Gaza conflict: Views on Hamas

Gaza conflict: Views on Hamas

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"Nothing has changed. Each month I feel worse. I got mad. Now I am living in Jabaliya camp, with 12 people in one bedroom.

"Hamas and the Jews both did this. Hamas don't have the power for war - so why did they launch rockets at Israel? Israel needed war here, but who gave Israel the key to come here? Hamas.
"They say 'no problem'. But there is a problem! They take everything, clothes, milk food, everything. I think a lot of money comes into Gaza - where is it? For who? Who has taken

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I am posting this here because the story and the interviews are not singleing out any one source to blame for all the suffering in Gaza. Now six months later the report quoted interviews three people in Gaza who say who they feel is to blame for the suffering. It is worth the read if you take the time to do so.

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Very sad...what can be done with a situation like that? if they are not fighting the Israelis ..they fight amongst themselves!!

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Shuck
yes it is very sad. I don't think there fighting among them selves they way they have been in say Iraq. There is the obvious common enemy in Gaza. Your point is clear though, everyone needs to stop fighting.

One day, some day, if humans ever become truly loving and wise, the will realize that Gaza is an 'answer' screaming for a question to justify it, that there is just no question that could ever justify such an answer.

Americans should stop funding sides, and taking sides in this madness.

This is an answer that we truly should not have ever been part of the question as decent human beings.

I'm not sure I have ever seen anyone call Hamas a positive influence to the world.

What people are trying to get across is israel is not any better.

It may put on a charade, but they are just as responsible, if not even more responsible for those people's living conditions.

israel is the one reclaiming farms and tearing down factories.

These people have no jobs or food, and no leader to see them through.

What they do have is israel demolishing houses and buildings each day as they expand illegal settlements and shoot at innocents.

For every bad Palestinian, there are 100 good ones.

This is a fact that seems to be list in the media.

I've been saying this for years.

Both sides are wrong.

At this point I'm pretty sure Hamas and Israel are simply working together to keep the place in a war like state.

These people are caught in the middle and don't deserve to be, whether it be Israeli or Palestinian. These are people and for them to be treated this way because of two political partie's differences is simply absurd.

I wonder if there is an easy way for Palestinians to migrate into a safer country?

~Keeper

Gaza is what it is, vile islamic insanity. A pit to where they should all be imprisoned. Elections of Hamas breeds failed islamic spew............may they live in agony.........

God Bless Israel................

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Wow I hope that was sarcastic or that may be the biggest pro-Israel statement I've ever seen.

I won't even get into why that is offensive and wrong, but just out of curiosity, you are ok with Palestinians living in a Ghetto and being killed because of their governments actions?

~Keeper

Originally posted by Wildbob77
I've been saying this for years.

Both sides are wrong.

Thanks to everyone who is posting.
And of everything that has been said I think the above quote puts it about the best.

Hamas is funded, supplied weapons, and trained by Iran. Iran has been trying to slap the US in the face without crossing the line and invoking military action directly.

The Palestinians have been the paws in an international game since they were badly advised by conniving Arab countries like Egypt, Lebanon, Syria, Jordan - to come to terms with the existence of the state of Israel in 1948, after losing their invading war.

Falsely set up by everyone in the region, the Palestinians have lost 3 wars, joined Saddam Hussein when he fought the "Mother of all Battles" against the US in 1991. They don't know how to win a war against Israel or even how to lose it.

Every other country that's lost wars have come to term with the reality and done their best to get on with business. Look at the Germans and Japanese.

But like the North Koreans, who also can't come to terms with the reality they lost, the Palestinians soldier on, taking in international handouts their corrupt to the gills leader scarf away, saving enough to buy more missiles to keep the futile war going.

Children suffer, men don't have professions except as warriors.

The stroke of a pen would make Gaza into a country that could actually start thinking of itself as functional and trying to generate some sort of economy.

