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To not fear TPTB go get drunk with them.

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posted on Jul, 8 2009 @ 12:46 AM
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Originally posted by ogbert


I hear what you are saying and i wish it were all that simple. There are people who are diligent, competant , and truly care about the welfare of all. If it were all that simple, the morons could be easily persuaded or tricked into doing the right thing. Instead, we are losing our prosperity, our livelihoods and our freedoms to a billionaire class.



I'm saying MOST of these people are decent and caring and diligent and competent and care about the welfare of others

They just have to HIDE because we hold them to a standard that we ourselves never can match, that most of what is used as cannon fodder against them is....

Nonsense, the same stuff we all do

It is very EASY to say what we would do with money and power...

YET... Most of us can't refrain from these behaviors that cause us pain long enough to even reach that level...

Jim Morrison had it right...

We want their DEATH

NOT VICE VERSA

We Love when the Mighty fall... from a place we can never even reach ourselves...

I hear rants every day about how awful it all is...

YET where is our innovation right now?

Have you...invented something NEW today? Would you even know where to begin?

The big corporations stink...

So why do we all work from them

WHERE HAS THE AMERICAN ENTREPRENEURIAL SPIRIT GONE?

It is gone... not from lack of money but lack of will...

In phx from where I just moved or NY where I was born I SEE Immigrants with NOTHING buying homes from 18 hr days pushing junk on the streets...

They are the Elite... these people we HATE

But did their parents or parents parents not build that fortune the same way?

WE ARE CRIPPLES (not me)

I wanted things... I always have had a business a new one every few years when I screw up or things change...

I DO NOT WANT a crummy 401 K and a 9-5

Not yelling ... not exactly

But give me break...

MOST RICH PEOPLE LIVE A LIFE OF SERVICE TO OTHERS... Most poor people do not...

and yeah if they decide to cut loose who is to judge them for drinking Champagne instead of Mickeys?

They have Billions and no one can find ANYTHING to sell them?

You just want them to make little jobs which we work and live in our little boxes and and never do much of anything unique or original?

WHY ON EARTH DO WE DESIRE JOBS THESE DAYS NOT BUSINESSES?

We Americans, everybody has made this a WELFARE Society and your mad when it's not enough?

There is an Internet... the Library is Open 7 days a week...

We need to Invent again... we need to THINK

We have to get up in the morning and say hey... what do people NEED

How is working in a toll both or a check out line at walmart going to make any of us rich?

Should we.... Revolt and take their money? Or is there a better way to take it... away in which it's willingly given?

Invent an new Golf club... lol

Make a condom that tastes like Mangoes...

Anything... anything but except welfare like Jobs to pay for a house....

LOL... I never even know what the hell i'm doing when I open a business and it always works... if I persist, the economy can't hold you down if your genuinely useful...

Even in the debauchery days... I provided a SERVICE

I ended up...i'm doing nature photography right now... I don't know a damn thing about it lol

I bought a nice camera and... away I go...

Think i'd do better getting a JOB with a Nature photographer... for 300.00 a week to carry his bags lol?

(it's far from all i'm doing) but lol I go, I learn I sell

Capitalism 101

If we run out of OIL LOL

Look for me... I'll be pulling a Rickshaw... For myself... not for some company

Maybe they do FAIL to teach us how...

But... where's our spirit gone...




posted on Jul, 8 2009 @ 12:55 AM
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Exactly...

So many people hate the cops... as If THEY all like some of the dumb laws out there...

I HAVE been caught doing mildly stupid things, sex in semi public, low end party favors...

and If I'm Cool, stay cool... 99% of the time they let me go and I know this si the case unless your a jerk...

Cops are Just people too...

Sometimes we get these threads where a rookie or imbecile handles the situation wrong and it's all about "The police State"

I partied tons... but beyond the age of 18... I was never INCOHERENT or DANGEROUS EVER

Do I care about Money NO

But I darn do skippy take a cab as opposed to drive, I didn't CARRY EVER I did delivery Only and yeah the LIMO sect for the few extra bucks sure helps too so does staying home until you can afford it...

