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posted on Jul, 7 2009 @ 10:06 PM
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Originally posted by Sheeper
Ofcourse you must be correct, you are the all knowing mopusvindictus, our politicians don't know anything and neither do the Bilderberg's or any ptb behind the scenes, but mopusvindictus knows what you do not, trust in mopusvindictus to know what can't be known.

Fact is mopusvindictus doesn't know diddly about diddly, he is correct in that we aswell don't know diddly, but lets not take the "whole truth" from another man that don't know diddly. Cock and pretentious and utterly yuck.



LOL exactly I know what I know only and have... an amazing length of a journey ahead of me... I know NOTHING

I simply point out...

They Know as little as the rest of us....

There are no Grand IQ's in Politics or Religion... No Saints, No Christ figures NO One who knows anything more than the same books we all read and the same stuff we learned in school...

and that amounts to...

.0000000001 % of what there is to know...

Thank You Sincerely for making my point exactly... (in an incredibly snide an offensive manner intended to hurt my feelings lol) No one knows what the heck is going on...

At least you get it... know one is piloting the ship, we are flying blind... action and reaction and emotion

As your emotion Punctuates clearly how the process works...




posted on Jul, 7 2009 @ 10:14 PM
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mopusvindictus

I enjoy your humor and have deep respect for your ideology. I like most of the threads you initiate.

I'd have to agree that fear is sometimes counter-productive...but has fear ever aided you? Is it always a bad thing?

Please don't let the human condition pull the wool over your eyes.

Yes, we're all human beings. We have needs that we want to fulfill. That's largely undisputed.

There's still a struggle for power over all of mankind.

Yerbas Lichi, Phillip Agee, Kendall Myers, Stan Meyer, Bruce Ivins and the like.

Good post. Generates good discussion.

I wouldn't want to get drunk with anyone in certain situations.



posted on Jul, 7 2009 @ 10:17 PM
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Ah... but let's be real... 3 people know the Truth about OJ

Kato

OJ

and perhaps the real Killer if it was not him...

The man next to the Man is a very good viewpoint, a great place from which to see a bigger picture...

Who was Kato... Nobody, but Nobody most likely knows the Truth in this case...

No one cares what Nobody knows... Who will believe Nobody anyway? Can Nobody be used as a credible witness...of course not the chair would for all intents and purposes be as good as empty...

I am indeed Nobody in the end, doesn't make me happy a few bucks alone doesn't make me Somebody not in the position I was in...

Even now... in life I rather enjoy being nobody after the fact

When your Nobody your immune... It doesn't matter what i saw, there are tons of Nobody's in positions next to powerful people, Janitors and Party types, prostitutes and Dry Cleaners, Limo Driver and Pimps and all sorts of characters

and they are invisible Nobody... Even the most powerful people need somebody and of course they always pick Nobody



posted on Jul, 7 2009 @ 10:20 PM
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Regarding the OP, you miss the point...

The drunken idiots like Bush, are individuals but they serve a collective which is much more powerful.

It's takes an eclectic bunch to thread the rich tapestry of life. I agree that spreading the seed is what life is all about



posted on Jul, 7 2009 @ 10:21 PM
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LOL thanks... working on the PHD starting this fall...seriously headed back for the highest degree I can attain in the land... but thanks for your assumption i'm a moron...

LOL Research... in school I believe it is called Ethnographic research... like urrmmmm being there first hand if the word is to big for you




Ethnography is a form of research focusing on the sociology of meaning through close field observation of sociocultural phenomena. Typically, the ethnographer focuses on a community (not necessarily geographic, considering also work, leisure, and other communities), selecting informants who are known to have an overview of the activities of the community. Such informants are asked to identify other informants representative of the community, using chain sampling to obtain a saturation of informants in all empirical areas of investigation. Informants are interviewed multiple times, using information from previous informants to elicit clarification and deeper responses upon re-interview. This process is intended to reveal common cultural understandings related to the phenomena under study. These subjective but collective understandings on a subject (ex., stratification) are often interpreted to be more significant than objective data (ex., income differentials).