Iran has said they will fund Hamas, and Europeans throw money at the cause, only if they're at war. Hamas leaders have shown they really don't give a damn about the people or running a state. They just know keeping to war going means hundreds of millions flowing in. Every photo op of a Palestinian carrying a dead baby means another million.

All sick and twisted. Generations of Palestinians never realizing they're pawns in a cynical Arab created shell game. They're the deflection of corrupt regimes who don't want too much scrutiny of where their own revenues are really going and why their countries are dysfunctional.

Just tell the people "You have no bread because of Israel" They buy into it.
And so do Western liberals. The poor Palestinians, the poor Muslims, they're victims of the Evil Zionist regime.

The Palestinians should take a step back and realize who their worst enemy really is. Why every Arab country gives them lip service, but no one wants them in their country.

So they'll sit in their squalid camps for another 60 years, waiting for their victory which their Muslim benefactors don't really want them to ever have.


Mike


[edit on 8-7-2009 by mmiichael]

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Gaza is a giant cage with millions of people surviving like animals. Israel is working hard to starve and bomb them all to death so the Zionist dream can be fufilled. The only solution to this conflict is to end Israeli hypocracy once and for all.

Terrorism is defined by an act to distabilize a sovereign nation, but what is it called when the terrorized nation is not sovereign? "Liberation". Palestine has been "liberated" several times for half a century, but where is the justice? They're walled in, they eat grass, they salvage garbage all day for necessary supplies, they're homes destroyed and no economy to rebuild... There is no justice, just hypocracy and dispair.

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As usual you are missing a couple key ingredients my friend Mike. There was no “Arab” shell game to play until the Zionists invaded the area through immigration treaties they did not keep.

It wasn’t the other Arab States that first started playing the Palestinians but the British who first started playing the Palestinians by politically backing the weaker Palestinian Elites to set the rivalries they had against wealthier and more politically powerful Palestinian Elites into motion.

While the Zionists were waging a successful terrorism campaign against the British Colonials and constantly scheming how they wouldn’t have to abide by the treaties that allowed for their immigration and how to expand beyond those parameters and borders, the Palestinians were focused on political infighting instigated by the British who had taken the same mode of operation in India and Africa by keeping the indigenous Elites, those people of breeding with pedigree lineage and wealth plotting against one another so they could never provide a united resistance to Colonial Rule.

While royals and those of breeding always compete amongst one another and have long standing jealousies and grudges against one another, that type of Shell Game is a far different one than the Shell Game that results from placing another Shell on the table.

Israel too receives a huge amount of charity and assistance. Some would say they also have squandered it on vast arsenals of weapons, a huge international espionage network that spies on ‘allies’ and ‘enemies’ alike, and the ever aggressive expansion of the land that they had no legal standing too through the treaties that allowed for their lawful immigration, which were questionable in their own right as far as how those very same treaties came to pass with Zionist manipulation.

Tens of thousands of Hebrews did not leave the region to go into Diaspora and lived peacefully in Palestine for centuries and centuries as good neighbors and often friends to their Semitic Muslim cousins. In reality Jews and Palestinians can get along just fine and history had proven that for thousands of years.

Who can’t get along fine is the Zionists who created the Israeli State that they love to make all about religion when it suits them, and all about ethnicity when it suits them and all about democracy when it suits them. It’s why they spy on ‘allies’ and ‘enemies’ alike, and manipulate ‘allies’ and ‘enemies’ alike, very much just like the British Colonials would.

The Palestinian Elites who were one step above what I think you would refer to as ‘Bedouins’ lacked the cosmopolitan sophistication for the advanced strategies and subtleties of divide and conquer colonial politics and the Zionists who had long become Masters of the cloak and dagger and backroom intrigues and plots.

Like all humans they have that natural inclination towards jealousies, rivalries, revenge and vengeance, power and dominance but simply lacked the same level of experiences at it to play this came on the same level with the same skill the British and the Zionists were able to play it.