I guess... I always did have a level of self control or I couldn't have been Kato type could I have?

But I digress...

The Cops have always been cool to me if I talked straight to them and wasn't a big jerk off



posted on Jul, 8 2009 @ 01:02 AM
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Kind of agree actually

Half of the top ten rich men droped out of school look at Wayne Huizenga.. guy started with a Garbage truck went on to own WM and Blockbuster Video there was a Blockbuster opening somewhere in the world every HR at one point... it can't even be fathomed it's like comprehending a light year...

So yeah College won't make you REAL wealth and if your not at the right school you wont mostly be meeting the right people like Bush Jr did for example...

BUT

If you lack focus...

A college campus is allot safer than being out screwing around poor in the streets... the cops are after you away from those neighborhoods, your bills are paid by Obama for a time and no one is likely to kill you, nor is class if you have NO IDEA what you want to do... worse than being aimless...

Even a community college has some inspiration to it, teachers who might spark something...

But yes... IF your ready I'd say go straight into business... IF



posted on Jul, 8 2009 @ 01:20 AM
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well yeah...

That's capitalism... working for a capitalist SUCKS lol

It's not a secret it's in the very word to CAPITALIZE

It beats socialism though because you don't HAVE to do it... at least not anymore than it takes to open a business of some kind

Somewhere we got convinced that the day was done at 5:00

I'm working on my computer while shmoozing in here...

I was taking pictures outside between posts earlier...

My day wont be over when i'm done either

I just make sure...

I ENJOY the things I do

and I don't mind being poor, in order to get rich sometimes...

Trust me... I worked lame jobs a dozen of them 2x over... I worked, took student loans and started a business in college

and throwing a party is a BUSINESS... dang takes weeks to get a club going promotionally... for the 6 hrs I spent with various birds... I made hundreds of phone calls gave out thousands of flyers and... got a reputation...

all month for one good night

That stuff was when young

But I have to do it AGAIN right now... (not partys lol... no more g-d forbid never..aaaggggggggh)

I've been.... broker than PT Barnum after the first Elephant rampage LOL

But it's exciting, makes me feel alive...

I have NO IDEA What comes next honestly... Just some stuff i'm doing...

and it's great, it beats the hell out of a job...

I've gone from well off to poor some many times I'm a yoyo from it....

and in the end it's more secure....

See

My Dad was in the Navy, worked for defense contractors most of his life after....

You know what he got a 401 K worth... 201 K that went to an aneurism that made him retire at 72 broke on SS

I was....

affected by that

I can't risk that

My CRAZY life holds more potential

I've never been afraid because this is what having a JOB got my Dad at during GOOD times

Bad credit good credit no credit good times bad times...

I like the rich, because you can watch what they do and if you don't work for them your among them... a FREE MAN

Even if all you got is a lemonade stand... you still have a chance to supply the Lemonade for a big party one day a charge YOUR price not whats offered... Just be sure to make damned good lemonade when you do



posted on Jul, 8 2009 @ 01:33 AM
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Not everyone would act this way - I recently went to a fancy thing and was bummed by it.

Some guys really believe in true love.



posted on Jul, 8 2009 @ 02:00 AM
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Oh sure... recently LOL yeah the 80's and 90's are long over rofl....

Yeah the jet set is party pooper central right now...

Given time to recover and my age... ill probably never see those days again...

Kind of almost makes me glad I did it...

even prior to the down turn, any hooker alive will tell you... some of these guys are lonely as heck... many cry or just lay with them...

Corney as it sounds maybe some just go mad dying for acceptance and love?

Take kim Jong Il

This will sound Bizarre...

But has anyone ever sent this guy a Birthday Card in his whole life?

Bought him a Puppy?

Why Does a man try and make himself a diety?

No one ever loved him, his father never accepted him... point blank there isn't some conspiracy there or a desire to take over the world...

He's probably a funny little guy

But just a jerk and people don't react well to him around the world...so he postures...

But when the guy Pops...

When... it probably could have been avoided if we just actually HUMANIZED him...

He's not a stooge of China in a plot for world dominance...

He's not out to destroy the world...

