To not fear TPTB go get drunk with them.

I loved the post and the thread. Yes, when you ask a question from 10 different people, you get 10 different answers. It is because we are all different. We all have different experiences and we all speak what we know. Nobody is lying. They all shared their experience in reaction to the post. I experienced many scenarios described here. Just remember nothing is permanent. It always oscillate. If it is too far left, it swings back moving to right. Swinging back and forth depends on greed. Too much greed and the swing will be too far. There is always a Moses when things go too far left. It is the nature that balances itself. Religion always thought us how to live in the middle and be peaceful. Why are we member of ATS because we gain the knowledge here. Knowledge is power. And we all love power. The mafia of twenties are dead but their offspring got good education and moved in big offices. But their religion is the same Power money and greed. I witnessed these things with the help of friends. Just the way you know that bilderberg is in works. North American Union is going to happen. Ameros exist. How many of you knew the collapse of monetary system before September 15,2008. I read it on ATS in June 2008 and I took it serious. I protected myself.

Originally posted by mopusvindictus
reply to post by dazbog

 

NO.....

But if you live in Switzerland and know the local bar keep you can get in...

All it actually takes is the right clothes and enough money for the doorman...

who is like you and I a Nobody with a lucky Job
Someone pours the drinks right?








'Someone' does all the ' somethings ' you mention for the President and many people of influence.
" NO......." I can't get in, but I can get in, if I know a bartender, have the right clothes and a C- note for the door man. MY G_D Tonto! I'll get right on that ! Your silly party life and intoxicated friends with a few bucks have nothing to do with policy makers.
Hell I can't even meet the bloody Governor of Colorado without giving the democratic party fifty grand. I have been misled. I could of saved myself $49.900.00 if I'd only known the right bartender, had a better tailor and slipped a hun to the "doorman"

I can agree with most of what you've written though theres a part of my mind that still believe these/us damn dirty apes are capable of much mischief. Oh well, nobody lives forever and heres hoping for a higher level of consiousness beyond this mortal quagmire.

[edit on 8-7-2009 by Mourninwoody]

reply to post by dazbog

MY G_D Tonto! I'll get right on that ! Your silly party life and intoxicated friends with a few bucks have nothing to do with policy makers.
Hell I can't even meet the bloody Governor of Colorado without giving the democratic party fifty grand. I have been misled. I could of saved myself $49.900.00 if I'd only known the right bartender, had a better tailor and slipped a hun to the "doorman"

It is not that hard to see the Governor! I met Jeb Bush by accident. I pass Charlie Crist jogging quite often! My buddy pulled into a parking lot and waited for an inteview with the Mayor to end and then introduced himself to the Mayor as a frat buddy!

I also shook George Sr. hand at a speech years ago, talked to Tom Selleck at a pool in Vegas, had Trick Daddy in apartment after a concert, rode with Jerry Rice from the airport to a golf tournament, etc, etc.

I make $28,000 a year, it is not a matter of money! It is a matter of networking, and being open to opportunities as they arise. If anything, I meet more people now on my low salary than I ever did when I was making a lot of money in my corporate job. I have time to get out more and do things!

A $100 to a door man will do a lot more than you think, I bet you have never even tried it!

So Ice Cube (NWA) WAS right...."Life ain't nothin but B*tches and Money"

This is complete and utter garbage.
If this guy is spending only $2000 per night, then its fair to say he's NOT spending time with the elites that run the world.
Name dropping bush shows that he's not spending time with the real power as bush (like all presidents) is just a puppet not the puppet master.
Who the OP is talking about is the second or third tier of Tptb not the source.
Dis-information by ego and idiocy I'm afraid.
This guy knows nadda we don't all know already. Massive FAIL

reply to post by Badfuture


An awful lot of these negative responses are obviously from people who's own experience is only from movies and television. If you are hanging out with TPTB, or any other rich circles, you will not be spending any money! ZERO! Your tab will be the price to make the connection and get in the door. After that, you need some flash money for politeness, as you will always "offer" to buy, but you will never be allowed to!

If you find yourself buying, you are obviously the most wealthy person in a room full of posers!

Pride is huge among the elite, and I have seen fistfights break out over people trying to pay their own bill!

In Bal Harbor, Miami, FL I met a man in the Sheraton that took the entire Hotel Lobby to a fine lunch/dinner. He wanted some company, and he dropped about $8000 for lunch! He was entirely offended at the one person who aggressively tried to pay, and quickly informed them to put their money away or find another restaurant to eat at!!!

Those of you without personal experience are missing the boat here! This type of thing is fairly common. What good is wealth if you can't flaunt it!?!

It is true, that the real PTB are probably not partying too much. I.E. Henry Kissinger doesn't seem like the South Beach type, but I am sure he has dropped some serious money on Call Girls in his day! I probably couldn't breach his inner circle, but with a little effort, I could probably meet some girls who have!