Long and short of it is it was the Zionists placing an Israeli shell on the table that led to the so called ‘Arab’ Shell Game. It has nothing to do with Jews, or being Jewish, it has everything to do with Zionist politics, and the Palestinians and Hebrews that got along for centuries and centuries in the region prior to the Zionist intrusion into it are proof positive of that.

The Zionists started the problem, the Zionists propel and keep the problem alive because it allows for a ‘Shell’ game they and their Colonial friends instigated and started that allows for them to siphon off trillions in charity from the world and legitimize thefts of land and human rights violations.

This notion that the Palestinians are 100% responsible for their own lack of sophistication in regards to a duplicitous and murderous world that others chose to visit on them through base deceptions and manipulations for their own nefarious purposes, power, wealth and greed to the point that Palestinians are the evil and the Arabs are the evil and the Muslims are the evil causing all this is nonsense.

It’s an excuse not to grant full human rights, not to concede stolen territories back to their rightful owners, it’s an excuse to not make respirations for murder and theft and the reality is as you well know if the roles were reversed, and most of the Palestinian Muslims had gone into Diaspora and the Hebrews had all stayed behind and they then returned with these same types of amoral and murderous and deceitful actions the Hebrews would be screaming to the heavens for reparations and compensation and in fact do when ever they loose anything of any minuscule value or importance.

It does take two to tango, the Palestinians have made some huge blunders but to contend that Israel and the Zionist hold some moral high ground simply because they are more adept at murder, theft, black mail and enticing charity is as ludicrous as it is to purport that the Zionists have not made amoral and stupid mistakes.

The Zionists are simply more adept that their mistakes don’t catch up with them. The problem is friend Mike when a group takes such a faulty and warped view of things is that pack of mistake grows and grows to overwhelming proportions there is no way to escape when they catch up with you.

The Zionists would be well served by accepting their culpability and making real reparations and concessions that restore a quality of life and dignity to the Palestinians because until any person or people has a quality of life and dignity they are bound to lash out at those who stand in the way of it, and Israel despite all it’s ‘we offered this’ and ‘we offered that’ which is nothing but a pittance of what they stole from the people they offered it too as being some ridiculous excuse that they have tried to make peace is nothing but a ridiculous excuse that they have tried to make peace.

Two wrongs doesn’t make a right Mike and pretending when someone is in the wrong that they aren’t sure doesn’t make a right either.

In fact it just makes for endless war and that’s pretty much what the Zionists have gotten not because they are so stupid, but because they love profiting and expanding off the war and gaining charity from it.

It takes two to tango Mike. Israel will never have peace until it makes a significant act of contrition. It never will make a significant act of contrition and ultimately it will lead to Israel’s downfall.

Zionists and Israeli patriots think they are serving the country well through these propaganda and spy and disinformation campaigns that keep peace from occurring and allow the country to expand and the coffers of the treasury to stay full, but in the end it will lead to their destruction.

Ask any smart criminal what leads to jail…and failure…greed.

It never pays to be too greedy Mike, and as the war drums continue to beat at a steady pace and cadence in the Middle East logistically Israel just does not have the territory or manpower to keep the building sea of resentment against it’s unmitigated greed and barbaric war like and duplicitous ways from overwhelming them when the tide comes in and the waves break.

Ultimately Zionists and Israeli Patriots will be seen as the dumbest and most ignorant of all when this occurs because it never had to and never does except to people who enough is never enough.




[edit on 8/7/09 by ProtoplasmicTraveler]

Originally posted by ProtoplasmicTraveler
As usual you are missing a couple key ingredients my friend Mike. There was no “Arab” shell game to play until the Zionists invaded the area through immigration treaties they did not keep.

Let's stop there. you nu into the propagated myth the land where Israel now is was the home of peaceful Arabs with their lovely orange groves before the Jews came there and took it from them. A chaming fairy tale that does not conform to the historically documented facts.