He's not the Bloodline of Ghengis Khan

He isn't possessed by a Dragon lol

He's a guy no one sent a Puppy in a box to as a kid... plain and simple... he's... he's easy to figure out...

He LOVES America and we do is yell back at him when he's a jerk off

He's short and he wants some pride.to feel powerful so he builds bigger Dongs lol...

MK is to me a situation we can toatlly WIN by just being Nice...

I'm not saying that's the case 90% of the time, i'm not irrational...

But he's a desperate cry for attention if I have ever seen one in my life...

But we DEMONIZE instead of understand the parameters...

Kim Jong would love to come for dinner at the White House... he'd be our best pal if we were nice to him...



posted on Jul, 8 2009 @ 02:15 AM
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All drunken debauchery aside, this was a great post in an important aspect everyone should follow: DO NOT LIVE IN FEAR.

Think about it: TPTB have already won if you constantly fear what is going to happen and worry about what "they" will do to you. I've been a victim myself. There have been days where I just can't help but sit and think about "what if this happens? Will they make me take a mandatory Swine Flu Vaccine when I enter in the Air Force? Will and RFID chip be placed in everyone? etc etc...

You can't live your life like this. Being prepared is one thing, as is being paranoid. Like the OP said, the Universe is probably the best thing that gives humanity hope. It can explain where we came from, where we're going, what we can do, what we can't do (but later overcome) etc etc...

It's such a positive thing to think about (all black holes aside) and it really opens up your mind. The same goes with Cryptology/zoology and everything else listed.

That's my rant and I'm sticking to it.



posted on Jul, 8 2009 @ 02:22 AM
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Sorry posted in wrong thread.

*EDIT*

[edit on 8-7-2009 by h1satsu]



posted on Jul, 8 2009 @ 03:49 AM
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Hey o.p., nice topic.

After years of confusing conspiracy theories, and visually studying the world, I basically came to the same conclusions as you.

Nobody knows anything!

I would personally enjoy sitting down and talking with any "PTB" that may exist, and getting drunk with them. I would also enjoy sharing some ideas with them that could literally change the world. Maybe we could help each other out in a business deal, it would be really cool! Doubt they would be willing to do that though.. : / Just a dream I guess.

Since nobody knows anything, that means the person who figures "it" out first is really in a good position.


Oh, and since I know some "PTB" read ATS, please U2U me if you want to change the world!

p.s. I can forgive and forget.

[edit on 8-7-2009 by 0nce 0nce]



posted on Jul, 8 2009 @ 04:51 AM
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You rock... You get the point of this whole thread...

What the heck are they actually going to do, the can't poop the whole place up it's all we have for the moment, they have no actual power and they all have the same needs as the rest of us...

Truly there is nothing to fear but ourselves, playing the victim

I have watched... so many people worry about the economy, when I KNOW 90% of us live week to week, LOL if they declare bankruptcy what actually happens to most of us...

NOTHING, NOTHING Changes aside from a few months of grief, they will have to ship food, they will only play on those that live in fear...

And in the end none of them want that

They want to have a good life too, they can't if we are truely miserable...



posted on Jul, 8 2009 @ 04:54 AM
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Rofl i'm still trying to figure out... what it is I should figure out


So many people have approached this calling on the nameless and the faceless behind the scenes...

Please show yourselves if you exist at all...

I doubt "They" do



posted on Jul, 8 2009 @ 05:36 AM
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If you think those who are in charge of Big Pharma wont introduce diseases into the masses for money and power then I think your wrong. If there is a way to make money as ruthless as it is there are always plenty of people willing to do it, and it is that advantage that takes them to the top.



posted on Jul, 8 2009 @ 05:55 AM
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well sure they will... someone will be a donkey lol

Inevitably if not already

But they don't make a profit without a Cure or treatment

It's not like your a Native American being given a small pox blanket....

Lets say this flu is it... and they make a bundle on the vaccine, do you think it won't come out and stop... maybe .05% will suffer the rest will waste 100 bucks...

It's just NOT the nightmare scenario people make it out to be...

Parasites need hosts, even if some among us are parasites they still NEED us...

