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To not fear TPTB go get drunk with them.

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posted on Jul, 7 2009 @ 03:14 PM
I want to be 100% honest here, for a part of my life until very recently, I was a guy who liked to party my Kiester off... Seriously, I moved all over the places and used any money I made to run around and find the best places to have a good time...

In the course of that, I have met a ton of people from all walks of life, but my penchant for beautiful women always drove me even if it was to spend my last dollars into the higher end sorts of places...

This is inspired by a rant I had in another thread and I think, everyone should do it... save 10,000 bucks if it takes you all year and blow it... just blow it for I dunno, maybe 5 nights at whatever your local exclusive hang out is in the city nearest you.

I have always been on a quest for the unknown... what's kept hidden from me... so my desire to meet people also aside from debauchery had a big push from a desire to know...

And I have to report to those who.... believe in Bloodlines, Zionist conspiracies, Masonic plots, Reptilian influence, 3,000 year old secret societies and the like...

TPTB have no clue either

It really is a Chaotic mess mostly involving Men and Sex and Power... no one actually is who they say they are in public and Mostly TPTB fear the rest of us more than we fear them... Mostly because people get Jealous and Fear so much they periodically rise up to Kill who ever is in charge if a mistake is made...

Many Conspiracies in here revolve around G W Bush

This is the real G W BUSH (never met him but I am sure this one clip given who I have met is the closest to the real Bush you will ever see)

Many of you have seen this before... your PTB at their finest

Did Bush know about Aliens... Bush didn't know which socks he was wearing so long as they matched...

You can't really know the Truth until you have sat down for shots with a lead member of the Republican Party a Palestinian Restaurant Chain owner a Hasidim Jew and a Star baseball player and yourself... and your all buying dope and Hoes from the same Fat Pimp that night...

It's then and there that you will know, everyone is full of bull and there is no conspiracy... people just don't give a crump and they wish very seriously these men to get laid...

Things I know per fact


Skull and Bones is a bunch of rich Kids who have no association with the deeds of their grandparents aside from asking for bailout money when they overspent in College ( as did I )
This also explains current policy and where they get the idea from...


Most Masons are FAT... I have no idea Why this is except I assume when you have a fraternal organization of brothers that helps you find work... very often you get to eat well. The majority of people join these organizations also... to receive bailouts if they get into trouble and have business connections, whatever rituals are performed are throwbacks...


Bohemian Grove and other such organizations are what happens when you have allot of money and free time on your hands, Sex is a big part of it and getting naked, surely there is some truth to some strange abuse stories where people get carried away, but to the best of my knowledge Moloch has never shown up because someone fornicated in the shrubbery in an awful Dungeons and Dragons style robe... In fact, most people who attend such thing spent allot of time as adolescents playing games like D & D and had the time being book worms to develop such elaborate sexual fantasies. Bohemian Grove and other such things... = Nerdy sex fantasies.

How do I know? I have fornicated in the shrubbery, not there...elsewhere, but still. To these guys Beltane equals an excuse to watch your wife screw a stranger, nothing more.


The richest and most powerful men love dominatrix's... (just had to throw that in)


Hardly a politician out there gives a damn about race, ethnicity, or sexuality... they are lonely, have to put on a face in public and their policies REFLECT the Desires of the moronic masses and who they hope to get votes from... YOU determine these policies, enough of you believe in "drugs are bad" you get a war on drugs handed to you buy guys who do blow...

In real Life... see Bush above for example


One of Giuliani's top guys almost kicked my rear end to kingdom come for suggesting 9-11 was a set up... Rudy knew nothing, Bush sat there because he knew nothing... the true consensus knowing people I have known which includes top members of the administration is:

Osama Bin Laden pulled off the Best damned Bomb scare in history... him and a small band of merry morons, no Islamic Plot against the West, No Govt plot, just a real jerk... who managed to freak everyone out and everything.... the patriot act, no plot against American freedom, just a reaction to appease various groups, the Islamic Tide a reaction to our reaction... Everything since has been 100% Emotion and Assumption


Big Pharma...

There is no plot, swine flu isn't a bio plague... You might as well have Walmart handling the drug industry sometimes things go wrong sometimes things go right, no one knows what the heck is going on besides if some guy in a lab coat stamped an approval on something or not... it's not a plot, you just... seriously have to understand what your taking


The Bilderbergs...

