World's space programs share the Vector symbol....why?

I find it curious that MOST of the world's space programs share the vector or chevron logo.

This has been brought up in the movie "Rising Moon" as well. I would like to further dissect this issue as the movie did not give any answers. Here is the symbol by its self.


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Lets take a look....

NASA (in red)

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Canada

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Iran

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Russia

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Chinese

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Japan

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South Korea

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Taiwan

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Malaysia

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Bulgaria

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Mexico

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It doesn't stop there...lets look at aerospace building companies and others....

Lockheed Martin

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Ames Research

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Air Force Space Command

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Air Force Research

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There are many other branches of our government and world government(Dealing with space) that share this logo.

I will not make a leap of faith and call it this or that, but you have to admit that for ALL the worlds space programs to have this logo seems to be more than just a coincidence.

Nasa's official explanation of the vector deals with the swept wing design in aeronautics and was created in 1959, which is fine, but why did the rest of the world and aeronautic companies adopt this logo as well. Is there more than what NASA is telling us??

Is this all coincidence ?

[edit on 8-7-2009 by Overload]

[edit on 8-7-2009 by Overload]

Excellent observation.

It is very interesting.

The chevron (vector, or wedge) seems to be associated with this activity regardless of community or culture...

Maybe their all one big happy family? It might be interesting to see what the PR offices of these organizations have to say about why they use the symbol.

Hint hint - ATS press could make a nice piece about this - no?

reply to post by Overload


You mean like this??:


www.lasersurplusparts.com...






[edit on 8 July 2009 by weedwhacker]

ummm, i have no idea, great find though! S+F.

The only possibility that i can think of for the reason of using this symbol (other than the NASA explanation) could be that it was something the Nazi's knew of. They was on there way on starting their own space program, using acient scriptupers and knowladge (hence why they tried to re-create the flying saucer so many times). We all know that after WW2 many nazi scientists went along to america to work, then soon after NASA was born.


Only a wild stab at the dark, but the only theory that i can think of

Well what symbol would you use to depict travel from the earth into space?
I think an arrow shape is absolutely ideal, its what i would have thought of to.
It kinda points the way dont you think?

How about because it's just the most simplistic representation of a rocket, plane or other form of air/space craft?

Logos need to represent ideas or concepts easily and quickly at a lowest common denominator to be effective.

reply to post by weedwhacker


Yes, there is the obvious relation to Star Trek......


But, for everyone to use this as there own symbol seems strange....

Good post Overload.

I was very interested when Moon Rising mentioned this but then failed to offer an explanation.

My first theory was that everyone wanted to copy the big boy's at NASA but that seems like a reach.

S+F

[edit on 8-7-2009 by lucentenigma]

reply to post by lucentenigma


Ya, I think that might be a far reach as well, but also keep in mind that some of these countries are NOT our allies....yet the insignia remains...

[edit on 8-7-2009 by Overload]

Originally posted by lucentenigma

I was very interested when Moon Rising mentioned this but then failed to offer an explanation.

Yes, I noticed that too...OK, so they were just pointing out an observation...but If Jose Escamilla is going to incorporate 5+ minutes about the Vector/Chevron into his conspiracy documentary....then PLEASE have a point....an idea of their purpose....a Theory on what the symbolism means...Alas, they baited us and then dropped the topic like a hot rock.

Just my 2-cents

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I am curious to hear your explanation.....

I said I wouldn't make a leap of faith...but hear goes....

This is just a theory of course...


How about the logo having some other meaning once in space. Kinda like a badge that says, I know whats going on, and here is my logo on my craft to support it.

Maybe like some sort of logo that is part of a world group that says, we are part of it, or we support it. I really don't know and am just taking a stab at it...

Well you’re starting off with a false premise; not all space agencies use a variation on that symbol. The European Space Agency doesn’t, the British National Space Centre doesn’t, the Colombian Space Commission doesn’t, the German Aerospace Centre doesn’t, the Instituto Nacional de Técnica Aeroespacial doesn’t, the Israeli Space Agency doesn’t, the Italian Space agency doesn’t, and so on and so forth.

Of the ones you’ve listed not all of them really show a variation on that symbol, I’d say the Canadian, Malaysian, Bulgarian and Mexican fall into this category.

So if you cherry pick logos that share a somewhat similar feature I’m sure you’ll see a pattern but clearly it’s nowhere near as significant as that.

Edit to add: I just read the OP's post before posting this....

Interesting find. You may be on to something....
Even in our Sci-Fi you see the symbolism.


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reply to post by Overload


Overload, if you hunt through the film "Star Trek: First Contact" you'll find a clip where the character 'Zefram Cochran' describes and draws the 'warp field'...it is an homage to the iconic ST Logo, that was just designed by the original series' art department, and its head, Matt Jeffries.

Ed: 'Cochran' is played by James Cromwell in the film....



[edit on 8 July 2009 by weedwhacker]

Originally posted by Overload
reply to post by Aggie Man

 

I am curious to hear your explanation.....

I don't know that I am anymore qualified to try to explain the Vector symbolism than Jose Escamilla, BUT...Here goes...I would bet that the Vector symbol can probably be traced back to some of the earliest forms of writing, maybe even the earliest. I would bet that this earliest use of the symbol was used to refer to space/space travel/ET/UFO or something of that sort. I'll guess that the true meaning of this earliest use may even be covered up to this very day...with it's meaning passed down through secret societies or possibly a cracked ancient code that the general public is not privy to. BUT...this is just a guess and any other explanation could be just as likely.

reply to post by Overload


Funny enough this was discussed in the documentary "Moon Rising" which I think is still available to watch on Youtube. (the whole thing)


watch part #5 and #6 where it is discussed



It is a very good question

Why do they all have the same vector logos?



[edit on 8-7-2009 by warrenb]

It is pretty transparant thar the OP has just watch 'Moon Rising' By Jose Escamilla.

They brung this whole thing up in their film (which can be watched in youtube for free) Perhaps this should have been posted as part of the thread relating to the film, Instead of trying to pass the observations off as your own.

Oh, there is one more instance of this delta type symbol, other than the ones listed.

The Ansari X Prize logo also features it quite prominantly.

[edit on 8-7-2009 by Smugallo]

Originally posted by Mike_A
Well you’re starting off with a false premise; not all space agencies use a variation on that symbol. The European Space Agency doesn’t, the British National Space Centre doesn’t, the Colombian Space Commission doesn’t, the German Aerospace Centre doesn’t, the Instituto Nacional de Técnica Aeroespacial doesn’t, the Israeli Space Agency doesn’t, the Italian Space agency doesn’t, and so on and so forth.

Of the ones you’ve listed not all of them really show a variation on that symbol, I’d say the Canadian, Malaysian, Bulgarian and Mexican fall into this category.

So if you cherry pick logos that share a somewhat similar feature I’m sure you’ll see a pattern but clearly it’s nowhere near as significant as that.

German aeronautics

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European
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[edit on 8-7-2009 by Overload]

I edited my post to say that MOST of the worlds space programs have this logo, It seems that the most of the big space exploration programs have the logo....