Not condoning nor defending, there are always those who take advantage...

But MOST Doctors go to school to heal the sick, MOST scientists want to cure disease...

sure...sure we will surely have things that are taken adavnatge of... once or twice till people get wise...

But saying "big Pharma " implies all of those nice people who are curing g-d knows how many diseases are part of some conspiracy

I don't like vaccines... I prefer my own immune sytem frankly...

But Vaccines have saved a BILLION lives...

soooooo

If some company takes advantage then... it 's a risk...

If the Mercury did cause Autism now they have removed it...

Not like this stuff has been around long after all, but mostly it's a good thing....

I read a thread the other day in which a dozen people immediately threatened to fight if they demanded vaccinations... Kill people lol

LOL every single one of them have already taken 30 and survived just fine...

What the docs want you to drop dead, how do they make money that way? If you become a tard because of a shot how do you afford to pay them...

No one is trying to do major harm...

Sure, some vaccines have harmed people

far more have saved lives even if they did them stupid and used Mercury in the past...

Big pharma is Big, dozens of companies...

I kind of like having health insurance....

I can go to the doc and say my Bum hurts, I can't sleep, I have head aches and I'd like to prolong my erections...

and they can pimp me exactly what I need on request

I'm a holistic guy and off all drugs entirely...

But it's nice to be able to get so specific... If I choose to



posted on Jul, 8 2009 @ 07:26 AM
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Originally posted by 1SawSomeThings
reply to post by mopusvindictus
 



edit to add: Why again should we not fear them? If we are in a ship piloted by drunks with no morals, should we not fear?!



[edit on 7-7-2009 by 1SawSomeThings]




I must not fear. Fear is the mind-killer. Fear is the little death that brings total obliteration. I will face my fear. I will permit it to pass over me and through me. And when it has gone past I will turn the inner eye to see its path. Where the fear has gone there will be nothing. Only I will remain.
- Bene Gesserit Litany Against Fear



posted on Jul, 8 2009 @ 07:27 AM
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I disagree 100% with this thread.

All of the people with no morals or sense are trying to tell others how everything works. Why would we ever listen to someone who goes to party and gets hoes and blow?

Sorry you have ZERO credibility when you have no morals or common sense.

Four thumbs down, for this pretentious and self-righteous thread.
The arguements in here have no effect on us, it is little more than the rantings and ravings of those with no morals or sense attempting to convince us to relinquish our ethics and morals and good sense.

Oh ya, and since some drunk guy said conspiracies are fake, that must mean they are. LMFAO!

Ya right, I think Ill turn down your offer and continue thinking for myself.

Sorry this is as bad as the Reptilian threads. If not worse.

No evidence, just opinions. Poor ones at that.



Now, i am moving onwards to greener pastures. Good luck.



posted on Jul, 8 2009 @ 07:30 AM
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Originally posted by 0nce 0nce


Nobody knows anything!



Than may I ask, How would you know that?

Seems to me you would not know either way. If what your saying is true.



posted on Jul, 8 2009 @ 07:47 AM
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Well, this thread is a new disinfo angle for sure...

I don't buy the premisse. Just because one drunken party dog meets another bunch of drunken rich party dogs dosen't mean he knows how TPTB are structured and who they are, although it does give some insight. This thread is some tiny bit of experience and a whole lot of assumption. I've had similar experiences with high ranking officials, yet did not come to the same "they're just good fellas" conclusion

I can accept that some of them are just parasites who want to get laid. That dosen't excuse what they do when they're sober.



posted on Jul, 8 2009 @ 08:30 AM
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Have you...invented something NEW today? Would you even know where to begin?



Actually, i strive to create. When i have time left over from my self employment. I have written a book;and, I focus on creating music that is unique. My mind is always striving to create something new. Not for a desire to become an idol, or, richer than someone else, but for the joy of learning new things.

I went to engineering school to actually learn something--not hob nob. I come from a hob nobbing well connected family though. My Grandfather was a multi millionaire in the twenties. I have seen a side of things that most haven't. My mothers father was a philanthropist and well loved in the community.