I'm pressed for time right now, and will reply more fully. For now I'll repost an interesting retort from someone using the name "Nekama" in 3003.

Slightly edited for brevity and PCness.


M

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littlegreenfootballs.com...

Are you aware that the Disputed Territories never belonged to the “Palestinians” and only came into Israeli possession as a result of the 1967 six day war in which Egypt, Jordan, Syria, and Lebanon all massed forces at Israel’s border in order to “push the Jews into the sea”. The Arabs lost and Israel took control of the land. Do you agree that if the Arabs don’t want to lose territory to Israel, then they shouldn’t start wars? Do you agree that there is justice that Israel, who as far back as 1948 has always sought peace with her far larger neighbors, should live in prosperity - making the desert bloom - while the residents of 19 adjacent Arab countries who are blessed with far more land as well as oil wealth live in no better than they did hundreds of years ago?

Did you know that the “Palestinians” could have had their own country as far back as 1948 had they accepted the UN sponsored partition plan which gave Israel AND the Palestinians a countries of their own on land? The Arabs rejected the UN offer and went to war with the new Israeli nation. The Arabs lost and have been whining about it ever since. Do you agree this is like a murderer who kills his parents and asks for special treatment since he is now an orphan?

Since as many Jews (approximately 800,000) were kicked out of Arab countries as were Arabs who left present day Israel (despite being literally begged to stay), why should Arabs be permitted to return to Israel if Jews aren’t allowed to set foot in Arab countries?

Israel resettled and absorbed all of the Jews from Arab countries who wished to become Israelis. Why haven’t any Arab countries offered to resettle Arabs who were displaced from Israel, leaving them to rot for 60 years in squalid refugee camps? And why are those refugee camps still there? Could it be that the billions of dollars sent there by UMWRA goes to terrorist groups like Hamas, Islamic Jihad, El Aqsa Martyrs Brigade, or Hezbollah?

Please explain why you are so concerned about Arabs, who possess 99% of the land in this region and are in control of the world’s greatest natural resource? Can’t their brother muslims offer some of the surplus land and nature’s riches to the “Palestinians”? Or is it true that Arabs are willing to die right down to the last “Palestinian”?

Why do you not exhibit the same level of concern for say, people in Saudi Arabia who are beheaded, subject to amputation, stoning, honor killing etc.? What about women who are denied any semblance of basic civil rights, including the right not to be treated as property for the entertainment and abuse of her father, brothers, or husbands? What about the Muslims in Sudan and Egypt who are still enslaved? How about the oppression of Shiites by Sunnis, the gassing of the Kurds by Iraq, or the massacre of “Palestinians” by Jordan (Black September)? Why doesn’t this concern you?

Did you ever stop to wonder how much better off everyone in the region would be if Arabs stopped trying to kill Jews and destroy Israel? What would happen if the Israelis gave up their weapons and disarmed? Would they live to see the next day? But what would happen if the Arabs completely disarmed? You know the answer: They would all be AT PEACE! And if there is no war to rile them up, the Arabs would be forced to look at their own repressive, pre-medieval societies. Why would they want to do that when there are Jews to kill?

Have you heard “People who define themselves primarily by what they hate, rather than who they love, are doomed to failure and misery”? Can you see the parallels to the Arabs, who are blessed with land and oil, but still gladly train their children to kill themselves in order to kill Jews? Have you heard Golda Meir’s words to the effect of “There will be peace when the Arabs love their children more than they hate ours”? Why do the Arabs hate so much?

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Please Michael your reply is an appologists fairy tale that fails to address most and practically all of my points by as usuall...

Ignoring the early years of how the Zionists created the problem.

As always by trying to paint Zionist attrocities as inconsequential because 'other' people do 'bad' things too, and in the Zionist's oppinion the things they do aren't 'as bad' even though they are far worse and far more calculating in their impact and far less discriminate about who they impact...and that if the world were really being honest with itself it would go stop all these other bad things 'first' before focusing on what the Zionists do.