Just in case you never heard of it...

Maybe if I wrote a book and had it put in Barnes and Noble Next to the Twilight series you'd be more prone to believe me?



posted on Jul, 7 2009 @ 10:26 PM
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$10.000.00 and I get to play with the big dogs ? Damn ! Sign me up for a seat at the next 'World Economic Forum" or maybe the next Bilderberg Group meeting. Hell ! All they do is get drunk and laid right ?! ...................... Are you kidding me !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
These folks don't fly half way around the world in private jets to catch up on the latest fashion trends. Apples and oranges.

[edit on 7-7-2009 by dazbog]



posted on Jul, 7 2009 @ 10:28 PM
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I get what your saying...

When I refer to women taking back religion, I don't mean religion as we know it...

I do believe there was time in the days of old where Women were the spiritual voice of the community... and while we have little evidence, I think maybe Nature and Love and Beauty were more important in those times...

I think we can only recognize... LONG perhaps for those traits today in modern society, I agree, women are NOT flowerful lovely divas for the most part


But I think we tend to think that way because the impulse is still there and we sometimes recognize it and wish it to be true again because an all Male power structured world is ... to me Out of Balance



posted on Jul, 7 2009 @ 10:31 PM
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Originally posted by 1SawSomeThings
Why again should we not fear them? If we are in a ship piloted by drunks with no morals, should we not fear?!


What purpose does fear serve? Why go through life fearful? If there is nothing you can do to change the situation then just enjoy your life.



posted on Jul, 7 2009 @ 10:32 PM
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Great thread.

I would like to comment on your first part regarding going out and blowing 10,000.

My family and I take trips out across the country almost every year...if you have 1,000 saved up, you can have a hell of a time for a damn week, per person that is.

If I blew 500 on a night out, I would be in heaven.

I'm still in school though...



posted on Jul, 7 2009 @ 10:39 PM
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Pure disinformation. Pure propaganda. A puppet show.

Look the harlequins! Dance! Dance!

Sport, I was born into one of the families that helps pull the strings. I'm sure you honestly believe what you're saying, which makes me want to laugh and cry at the same time. You've been bedazzled by the facade. I can tell just from the way you present yourself that you'd never be allowed to see any of the truth. But it's easy to see what a useful tool you could be for spreading disinformation and distortions.

Dance! Dance! Ha ha.



posted on Jul, 7 2009 @ 10:39 PM
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Originally posted by toltecnightmare
? and I'm supposed to trust the guy who bases his post on the wisdom and life experiences he's received from.......other drunks and pot heads.........at the bar....


I completely second the statement above.

Let's not even mention that I am supposed to take the words and views of someone who is admittedly and completely financially incompetent with no sense of priority in his/her life?

What makes it worse is your using a video of a drunk G.W. Bush to prove your point? Bush is not "The Elite" he is simply a tool (in every sense of the word) and a puppet FOR the Elite who are truly the ruling class and the people pulling the strings. They are the Puppet Masters, not George W Bush, he is merely the Puppet.

So in the opinion of the OP (to paraphrase) just because people with power like to get laid means they are just cool people with no agenda? These are the same people who say, "He who dies with the most toys wins" and rest assured with people like yourself out of the picture...it means more for them. In a world with dwindling natural resources... getting more is at the top of the Elite's list.



posted on Jul, 7 2009 @ 10:45 PM
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Yeah cent... this is what this is actually about... stopping and examining the things we believe...

Nail on the head Kudos...