[edit on 8-7-2009 by getreadyalready]

reply to post by getreadyalready


As far as looking for girls that kissenger has had, you would be better off looking for underage girls as most of the real ptb are into kids but of course you would know that.
Get on rothschild's scooner then say its just frat boy fun, ask cathy O'brien about the elites sexual tastes but no that would ruin your whole Hunter S. Thompson style fantasy.
Oh and by the way don't presume I haven't lived, after all $2000 is only around £1000 in real money.
The fact that your on these boards boasting, show's that you wouldn't be trusted with any secrets sexual or otherwise by the real power in this world.
Forget naming celebs as we both know that the are into orgy's and most of them are just dicks with A.D.D.
(wags finger) Stop it! I don't agree with your post.

Well - if you could buy your way into some info with a few loud nights then I don't think there would be many secrets around.

People who like to drink or do drugs aren't usually the type you want to share a deadly secret with - or involve in your plans of world domination - although of course, I like to babble about my own plans for world domination when I'm totally wrecked ..

Originally posted by Badfuture
reply to post by getreadyalready

 

As far as looking for girls that kissenger has had, you would be better off looking for underage girls as most of the real ptb are into kids but of course you would know that.
Get on rothschild's scooner then say its just frat boy fun, ask cathy O'brien about the elites sexual tastes but no that would ruin your whole Hunter S. Thompson style fantasy.
Oh and by the way don't presume I haven't lived, after all $2000 is only around £1000 in real money.
The fact that your on these boards boasting, show's that you wouldn't be trusted with any secrets sexual or otherwise by the real power in this world.
Forget naming celebs as we both know that the are into orgy's and most of them are just dicks with A.D.D.
(wags finger) Stop it! I don't agree with your post.

But I think you did agree with me....kind of. You agreed that it is all about SEX. You agreed that they are into orgies and are mostly dicks with ADD. You brought up specific incidents of people being involved in these situations that were not a part of TPTB. They were victims in the cases you mention, but most times they are voluntary, or bought and paid for!

As far as Kissinger or any other of these orgies or child fantasies. You are probably correct, and money would still have changed hands, and someone would still have arranged the whole thing. These people are not out trolling schoolyards, these types of things are 'arranged.'

And my name dropping was not boasting, it was only there to drive home the point; I could have gone on and on with that portion, but most of those people would never know they met me.

Maybe you do have some life experience, I don't know you, but your post seemed to imply that it would take $100's of thousands to live this way, and that is incorrect. If you want to own the yacht, or throw the party, or hire your own girls, then yes, you will need to be rich first.

But, it doesn't take much money to get into a VIP room, meet some people, and end up on a yacht going to the Bahamas. It doesn't take any money to get invited to the Playboy Mansion. It takes very little money to find similar hobbies to a governor or senator and befriend them. It doesn't take any money to do someone a favor and wind up escorting a celebrity during a golf tournament.

The OP was stating personal experience, but a lot of people have blown it off as ramblings that could not happen. I know from experience that things happen inexplicably. I have stories that even I don't believe! When I tell them, I sound ridiculous, but luckily many of my friends were right there with me!

Ah I get it now your a hanger on, sorry but you have just confirmed what I originally thought.
You and me both know that powerful people size everybody up as soon as they meet them, they would have sized you up and I find it highly unlikely that they would give you any inside knowlege of what's really happening.
This is the real truth isn't it? You were maybe hired to f**k someone powerfuls fat wife and you hanged on until you were asked to leave.

reply to post by Badfuture


LOL! I wish.

I am not a "hangar" on either. I have never lived with any of these people, or partied with them for more than 24 hours. I honestly have not even gone looking for any special situations. I have slept with some fat wives, but I wasn't paid for it, except in alcohol, oh and one tattoo! I am only relating a few of the things that have happened to me over many years. I also never claimed to have any secrets. That is the OP's stance; I was only stating how plausible his claims are.


Back on topic:
I, for one, do not think their is a central conspiracy or group behind all of our woes. There are certainly small conspiracies, and groups that would like to influence world events, but I totally agree with the OP, that things are too random and chaotic for there to be a "Master Plan." That goes for religion as well. I don't even think God has a "Master Plan." I do think 09/11 was an inside job, and I do not know who was behind it. I think we went to the moon, I think we don't know the tip of the iceberg, and I don't think we ever will!

[edit on 8-7-2009 by getreadyalready]

Well I'm leaving this thread still disbelieving the OPs claims.
I'm off to party with alec baldwin, paris, kissenger, m.j. (thats right he was just pulling the old dead man's curve to get out of his debts) and kiera knightly, all for £5.40p ahh fun times lulz.

reply to post by Edrick


Go ahead & check out the pics. You'll recognize Roosevelt among others. I've often wondered if Hillary had won the presidency if they'd have to change the rules of the Grove since it's a presidential retreat, yet a men's club to boot. How would that have worked?

