southern California Law Enforcement Agency - LAPD. He made a purchase at a gun show and his name was also on this list, but as a law officer, he was not investigated.

The one person investigated had no priors, not even a parking ticket. Your record could be as clean as a whistle and still make the list just for purchasing ammo, a right protected under the Constitution of the United States and the court case, US vs. Miller, 1934, which demands we be well stocked with "enough" ammo for the weapons "currently" being used.

Think about that folks.



posted on Jul, 8 2009 @ 03:05 PM
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Originally posted by Oldnslo
I know of this through an impecible source in a large Southern California Law Enforcement Agency - LAPD. He made a purchase at a gun show and his name was also on this list, but as a law officer, he was not investigated.


I find that quite amazing.

In every gun show that I have ever attended it goes without saying that if a gun is purchased, there is a background check performed and rightfully so.

But to have your name turned over to DHS and also referred to local law enforcement to be investigated merely for buying ammo is in my opinion "beyond the pale"!

Innocent until proven guilty my arse!!!



posted on Jul, 8 2009 @ 06:39 PM
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My previous post is a "heads up" everyone should be aware of if you plan to purchase ammo, if you can find it..

The detective that gave me this information was appalled and quite upset at the situation, as are many other within the organization. The same reaction must be occurring across the country. I wonder what Sheriff Joe thinks of this.


Good chance many/most will side with their families if the SHTF. Most are good officers (with prior military service) who have "taken the oath" numerous times and many are "Oath Keepers' as are members of our US Military. Most are folks, just like you and me. I have "Taken the Oath" in 1968 and to me, it meant for my entire lifetime. From what I can tell, they're of the same opinion.

They are aware of what is going on in this country and they are not happy campers. Tough, tough choices lay ahead for each of them.

Our survival depends on them honoring their oath to protect their grand parents, fathers, mothers, brothers, sisters, sons and daughters, aunts and uncles, nieces and nephews, and friendships that have lasted a lifetime, “against all enemies foreign and domestic.”

To disrespect them here on ATS, as many do, is a complete and utter disgrace and totally despicable behavior towards fellow Americans willing to sacrifice their lives to protect our “freedoms” and the way of life we so enjoy in this country. Respect and honor these officers and members of the military as the future of our Republic ULTIMATELY lies in their hands. They are the only one that can save us from our politicians.

I just hope when the day comes where the politicians want to take on the American people, a General Smedley Butler type within the military has the guts and support of his troops, to stand up to our insane politicians and tell them they will not, even if ordered, turn their weapons upon the American people for whom they took an oath “To protect and defend the Constitution, against all enemies foreign and domestic. An oath we have been taking and honoring for more than 200 years”. “NO WE WILL NOT” turn on the American people. We are them!

And as each member of congress is lead from their respective chamber and out of that sacred building, each will be told:

“Oh, and by the way senator/congressperson, when you reach the bottom of the stairs, you will be given a numbered ticket and a copy of the Constitution of the United States, and then git yer ass in line with the rest of you %#$*&@#$. You can read the Constitution you took an oath to defend and then forgot about, while you are waiting in line for your turn on the gallows erected behind the Capitol Building, traitor. May God have mercy on your soul".



posted on Jul, 8 2009 @ 06:53 PM
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Gunshows are where they get most of their information. The list I've mentioned was from purchases from the Gunshow in Orange Country, California 3-4 months ago.

I wouldn't buy more than 200 round at anytime, anywhere, cash only.

If they want ID, and that day is coming, I'd say thanks but no thanks. I'm fine with what I have.



posted on Jul, 8 2009 @ 08:31 PM
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Originally posted by Snisha

Originally posted by marg6043
law abiding citizens will have to find a way to protect themselves


Personally, if I happened to live in that state the first thing I would do to protect myself and my family would be to pack up and start heading East towards the state line!


looks to me that our friends in california are already infecting nevada...


Thursday, June 25, 2009

Effective, July 1, Nevada will no longer recognize Right-to-Carry permits from Utah or Florida

www.nraila.org...

i live in utah and spend alot of money in nevada casinos, to bad for them i dont go anywhere unarmed.



posted on Jul, 9 2009 @ 10:51 AM
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Originally posted by Oldnslo

I wouldn't buy more than 200 round at anytime, anywhere, cash only.


I find it nothing short of disgusting that all of a sudden with the stroke of a legislative pen, I am closer somehow to being considered a "criminal" or "threat"!!!

I have never been arrested for anything!!!

But now I am supposedly considered "bad" because I am a avid hunter and sport shooter?????

I have just posted a new thread which displays some current poll numbers concerning Americans attitudes on the issue of gun control that some of you may find interesting.

It is glaringly obvious that TPTB are not interested in implementing the desires of the majority of Americans.


57% Say Gun Sales Up Due To Fear of More Gun Control
www.abovetopsecret.com...



posted on Jul, 9 2009 @ 11:22 AM
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It also sounds like an attempt to get around the law saying they can't make a database of gun owners.

With this they'll instead be cataloged as 'ammo purchasers' which essentially does the exact same thing.

50 bullets run out quick against a disarmament squad. Good thing my bow is still legal, though seeing where crossbows and flamethrowers are going, might be next.



posted on Jul, 9 2009 @ 11:31 AM
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This is not entirely true. When I buy ammo from my local gun shop the owner does not do this sort of thing. He pulls it off the shelf and hands it to me and I pay and walk out. He does not ask my name or anything. He sells ammo by the case daily BTW. I can not attest to the way things are handled at gun shows tho.

In response to the OP this sort of thing is only going to cause people to go out and buy as much ammo as they can store, so it is kinda counter productive to their agenda.



posted on Jul, 9 2009 @ 11:35 AM
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Originally posted by Genus
It also sounds like an attempt to get around the law saying they can't make a database of gun owners.

With this they'll instead be cataloged as 'ammo purchasers' which essentially does the exact same thing.


The revolting actions of lawmakers playing a bullscat shell game with the law for the purpose of circumventing the will of the people should cause ALL Americans to be OUTRAGED!!!

In my opinion it is only through the process of comprehensive campaign finance reform coupled with voting the vast majority of these self-serving scumbag politicians out of office that we will see any hope for this Nation to survive these tumultuous times.

[edit on 9-7-2009 by Snisha]



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