Far from trying to glorify my party days which were damn Grandiose my any normal human standards and far from being a name drop lol

I Know My Uncle in Law who worked for the Pres wasn't REPTILLIAN for g-ds sake...lol. had dinner with him, i'm pretty observant lol

I know the celebrities at the parties I threw weren't aliens... I'm pretty sure ATS isn't full of extra terrestrial beings ... (especially given the said same aliens are so concerned about the economy and job market)


You know... not EVERY planet is in a recession because of George Bush...if you have a space ship you can find employment

Like wise maybe I haven't been to Bohemian Grove but I have been to some pretty upscale druidic type nonsense and... I swear the devil never made an appearance and it was mostly about wife watching lol

And Masons.. really are Fat comfortable business men... my Dad even joined a lodged then bitched about his "brothers" for 20 years lol

and I'm pretty sure most people (even Dick Cheeny) would like to avoid living IN a Mountain for 20 years

And Lil Kim can't kidnap Japanese actresses if the world is on fire...and he kind of likes that... and if he Nukes California there will never be another Movie staring Megan Fox...

and I KNOW...innately with no further evidence that This VERY week Kim Jong Ill got a Boot leg copy of Transformers... somethings are just OBVIOUS in life...

But when I got to ATS these threads predicting doom sometimes scared me...

and now...

lol not at all, even then it made no sense to participate in insane beliefs... Like the Federation being parked in Orbit... Because LOL OUR dirt ball is THAT Important etc, etc...

I am bragging about nothing, some of my years IMHO were wasted....

Just saying, there isn't a global agenda to enslave us, there is no mastermind the antichrist will NEVER arrive...

(yes I did make a thread about Arnold... but you know if I'm wrong he's my candidate)


We all get a vote for anti christ it's still Democracy for now

muhahahahahahaahahahahahahahahah!!!!!!

The cops are forming a police state but most of the cops I know are pretty decent fellas lol

The Govt is conspiring against us... but, I can write about this crazy stuff i've done and no one ever knocks...

Too many SPEED CAMS

That's so far what I have experienced of the huge push to destroy us....



posted on Jul, 7 2009 @ 10:47 PM
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I hear what you are saying and i wish it were all that simple. There are people who are diligent, competant , and truly care about the welfare of all. If it were all that simple, the morons could be easily persuaded or tricked into doing the right thing. Instead, we are losing our prosperity, our livelihoods and our freedoms to a billionaire class.

Most importantly, there needs to be a fair playing field for all. I come from the southern US; and, i can tell you that the American Dream was real for anyone who wanted to expend effort in the late 50's and the 60's. Over the years, i have seen the dream turn to the American Illusion. There has been a well concerted attack on the middle class! More and more money is being consolidated into fewer hands.

The robber barons have made a comeback. A conspiracy exists when two or more people collaborate to take away the rights of others. Corporations are like the Nephalim of old swallowing up everything in site.

Glass Steigal was repealed. Anyone in the Mortgage or real estate market with any sense knew about boom and bust cycles, yet CNN constantly informed viewers to buy, buy buy! I can guarantee you there were some very sharp people on the top who knew what the consequences would be, but did not care. A quick buck for me and the hell with everything else.

Your insouciance is a bit unnerving. Comfortably Numb. Maybe you should run for office? The system surely has your acquiescence. You seem to admire those of power without regards to how many carcasses are strewn in their paths. Sure, everyone wants to be positive and believe in the best; but, a line must be drawn in the sand at some point.

Oh yeah. And the new reality and way to conform brought to you on the tube, by none other than the billionnaires selling you, their dream, for you. Only difference. You buy the illusion and they get the life!



Lets say...as a Fictional idea...

Some one once... pretended to be a Jew and did something awful to Hitler having the senses to know he would be a powerful man one day...
Who was more powerful the man who took that action or Hitler...

That there are some who work in ways far less... obvious


I read that Rudolph Hess, one of the most powerful and influential Nazis in 1941 Germany; up and took off in a Messerschmitt to hunt down Lord Hamilton to get the Scotts to side with Hitler, all on the whims of his astrologer. The astrologer told him that he would be a hero; and, that the Nazis would win the war, should he make the trip. Hess ditched the plane and was captured! so, who was more powerful? the astrologer or Hess? well, actually, they both lost. Joseph Goebbels had the astrologer executed.



posted on Jul, 7 2009 @ 10:47 PM
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I get what your saying...