It's nothing but pure deflection that at one point excuses the thefts as being 'small' in comparison to what other's 'have'. Then at another point claims false solutions belated offered where genuine solutions timely offered.

Let's see the Palestinians didn't accept the partition plan of the U.N. by saying no, while the Zionists didn't accept it by assissinating the U.N. Envoy and declaring Independence?

The Arabs keep attacking the Zionists as nations attacking a self declared nation and the stateless nationless Palestinians who have no more control over the Arab nations than Isreal does is always respobsible for it and deserves to have their land stolen because other nations that the Zionists offended dared to attack them from a parcel of land that the Palestinians once owned?

Based on that logic The United States should own all of Japan, Russia should own half of Germany, and the French and the English the other half and all of Italy as well.

The Zionist cause needs some better newer propoganda for the information age Mike!

It's played well in years past when it's delivered in an environment where people can't question it.

It plays awful though where people can say "Wait I have a question" and the "How dare you question Israel that's anti-semetic" truly is so overplayed that it's becoming insulting to a vast majority of intelligent and sensible people.

Israel just needs to fess up, keep their hands in their own pockets instead of everyone elses, and stop trying to excuse all it's crimes by saying wait...there are worse criminals than us, so we aren't really criminal.

It's all deflection, wives tales and nonsense Mike!

That copy and paste reply is so beneath you Mike. Most of it is nothing but an invitation to be ignorant and prejudiced about other people and cultures and to vilify and stigmatize them in the pitiful hope of trying to make the horrible things the Zionists do less horrible by extension.

Israel and it's supporters need to learn some new tricks, some audience friendly ones for a change.

reply to post by heliosprime

Gaza is what it is, vile islamic insanity. A pit to where they should all be imprisoned. Elections of Hamas breeds failed islamic spew............may they live in agony.........

God Bless Israel................

Wow, you finally did it. I have no idea what to say to that.

Actually, I do. People like you are the reason I don't subscribe to any religion.

Sorry PT,

Just not inclined to act in defense mode for your less than accurate claims of Arab civility and Zionist aggression. For amusement, read Churchill's assessment of the problems in the region i his day.

Contrary to widely accepted revisionist history, Jews were emigrating and purchasing land in what is now Israel from Arabs owners staring in the late 19th Century. Censuses show the real numbers of the demographics. Jews approached or were a majority in that small strip adjacent to Jerusalem. The population swelled by 400% as Arabs emigrated to the region from neighbouring Egypty, Jordan, Iraq, etc for economic advancement with Jews paying 5 times the going rates for unskilled labour.

Up to WWI it had been the Ottoman Empire. After 1919, Trans Jordan, Lebanon, Syria, Iraq, Saudi, Yemen, UAE, Kuwait, Qatar, Bahrain et al were created.

Trans Jordan was handed to the Hashemites - 80% of the original "Palestine Mandate" basicallyto prevent the Hashemites from decimating their enemies the Saudis, who the Brititish helped take over Mecca and Medina, in the process evicting the Hashemites.

Much later, Trans Jordan, Egypt and Syria invaded Israel in 1948 as a massive Arab land grab. The retroactively created Palestine was conquered by the Jordanians and Egyptians. Occupied and annexed.

In 1967, Jordan and Egypt lost the fabled kingdom of Palestine in another aggressive war.

More here on the self proclaimed Land of Palestine that has been retroactively implanted into history for mass consumption.

I recommend actually reading the whole article before extemporizing on who did what, when, and why.

Get you facts straight then there might be something to discuss.

M

middleeastfacts.com...

The Myth Of The "Palestinian" People

... The general impression given in the media is that Palestinians have lived in the Holy Land for hundreds, if not thousands of years. No wonder, then, that a recent poll of French citizens shows that the majority believe (falsely) that prior to the establishment of the State of Israel an independent Arab Palestinian state existed in its place.