There has been a lot of interesting stuff said on this thread and it caught my eye because....

I have worked for some wealthy small time men and done bartending and cook work while slowly getting a degree. I watched these men, who trusted me as a young, supposedly naive female, take over other businesses, conspire with each other, etc. I will not attest to what went on at their parties or things that happened to my friends at these parties.

From my experience with these low-level multi-millionaires (some of whom had been dirt poor and gotten lucky at business and others born to it) I came to the opposite conclusions of the OP.

I believe the microcosm revealed in their affiliations, networking, and conspiring against other small business owners began to cause me to believe greater conspiracies could be at work.

Bottom line: The rich want to get richer and have more power. They like the way they live. The love of money IS the root of all evil. I certainly saw it all at work.

So, I went from being extremely skeptical of conspiracies to actually seeing how they work on the small scale.

As for the bigger picture we probably have very few of the answers, but we have at least glimpses of what is really going on. From evidence and reason we can begin to piece more together.

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[edit on Thu, Jul 9th 2009 by Djarums]

reply to post by muzzleflash


I am 100% drug free, not a poison enters my body by will... I described that I have had periods in my life in which I did.

I also described if you chose to read (which you didn't) that I always maintained (with honestly one small recent period about 2 years back which Forever changed my habits) a Level of self control...

I have Never used a prostitute in MY LIFE...

I have KNOWN quite a few though... I don't judge people that way. The women in question were Beautiful, very high paid highly educated and... I never disrespected any of them, we aren't talking about desperate street walkers being abused, we are talking about Women who made conscious choices, women who went on dates, for the night were wined and dined and made more money than I ever saw...

I couldn't have afforded these women if I wanted to

I don't recommend it or anything... don't get me wrong.

But I also NEVER practiced it...

In the end i'm... kind of a Romantic guy...

The most sleeping around, the only sleeping around I ever did was in my early 20's... over a decade ago...

For Ten years

I was 100% faithful to a woman, didn't party at all and had three beautiful children...

Divorced almost two years ago... I did for a time consume substances again, bad ones and then swore off them for ever... I went 100% holistic, Meditate daily, never even take medications

For the previous 12 Months I had the sort of fortune to be living in the richest neighborhood in My City...

I was out and with people of a very high caliber every week... I didn't do drugs, I didn't drink in any excess ever... just socialized... Played Golf, went for an occasional cocktail etc...

But I was in the "In crowd again" I aslo work in Entertainment, finished a small documentary for a friend and it included several well known rock stars...

and i'm not bragging... I have a very wealthy extended family...

That's all...

I am not actually saying there is NO Conspiracies ever...

Basically just that most of them are Bunk...

People want to insist that there are unseen forces behind all the capitals of Industry and president etc, etc...

I DON'T BELIEVE IT

I HAVE NEVER SENSE A MALEVOLENT CONTROLLING PRESENCE,

I have seen HUMAN Beings... with FLAWS, Normal HUMAN FLAWS



I reference 9-11

GW was sitting with CHILDREN...

If you actually believe he could be say.... a secret REPTILLIAN or truely Horrible person, the KIDS would have sensed it, if you have kids you know how sensitive they are

You don't have to... actually even meet them to know mostly is politics and lobbyists and pressures from a Million special Interest groups that drive these guys...

It's ludicrous... completely to BELIEVE there is an actual Satanic connection to most of these people

Quite insane to think Big Pharma DESIRES the Killing of it's Patrons

Or that these men plan to exterminate us all because a moron like Ted Turner uses the phrase "useless eaters"

I disagree highly with many laws that have been enacted...

But the cops are just people, MOST aren't out there looking to hurt us...

There are agendas we disagree with

Pieces of the Constitution I want back...

and with hard work...effort and attention it is possible still to see those things happen, what can be turned can be overturned

Without violence

Without Chaos

And by convincing people to WAKE UP... and become a Majority so these ORDINARY MEN pass laws that the MAJORITY insist upon...

And the MAJORITY

DOES NOT VOTE

People can't rant and rave all they want...

A Singular Truth remains... these men aren't EVIL, they may be corrupt... they may not follow the same laws they enact....

But they DO follow the wishes of THE VOTERS IF THEY VOTE

IMHO the last election actually saw people ACT... a bit

56% came out to vote

Slightly over Half... which is still laughable...

If Americans actually stood up and demanded the patriot act to be gone... IT WOULD BE

ditto for any other thing most of us in here dislike

But our voting population is eldery and often special interest based...