The reason we are all environmentally crazy... the richest guys in the world get together year after year and you know what... the only thing they actually ever agree upon is to save species... Only thing even the biggest jerk can't say much about.... Save the Pandas lol

Beyond that I am assured it's the single most useless meeting ever conceived of



Every one wants it only a few have it. Lots of power for those that do... and, yes, what Oil sheiks from Saudi Arabia have in Common with Americans... Strippers and Cigarettes.... and they don't wish to blow up the strippers


Science and Modern Psychology

Is funded by people who wish to prove their point only.

The Truth in my personal search to deny Ignorance


There is no global order aside from a willingness to keep passing the buck... these people eat and poop and pee like anyone else and function from the same basic desires of reproduction as the rest of us...

People glorify themselves and SEEK to find order... We HOPE for conspiracies because... Without them we have to become aware that it is all utter chaos Be it the Church or Politics once and a while some small group of nuts does something stupid and we all react to it, in an attempt to rationalize our existence, deal with the fact that we will one day die, ascribe meaning to life...

For the rest of my life I think....

I would prefer to seek out true mysteries...


Because my Journey among men has made one thing abundantly clear...


Our leaders are as clueless as you and I

It's all Emotional reaction and fear, our leaders are Basically friends who get backed into corners over holding power and reelection...

WE Create the conspiracies by our own beliefs... Our leaders just want to feel like they have some meaning...

Kim Jong Il... he is mad because he is short....

Bush hated politics...

Obama takes gratification and derives self worth from helping others... but they aren't connected aside from lame fraternities, childish sex fantasies and a mutual desire to feel important

The Ayatollah... This guy feels like he let down his Dad

Ahmedinejad, Is an Iranian Red Neck

None of them want to destroy the world Belial isn't whispering in their ears... there is no bloodline aside from the fanciful tales spun by rich kids about their fathers fathers...

Your mostly dealing with dorks that know how to make money...

The biggest thing we all Rich and poor have to fear... is the Military's we create to help us feel safe... among them are Men who... spent their lives preparing for war... living off our fear...

all of us create those men, we give them money, we ASK for them... it's not even their fault...

But our leaders? Religious, Political or otherwise... TPTB so to speak...

They are no different, have no plots other than keeping power for whatever various personal needs it meets in them... They pray to G-ds and Demons that never answer... they don't wish to die anymore than you and I

There is simply no genuine plot to eliminate mankind or any portion of it...

If it happens, it will be because of our own fears of each other led us to create things... to feel safe when, there was never anything to fear in the first place...

Those things in the hands of INDIVIDUALS are dangerous, dangerous only when an INDIVIDUAL becomes mentally ill and has access....

But take my word

Don't spend you life looking for conspiracies that don't exist and don't trip on who ever claims to be in charge...

No One is... it's a big roller coaster... and that's REAL FEAR, because no one is controlling it, no one actually knows where the track ends or how...

There are real mysteries out there, beyond politics and religion and War...

There is no Mystery to Men who seek the approval of their Fathers or the Desire of Women or wish for Immortality through G-d... these are simple needs, most of us share to one degree or another.

Real Mysteries exist, there is a universe in front of us all, these PTB that we speak of know... little more than you or I of whats beneath the ocean or more than a Mile beneath our feet

[edit on 7-7-2009 by mopusvindictus]

posted on Jul, 7 2009 @ 03:40 PM
i say instead of fearing "TPTB" we befriend them or become them

posted on Jul, 7 2009 @ 03:50 PM
You are a genius! No kidding! I love the whole thing. You are probably about 95% correct.

I know some people are gonna flame you because your source is drunken debauchery among other drunks. So be it, you have that coming. Otherwise, well thought out and pertinent.

The 5 percent I didn't give you is for the obvious good ol' boy networks that occur between world leaders, corporate execs, and others. There are many small scale conspiracies, but no world mastermind!

As far as Sex, Greed, and Power. It all really equals SEX! That is the secret to life! Men only want money and power to get more or better sex! Look at Saddam's sons porn collection and crime against their people. Look at Kim Jong Il's oldest son's escapades in Japan. Look at Clinton, Kennedy, hell even Michael Jackson. Sex is the secret to all the strife.

One day the populace will get their mind around the fact that sex is natural, organic, healthy, and we will stop limiting ourselves to monogamous, missionary sex! We can have an open society and approach the subject as adults, everybody will get as much as they want!

When we reach that day, we can live in a worldwide, freelove, hippy-type commune where no one is hoarding anything. Not food, not weapons, not sex!

Got a little crazy there, but the OP's tone got me going! Great Thread!

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posted on Jul, 7 2009 @ 04:00 PM
reply to post by mopusvindictus

Those who you are talking about are the tools and stooges of those who have the real power. The real power holders don't drink (like we do), at least not in the sense of partying.