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While the modern media maybe short on information about the history of the "Palestinian people" the historical record is not. Books, such as Battleground by Samuel Katz and From Time Immemorial by Joan Peters long ago detailed the history of the region. Far from being settled by Palestinians for hundreds, if not thousands of years, the Land of Israel, according to dozens of visitors to the land, was, until the beginning of the last century, practically empty.

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Even the British Consul in Palestine reported, in 1857, "The country is in a considerable degree empty of inhabitants and therefore its greatest need is that of a body of population."

In fact, according to official Ottoman Turk census figures of 1882, in the entire Land of Israel, there were only 141,000 Muslims, both Arab and non-Arab. This number was to skyrocket to 650,000 Arabs by 1922, a 450% increase in only 40 years. By 1938 that number would become over 1 million or an 800% increase in only 56 years. Population growth was especially high in areas where Jews lived. Where did all these Arabs come from? According to the Arabs the huge increase in their numbers was due to natural childbirth. In 1944, for example, they alleged that the natural increase (births minus deaths) of Arabs in the Land of Israel was the astounding figure of 334 per 1000. That would make it roughly three times the corresponding rate for the same year of Lebanon and Syria and almost four times that of Egypt, considered amongst the highest in the world. Unlikely, to say the least. If the massive increase was not due to natural births, then were did all these Arabs come from?

All the evidence points to the neighboring Arab states of Egypt, Syria, Lebanon and Jordan. In 1922 the British Governor of the Sinai noted that "illegal immigration was not only going on from the Sinai, but also from Transjordan and Syria." In 1930, the British Mandate -sponsored Hope-Simpson Report noted that "unemployment lists are being swollen by immigrants from Trans-Jordania" and "illicit immigration through Syria and across the northern frontier of Palestine is material." The Arabs themselves bare witness to this trend. For example, the governor of the Syrian district of Hauran, Tewfik Bey el Hurani, admitted in 1934 that in a single period of only a few months over 30,000 Syrians from Hauran had moved to the Land of Israel. Even British Prime Minister Winston Churchill noted the Arab influx. Churchill, a veteran of the early years of the British mandate in the Land of Israel, noted in 1939 that "far from being persecuted, the Arabs have crowded into the country and multiplied."

Far from displacing the Arabs, as they claimed, the Jews were the very reason the Arabs chose to settle in the Land of Israel. Jobs provided by newly established Zionist industry and agriculture lured them there, just as Israeli construction and industry provides most Arabs in the Land of Israel with their main source of income today. Malcolm MacDonald, one of the principal authors of the British White Paper of 1939, which restricted Jewish immigration to the Land of Israel, admitted (conservatively) that were it not for a Jewish presence the Arab population would have been little more than half of what it actually was.

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If the Palestinians are indeed a myth, then the real question becomes "Why?" Why invent a fictitious people? The answer is that the myth of the Palestinian People serves as the justification for Arab occupation of the Land of Israel. While the Arabs already possess 21 sovereign countries of their own (more than any other single people on earth) and control a land mass 800 times the size of the Land of Israel, this is apparently not enough for them. They therefore feel the need to rob the Jews of their one and only country, one of the smallest on the planet. Unfortunately, many people ignorant of the history of the region, including much of the world media, are only too willing to help.

[edit on 8-7-2009 by mmiichael]

Originally posted by RedGolem


I am posting this here because the story and the interviews are not singleing out any one source to blame for all the suffering in Gaza. Now six months later the report quoted interviews three people in Gaza who say who they feel is to blame for the suffering. It is worth the read if you take the time to do so.

news.bbc.co.uk
(visit the link for the full news article)

Um - this is the BBC - the same broadcasting company that refused to air a fund raiser to support relief efforts for Gazza - the BBc is about as reliable as Pravda - an almost entirely discredited news organisation.