When I refer to women taking back religion, I don't mean religion as we know it...


Yeah.... Agreed completely.


I do believe there was time in the days of old where Women were the spiritual voice of the community... and while we have little evidence, I think maybe Nature and Love and Beauty were more important in those times...


I really think that today's culture is just too darned focused on what is marketable.

And Beauty is marketable, so women have become (For lack of a better term) a Product, to be bought and sold to the highest bidder.

IT is a dehumanizing trend, and I think this ENTIRE exchange (Including the women that participate, mind you) is to blame for the majority of societies ills.


I think we can only recognize... LONG perhaps for those traits today in modern society, I agree, women are NOT flowerful lovely divas for the most part


Not in the Western World....

There is a saying that I have.......

"I weep as human culture is sacrificed on the alter of consumerist pop entertainment"

I think it sums it up quite nicely.


But I think we tend to think that way because the impulse is still there and we sometimes recognize it and wish it to be true again because an all Male power structured world is ... to me Out of Balance


This is where I have to disagree with you.

The power STRUCTURE is primarily male, because Males are really the only ones who actually build, maintain, and contribute to it.

Women's power is... Soft power... People power.... not measurable in the same way as Mens systems.

This is why you don't see any Matriarchal societies (Except for small tribal things) in history.

The women just won't do it...

Matriarchy just does not work in Reality, in any scale larger than a small tribal structure.

Looks great on paper and everything... but you don't have any motivation in that system.

And when complicated interwoven systems are necessary for the survival of a LARGE populous... Matriarchy just does not work.

-Edrick



posted on Jul, 7 2009 @ 10:57 PM
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NO.....

But if you live in Switzerland and know the local bar keep you can get in...

All it actually takes is the right clothes and enough money for the doorman...

who is like you and I a Nobody with a lucky Job

Someone pours the drinks right?

Someone cleans the beds... after the satanic orgies...


Ezmarelda gets in why not you?

Some doufus got into bohemian grove and filmed the Owl and the whole thing...oh wait was that doufus Alex? lol (kind of like Alex he has allot of heart)

You'd think they'd be more careful right?

Obviously wrong the footage exists

Someone some Nobody carries the luggage

Someone pours the drinks

Someone does the website hehe


Someone puts out

Someone cleans the bed and Vaccums

Someone busses the tables

Someone plays the Music

Someone checks in the guests

Someone works security

Someone lives near by

Someone carries the tables and moves the alter

Someone supplies the dope

Someone flys the plane

Some one drives the Limo

Someone fits the costumes

Someone does the laundry

Someone operates the Lights



Are they all involved?

Are any of them Rich?


You do not need to ever be wealthy to witness what the truth is, you just need to be there....

And there are Thousands of Nobody's like me that can assure us...at the very least they aren't transforming into Lizards... Bealzebub never makes an appearance and they aren't plotting our demise



posted on Jul, 7 2009 @ 11:00 PM
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Amen... LOL "moronic and Apathetic"

hrrrrmmm some yes some no... obviously your not right and went to the same schools...

It's hard to believe celebrities are secret aliens when you knew a couple in HS lol

I'm not defending these jerks... they are just jerks like everyone else...

are we in GREAT hands...

Hell NO!

But they don't want to die nor do the vast majority want us dead...



posted on Jul, 7 2009 @ 11:13 PM
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Trying still to put a "human" face on monsters. They are not human, they have no remorse and they feel no pain. I'm speaking of The Dogs of War. The one's you get drunk and mess around with are just the useful idiots.



posted on Jul, 7 2009 @ 11:16 PM
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LOL... because I never found anyone higher to hang out with beyond ...people who know Senators and The President...

Obviously the secret plot to kill us all must have eluded me...

I can't argue...

There is always that 1 in a Billion IMHO chance... Lucifer has eluded me... and that some evil Sith lord is behind the worlds woes...