Too many coincidences = no coincidences.

Drunken debauchery can't pull that off.

Just my opinion.

edit to add: Why again should we not fear them? If we are in a ship piloted by drunks with no morals, should we not fear?!

[edit on 7-7-2009 by 1SawSomeThings]

posted on Jul, 7 2009 @ 04:05 PM
reply to post by mopusvindictus

Fantastic, S&F!

If only it was possible, but then again we can dream!

People seeking activities at 4 o'clock in the morning do so on an even playing field, an agenda!

The imagination we humans have...


Edit for spelling

[edit on 03/31/2009 by rgseymour]

posted on Jul, 7 2009 @ 04:12 PM
I don't reckon i could sit down and get wasted with the British parliment. I don't think I'd be able to contain my fury. And I'm only a little guy, but I reckon I could take out the entire Tory party and most of Labour. Man, I'd love it too. Just imagine sticking a bottle of champers over Gordons noggin. *dreams*

posted on Jul, 7 2009 @ 04:14 PM
Sooooo true!!!!

Sooooooooo true!!!

I am so sick of the paranoia and conspiracy crap...

YES change is needed....

YES we need more truth....

But PLEASE soooo much imagination, and not any based on facts... 99% speculations!

I think the only TRUTH out there, is that we will NEVER have the truth.

[edit on 7-7-2009 by mellisamouse]

posted on Jul, 7 2009 @ 04:20 PM
I believe you believe what you say. I don't believe anyone who says "trust me". That is my own fault to overcome. As far as your eye-witness account, it was a wonderful read.

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posted on Jul, 7 2009 @ 04:34 PM
One side of the river started flooding, and a snake and ox needed to get to the other side. The ox didn't know which side to cross, and the snake was too weak to get across. The snake told the ox if he'd carry him over then the snake would guide him. The ox asked How do I know you won't bite me. The snake said if I bite you we'll both die. The ox agreed and let the snake ride on his head. Midway across the river, the snake bit the ox. The ox yelled you fool, now we'll both die, why did you bite me. The snake said I'm a snake.

That's how tptb are. They're snakes. Yeah, of course, if you get them drunk, they'll be cheerful and pleasant. You get the same thing from people all over, but when morning comes up, and work needs to be done, whom do they serve? Are tptb out there serving the public's interest? Or are they out there making the rich richer, the powerful more powerful? Yeah, maybe GWB is so stupid he doens't know what socks he's wearing, but did he come out on tv and lie to the public. Being drunk is no excuse for lying and pretending everything's okay just like being drunk isn't an excuse to go drive and kill someone. I don't fear tptb, but I know recognize them for what they are.

posted on Jul, 7 2009 @ 04:37 PM

Originally posted by mopusvindictus
...for a part of my life until very recently, I was a guy who liked to party my Kiester off...

So what made you change? Some awakening, epiphany?


posted on Jul, 7 2009 @ 04:43 PM
I like yer style....

I'll be in vegas in late aug, we should party....

as a famous bartender I've def served some interesting people a lot of drinks and I have to agree with ya.....

booze is a truth serum....

posted on Jul, 7 2009 @ 04:50 PM
I believe you to an extent as I've partied with the best of them as well. And they are more scared and insecure than we are. That is one of the things that set me free - seeing that for my self.

However, while I think they are "tools" for whoever really holds the power, I also know that many of these people are involved in some very shady business that most people couldn't even fathom. Power and money are very addictive. Alcohol is a crutch many use to try to forget/try to not feel.

Everyone has secrets. The people who know may not always be the ones we would think. Many times they are the ones we wouldn't look at twice. Think about that for a bit if you will.

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posted on Jul, 7 2009 @ 04:52 PM
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No, you are wrong... there IS a conspiracy.

The conspiracy *IS* that power attracts the corruptible, and people seem to rather have "Charismatic" leaders making hard policy decisions, than men of understanding, wisdom, and general Knowledge of what the hell is going on.

You say that NO ONE knows what is going on, and that is a bold faced LIE.

The problem *IS* that the people who KNOW what is going on, have spent all of their time LEARNING about what is going on, and have neglected the SOCIAL aspect of leadership.

All the while, people rally behind those with Conviction (Who are Dead Wrong all the time), people of Charisma (Who are stupid as all H%!!), and People of Personal Magnetism (Who don't know how to run ANYTHING)

Our problem is that there *IS* a global conspiracy...

And that conspiracy is... as you said, PASSING the buck.

Our leaders are apparently LAZY... not for doing hard work..