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Mike that is pure nonsense, yes Theodore Herschel and other prominent Zionists began purchasing land legally from Palestinians in the late 1800’s. As I have mentioned the Palestinians had no trouble living peacefully with the Hebrews that did not go into Diaspora and would have had no reason not to sell land to Zionists or Hebrews.

Yet the reality is I have read the Immigration Records kept by the British only after the British of course secured Palestine from the Ottomans who controlled it expressly for the purpose of fulfilling the very circumspect Balfour Declaration personally addressed to Lord Rothschild in 1917 stating the British Parliament would like to make lawful immigration for Zionists into Palestine and for them to be able to settle there a reality…

Two interesting things to note are first that while Herschel and others were committed to Palestine and Jerusalem in particular and the Zionist Congress was constantly pressing Brittan for a Zionist homeland, Brittan at first offered Ethiopia because the Ottomans controlled Palestine and not the British.

While the blackmail involved in the issuance of the Balfour Declaration was so deep and sinister that even Zionist revisionist history can’t obscure the duplicitous and financial and moral bankruptcies that were the results of the manipulation of Germany, Brittan and the United States to make the Balfour Declaration possible, Zionists had not fully committed to Palestine because they realized as they exposed themselves and spent political capital in the process of obtaining a Zionist homeland that if they spent it all before securing Palestine and couldn’t manage to secure Palestine through their efforts that they might loose the opportunity to realize what was being offered to them in Ethiopia.

Immigration was not significant in any of the years leading up to the Crystal Night in Germany.

At first they weren’t sure prior to 1917 if they would have to settle for Ethiopia. Once 1917 arrived and the British did set up a Mandate in Palestine and began to allow for immigration into Palestine by Zionists they faced a major hurdler in that it was a provincial backwater that held little to no appeal for the mostly cosmopolitan Jewry of the world, most of whom had decent businesses, and were accustomed to amenities, luxuries and conveniences not readily available in the Palestine of that day.

Winston Churchill as Colonial Secretary wrote many private correspondents do Lord Rothschild complaining that annual immigration numbered in the thousands and often less than 10,000 and that most of the Zionists immigrants were of ‘poor and disappointing quality’ from Eastern Europe and the Soviet Union who lacked strong work ethics, entrepreneurial spirit and the militancy Rothschild and Churchill both felt were require to turn the area into a viable and stable settlement.

The actual British immigration records do not bear out any of the things you are saying. It’s why you use numbers like 400% instead of 7,000 in 1929, 5,500 in 1930, 6,200 in 1931, which lets face it, aren’t substantial numbers.
The harsh desert and primitive environment simply held no appeal to most of the world’s Jews but mainly Zionists and Jews looking to escape poverty stricken Eastern Nations.

The highest number for any year of pre-war immigration was 1933 with some 17,000 Zionists immigrating.

Now comes the Zionist myth of Arabs rushing from all over the region to take advantage of ‘Jewish Wealth’ and employment opportunities.

First and foremost the Zionist Agenda and it’s detailed and published plans allowed for no Arab employment opportunities but economic starvation of the indigenous population through “Not Hiring” indigenous Arabs, the Levi, and Stern Gangs would murder any Jewish Shop Keeper or Farmer who hired indigenous Arabs and not only is this well documented but it was well known at the time by Arabs who certainly would have not rushed to Palestine to get hired.

Additionally Arab immigration did not even keep pace with these low immigration numbers of the Zionists.

Further most of the Arabs who the Zionists claimed and claim were immigrating weren’t immigrating at all but were free ranging herders who followed their wandering flocks across borders in and out of other nations where the Bedouin Lifestyle was respected as being a lifestyle.