NOw the CHOICE

OBAMA vs Mc Cain

How many people were involved in the run offs?

The same HANDFUL that get involved every year...that's who, die hard party members...

If we don't like the choice we have a choice...

and YES

I'm guilty as charged to....

But to sit around feeling helpless and then concoct stories of REVOLUTIONS

It's shameful, laughable and wrong

If 44% of the people, wont go to the Booth to pull a lever who is following these rants about American Revolution and why not just get out your door ONE Day a YEAR and do something about it?

I CONDONE NOTHING...

I said more than once when younger I lived a fast life and was AROUND that NOT IN IT...recently again and I have at least ONE Family Member... that has been accused right here..on ATS in the past of being ...

A Zionist Conspiracy

A Reptilian Shape shifter

A Member of the Illuminati

In on 9-11

And I CAN say per FACT none of the above is true, none of these things existed because I KNOW

I don't even like the guy really in Question, nor support 90% of the politics...

Nor those of the neighbor I mentioned...

Or Celebrities I have been fortunate enough to meet... in my Life time...

But I can assure you MOST of the main conspiracies are bunk... They aren't out to Kill us all, the plan isn't to lock down the US

They are scared of what you MIGHT do... when they read things and hear things that are ABSURD

It's a terrible... TERRIBLE CYCLE


and as for me... I was never all that bad as a person...

And I am light years from giving a damn... about anything Material beyond what I need to have a nice life... and, I take care of myself, but i'm not greedy, I don't go out much more than once a week ever...

and when you ASSUME you make a.... Out of you and ME

In terms of behavior, I have never actually done... anything, ANYTHING at all that doesn't go on in any dorm room In America between the ages of 18-25, nothing most of you have never done either...

And there is a point to that...

It seems it's perfectly fine...

Just Fine and dandy for those of us who aren't "important" or "Rich" to read whatever we like, to say whatever we want and to experiment sexually in a myriad of ways etc...etc...

But when a leader... is revealed to do the SAME exact things

Or I say I have been in such a crowd... and simply acknowledge what went on...

I AM GUILTY BY ASSOCIATION INSTANTLY?

There acts are Immoral, indecent and on and on... and mine had to have been too...

From what I assure you is ONLY AND NOTHING MORE THAN A THREAD THAT SAYS...

"Hey, these guys go out and drink too" These guys do the exact same things you do just at a higher price tag...

It's NOT about a life of debauchery...

I use the words only because... I have walked away from all that, having a sample of it finding myself single again after a Decade I QUICKLY removed it for a simple life near my children and to go back to try and attain my doctorate...

simple affirmation that... that's not me, i don't really like Golf... I don't find these guys to actually be REAL fun ... but I do know some of them

And they Just aren't all that Bad to DEMONIZE and FEAR in the manner we do

reply to post by muzzleflash


AND

SO?

SO if I have smoked a bowl of weed with a high dollar hooker in the living room, with five or six other people... after she was with an elected official

How does that change who I am or what I believe or make a statement of my actions?

If I've taken business men out in a Limo from other countries... to go to strip shows and get drunk, because my boss at the time said... hey your cool...you know where and how to give these guys a Good time, does that mean I was directly involved or that I had to stay relatively straight and keep them out of trouble?

If I had a relative close to Bush does that mean I supported his beliefs?

Or simply VERY SIMPLY that I know hes not an Alien or Reptilian or in a Zionist Plot to rule the world etc etc et al...

If on simple common sense since I have taken Vaccinations... and they never have harmed me... does it mean I LIKE THEM or think nothing can wrong? Or is it simple science and logic to say hey.... they have saved Millions maybe Billions of lives?

If I grew up IN NY and have buddies that were close to the Mayor, very close and I say I am sure he had NO IDEA about 9-11 did I rule out that some had to? Obviously someone did...

I'm simply saying the conspiracies usually take it way to far and deep... involve too many people...

GENERALIZE LABEL ACCUSE people who are innocent of preposterous things from complete and utter ignorance...

reply to post by Mindmelding


Excuse them?

I never said excuse anybody...

Just that, there isn't a global plot, they aren't plotting our demise and they are fallable like the rest of us... maybe worse sometimes... but none the less utterly human, not nearly as powerful as you think riddled with insecurities and PEOPLE like you and I

reply to post by mopusvindictus


Loved your incendiary diatribe here; no doubt it'll cause some fuss around here. I agree with most of what you say, but I think your hyperbole hurts the points you're trying to drive home. Most of these conspiracies concerning the global elite, reptilian bloodlines, secret societies are the products of fearful/fanciful/mentally unstable/and/or overactive imaginations in my opinion.

Although I know exactly what the OP was talking about...I don't know what the acronym "TPTB" means, can someone explain that to me?

Thanks.