But MENTALLY LAZY, for opening themselves up to enlightenment.

People attempt to use politics as an engine to gather wealth, and they never think of the VERY REAL consequences of their actions.

Take all of the Multinationals that Pushed NAFTA through to get cheap labor, and increase their profits.

They stopped thinking as soon as they saw they could get a quick buck.

They never followed their plan through in their mind to see that it would cost jobs in America, and that would collapse the economy of America, and THAT would hurt their bottom line, because the RICH nation of America would no longer have the money to buy their Overpriced plastic gizmos.

The problem we have with our leaders, is short sightedness, mental compartmentalization, and specialization.

That, and the people are generally too ignorant to understand Causality, and not wise enough to understand the differences between:

The ABILITY to lead People.


The Wisdom to understand WHERE to lead the people TO.


posted on Jul, 7 2009 @ 04:58 PM
And that is why people believe in conspiracy theories.

Because EVER SINGLE DECISION is basically about robbing people of freedom, and money, and power.

Well of COURSE it is.

That is the IDEAL economic situation.

Our leaders do not understand any of this crap.

They hire experts to give them Abridged cliffs notes on how economics works.

So, they make public decisions based on a false understanding of humanity, and civilization.

They keep thinking that they need to save the economy.

They DON'T.

They need to stay the H%!! out of the economy.

People believe in conspiracy theories because they do not realize that those who weild power are too stupid to understand Interconnectedness, and Chaos theory.

Every action has consequences, whether you like to admit it or not, and most leaders do not like thinking about things that are not Politically Correct.

The whole system is being governed like a self help meeting, where the host is just trying to get rich, and the group sharing sessions are always about someones CAT.

Humanity is PRIMITIVE.

Our leaders are MORE primitive.


If humanity does not begin to realize the inverted relationship between knowledge/understanding, and social experiance...

IT will Die.


posted on Jul, 7 2009 @ 05:11 PM

Originally posted by American_Soviets

That's how TPTB are. They're snakes. Yeah, of course, if you get them drunk, they'll be cheerful and pleasant. You get the same thing from people all over, but when morning comes up, and work needs to be done, whom do they serve?

I loved this post. Having worked in a bar, I met some interesting people. Including dyed in the wool killers and people in power. Drink with them and you will have some fun, but they are also the same people who will kill you without hesitation if they needed to. It is in your best interests to stay as far away from snakes as possible.

If not, don't complain when you get bit.

posted on Jul, 7 2009 @ 05:51 PM

Originally posted by getreadyalready

As far as Sex, Greed, and Power. It all really equals SEX! That is the secret to life! Men only want money and power to get more or better sex! Look at Saddam's sons porn collection and crime against their people. Look at Kim Jong Il's oldest son's escapades in Japan. Look at Clinton, Kennedy, hell even Michael Jackson. Sex is the secret to all the strife.

One day the populace will get their mind around the fact that sex is natural, organic, healthy, and we will stop limiting ourselves to monogamous, missionary sex! We can have an open society and approach the subject as adults, everybody will get as much as they want!

To this I can only say AMEN

The male need to have power create fictions even feed false conspiracies exists to impress women, some twisted version of having the biggest mane or the best Nest that has worked it's way into our society

posted on Jul, 7 2009 @ 05:54 PM
I loved this...but one question. It's gonna sound stupid but it's been a long day working for the man...what is 'TPTB'?

"The people that blow"?
"The People that Bull S**T"? oh wait that's 5 words
'The people that bite' it's like #1
'the people that bully'?

posted on Jul, 7 2009 @ 05:55 PM
Probably the best thread on ATS right now.

S&F !!!

posted on Jul, 7 2009 @ 06:04 PM

First of all, GWB II was not a 'PTB'.

He was a figure head. He didn't know squat about 911, or much of anything that went on while he was in office. .

As far as him knowing anything about UFOs, check out the following:

On November 4, 2002, President George W. Bush attended a Republican campaign rally at Northwest Regional Airport in Arkansas. Charles Huffer reports, "I had a chance to shake his hand. I reminded him that over two years ago he had promised me that he would finally tell us the truth about UFOs, if elected. I then asked President Bush if he intended to keep that UFO campaign promise. He looked me in the eyes and answered: 'Yes.' I forgot to ask when!"

Cheney was the brains behind the organization, Bush was the face.

BTW, isn't scary how much GWB II looks like Johnny Carson?

posted on Jul, 7 2009 @ 06:07 PM
? and I'm supposed to trust the guy who bases his post on the wisdom and life experiences he's received from.......other drunks and pot the bar....

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