Most of the initial land purchases by the Zionists were in fact designed to block Bedouin herding routes through new land ownership laws that they had lobbied the corrupt and bribable British Officials to pass that allowed for “absolute” land ownership giving the owner the legal right to ‘block’ free ranging herders from traversing their properties and to further break up communal swaths of land that various indigenous Arabs shared in a centuries old collective farming venture where at the start of each planting season each village was able to secure as much tillable communal land from the collective it needed to grow adequate crops for the individual villages.

The Zionists also bought land strategically with an eye and an aim to make sure that the indigenous Arabs could never have a contiguous 52% of the land for their own which is what they were offered by the British to accept Zionist immigration to the region.

You can’t post the real numbers because the real numbers would blow these wife’s tales out of the water.

In fact Mike it is highly doubtful if it were not for another bastard offspring of the Rothschild clan who despite his dubious background and limited success in life managed to live the life of Riley as a self supporting artist during the Great Depression in the area of the World hardest hit by that Depression, real Jewish and not just Zionist immigration might have never gotten off the ground. Of course the artist’s illegitimate grandfather’s last name is a bit suspicious, Rothschild, and of course his paintings and architectural drawings were third rate and would have never allowed him to make a living off of them during the depression. But as we all know it turned out that Adolf Hitler was a much better politician than he was an artist and I guess who ever sponsored and supported him all those years from behind the scene likely found it to be a worthwhile investment.

Mike I keep telling you the Jews…not the Zionists, but to a lesser extent the Zionists as well have been duped and tricked.

They really have and I can tell you things never work out well for such people. Clearly the Jews of the world have already paid a tremendous price for the trickery and manipulation that led to many of them loosing their lives and properties and feeling thankful to immigrate to a provincial backwater with little to offer but heat and flies.

If they don’t wake up and smell the coffee soon it’s going to be too late to save them.

The New Testament is a plan to set up a one world government with a vague running timeline designed to allow population and emerging new technologies to create the conditions for an apocalypse and create an illusion that it is divine in its happening.

I don’t know about you friend Mike but I sure would hate to be living at ground Zero in a place that one day is destined to be selling “I survived the apocalypse” T-shirts one day.

Primarily because I imagine sales will be about as limited as this mythical G-d and mythical immigration prior to World War II that no records kept by any credible source reflect your contentions.

I separate from Jews from Zionists for one reason. The Jews of the world at least a majority of them I am hoping will end up being smart enough to same themselves from this calamity. The Zionists on the other hand are all about seeing this apocalypse come about, it is the grand final act to all their hopes and dreams, and all you have to do is speak to a Zionist Christian for five minutes to know it sure isn’t the desert sun that has ‘touched’ them so, to know that it is their hope and dream for the apocalypse to come about because they believe their mythical and fictional savior shall then reappear.

They don’t say the good Lord helps those who help themselves for nothing, and I don’t see what the Israeli nation is doing internationally and militarily as being something that will be helpful for long, in fact it’s all designed to provoke that apocalypse even more.

There are no coincidences in life Mike, the world isn’t run by a greedy collection of haphazard fools, who lack wisdom, direction, discipline and the logistics as you like to believe in your ‘random’ theory perspective on life.
The world is run by Puppet Masters. Of the three types of Masters they are the most formidable, skilled and dangerous. The three types of Masters are the Conqueror, he cowers people into submission like the Israelis do with Palestinians. The second type of Master is the Inspirer; Barack Obama is a good but poor example, someone who can inspire people through words, or words and ideas to follow him. He gets much more productivity than the Conqueror who must always deal with the people they have cowered trying to rebel and gain strength against him. Kind of like Israel as it smashes Palestinian infrastructure every couple of years. Yet even the Inspirer fails to inspire everyone and has people who rebel against his notions. The Inspirer has more productive slaves but not the most productive slaves.

The Puppet Master does not conquer by force of arms though he might send out a lesser Master who does, who is on his strings to accomplish this. The Puppet Master does not expose himself to the masses or any one group in it’s entirety to inspire them, though he might send out a lesser Master who does inspire people who he retains and manipulates on his strings.

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