In truth

I cannot KNOW anything for certainty except what I have seen with my eyes and what I have seen has been...across the board Human

Trust me... I would LOVE to have seen, some evidence for any of these plots, encountered one politician or celebrity that drunk didn't laugh his butt off about most conspiracy theories...

Some evidence... any that the world actually makes sense that there is some Evil organization... Like COBRA! That would be cool as heck...

Then i'd have an enemy, then I could have order for my mind too

But everything I have learned says... the MIND seeks to CREATE Order, to find answers for pain and sorrow and terrible events...

Even where there is none...

and that.... is a hard troubling thought... that it is all simply chaotic and not connected and sometimes poop really does happen for no reason at all... like the extinction of the Dinosaurs

But I chose now in my life to be brave... and accept, that anything can happen and no one is in charge in any real and meaningful way...

That we are so MASSIVE and bureaucratic, that far from a conspiracy... all the double redundant secrets simply mean... even the president doesn't always know what the heck is going on...

That no one is perfect, there is no savior we can only save ourselves and do the best we can...

and I might get hit by a bus tomorrow and my life meant nothing.

I think... we seek enemies, we are wired to find enemies... by nature and it's an obsolete trait

I could be wrong

But I doubt I am...

I think the REAL truth is just much harder to stomach... that we invent enemies where none exist, that we on some primitive level simply WANT to find conspiracies and will seek to prove them against all rational thought... because once...long ago and for most of our evolution, there were things in the dark that wanted to eat us and we are hard wired to find them...



posted on Jul, 7 2009 @ 11:26 PM
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But They aren't...

Have you ever played risk? How many of your opponents do you kill if you added those troops up to the Million?

Do we not ASK for people to do this Job...every four years? Do we not all in here believe we have enemies? Or Most?

Who joins these armies? why do we allow armies?

Is it any different than playing a game when our leaders never see the enemy, when they have been raised and encouraged by parents to do such important jobs... do they think of themselves as murderers?

Is the cop the fires a bullet at an intruder when you call 9-11 not doing the job... you asked him to do?

War itself is VERY SUBJECTIVE

But is a Senator that vote yes on a war... not simply doing the job and making the decisions they were asked to make even if sometimes you or I disagree?

When they go home do they not love their children? and LOL sometimes their wives?

Are they really heartless cruel murderers are cops any different after 5:00 than you and I mostly even if sometimes they pull a trigger?

I have cop friends... some of them watch the same shows I do, tuck their kids in and... Live their lives... enjoy my company and care about me even knowing I have urmmmm walked a fine legal line at times....

They aren't people too?

I have...avoided at all costs doing harm to others in my life... I enjoy a good fight, but no more... i would never take one of these jobs...

But I have voted

I have used 9-11

I have never staged a protest asking to disband the military

Have you?

If not then I ask only...

How are we any better? And why would you label then sub human and believe they are Out to do harm?



posted on Jul, 7 2009 @ 11:26 PM
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Originally posted by mopusvindictus
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Self fulfilling prophecy...

One of the largest factors in personal dysfunction let alone on a global scale

I believe i'm ugly...so why try and get a date, I believe the world will end so I will find the enemy predicted...

Yes...

exactly the kind of thing we do.... with Conspiracies...

We should be aware when an individual of that nature comes to power...

What I believe is, while our history books are filled with them...people love to write about tragedies, we focus on TV at night only on the Bad News...

Mostly and to the highest percentile these things are accidents ... mistakes like not acting on hitler before it was too late

Not a grand plot to ALLOW him to power by the Elite, simply a failure to identify the persona...

That most people in power are...quite Amazing Human beings be it you agree with every decision or not, they are not running a world of Hitlers... far from it, they do do everything Humanly possible to avoid these scenarios





It works like this in this world. "Those who are not against us, are for us"

The only thing people need to remember is it works both ways.

This is the most awesome thing told to me by one of my best friends. It was told to me at a time when I most needed it. It is this...

"When ever you are pointing the finger at someone, FOUR fingers are pointing back at you."

Again, Awesome thread.

Peace



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