There are two kinds of people. Those that get ahead because other people trust them; and , those that cheat others. There have been many tyrants in history; and, to categorize all those in power as the same is outright foolish. Yes, there are many who mean well; and, due to circumstances beyond their control, are forced to comply with an ever restricting status quo. However, there are meglo maniacs, tyrants, evil mongers, psychopaths, sociopaths, and those who delight in nothing other than sheer power over others and fomenting oppression.

There is a problem with Capitalism when monopolies make competition futile. Additionally, there is a problem with democracy, when the populace at large votes themselves pay raises. We are experiencing both scenarios at the moment.

To ignore history is to repeat history. There have been many genocides. When power or capital is amassed against the masses and less pie is left over for the common folk. watch out!

If everyone followed the golden rule and dropped fear; i sincerely believe we could go somewhere on this planet. yes, we created them. Everyone does not have to be rich to be happy. My Grandfather was rich, but, a poor man these days has a lot more toys and doesn't have to use an outhouse.

additionally, technology has been consolidated to empower the few, when it should be implemented to empower the many. I am taking here about cheap energy. We are on the dawn of robotics and huge lifespans. With free energy and earth sustaining living, we do not need the same power hierarchies, but there are those who would cling to fuedal power to the last, before succumbing to be just as everyone else.

We are lied to constantly. There are solutions. We need to start living them and supporting our future as a race and stop jumping everytime somebody screams the sky is falling. To come together on this planet, we need to focus on the needs of every single human. Instead of bleeding third world countries of their resources, we can use technology to empower the masses. When basic survival needs are met at a community level; those, who want to horde and control could be laughed at.

So far technology has enslaved us, being used as weapons of war ands oppression. we do not have to live the way we do.



posted on Jul, 8 2009 @ 09:21 AM
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If everyone followed the golden rule and dropped fear; i sincerely believe we could go somewhere on this planet. yes, we created them. Everyone does not have to be rich to be happy. My Grandfather was rich, but, a poor man these days has a lot more toys and doesn't have to use an outhouse.


Extremely good point. We define poverty these days by an income level, but compare the most impoverished person in the US to any average person in Somalia, Ethiopia, or Rich people in our recent past!

I loved the pic of Michelle Obama in the soup kitchen and the homeless guy with a Blackberry Cell Phone taking her picture!

The recent "happiness" rating that just came out was a farse! US was in the bottom 10 and Costa Rica was #1????? I have been to Costa Rica, and I have friends with family there. They all want to come here (US)!

For all the problems that we have, and all the conspiracy talk, my friend this weekend made a great point as we laid out in the pool, watched the kids play, smelled the BBQ and literally blew up $100 on fireworks.......THIS IS A PRETTY GOOD LIFE!

I complain as much as the next guy, but when it comes down to it, I am very, very, happy!



posted on Jul, 8 2009 @ 09:38 AM
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IN VINO VERITAS

Yes, in wine, truth. Now of course we can look at this one of two ways... tptb are really a bunch of average Joes with a lot of money and no sense OR... we can look at the nature of human behavior and realize that most people at the top of the money/power food chain are complete sociopaths.

I think that the truth is somewhere in the middle out there, in a gray area (not in a reptilian area... heh, I made a funny, but I digress). In my 40 plus years on this planet, I have one thing that I have come to understand about people I have met from all walks of life: none of us are perfect. Now the fact that none of us are perfect leads me to believe why on earth we would fathom an idea of perfect intentions? How can imperfect people carry out perfect intentions? That is the great comedic conundrum, my amigos.

My own personal experiences have fueled and built my beliefs. I was at one time agnostic and now I am Christian. That said, I am convinced that not only is there a God, but he has a weird sense of humor. If you want to make him laugh, tell him your plans. TPTB do this on a daily basis. I also believe that the greater the quantity of control one has, the easier it is for one to lose. That is why the grand poo-bah governments of more centralized power have gone the way of the dinosaur. That is why the more powerful developed nations run on democracy and elections. Who the heck really wants to run a country... I mean really, you'd have to be crazy... maybe even a sociopath.

S & F.



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