Largest Sun Spot EVER found Today 7/7/09 - 60 to 80 times size of Earth!

reply to post by BlasteR

So this statement:

The last time we saw the heliosphere degrade at these kinds of levels, it coincided with a mass extinction on earth.

Has no evidence behind it. The state of the heliosphere at that time is nothing but speculation.

[edit on 7/9/2009 by Phage]

Originally posted by zorgon

Well I'll be hornswaggled... I think I see what is going on here


Remember Cmdraleon of the Galactic Federation of Light a few months back?

Vaguely, I was still lurking then, but kinda remember the general story, and the dialog among members. What do you think THAT has to do with this thread, or cropcircleconnector?

Originally posted by zorgon
Me smells a rat

I don't understand. What exactly are you implying or eluding to here?

reply to post by Paroxysm

Paroxysm,

She never even saw what you have to tell her because she most likely slammed you on "Ignore" and thus will never see what you,i and every body else ,that disagreed with her in the past, have to say......

Indeed, Questioning all!! Maybe start with questioning your own communication skills.

No matter, she'll never know what i wrote, useless.

Peace

Originally posted by Paroxysm
I don't understand. What exactly are you implying or eluding to here?

The fact that Cmndraleon shows direct connection with Colin Andrews of cropcircleconnection in his thread...

Hmmm you know what? Nevermind... considering no response from any mods on this stuff... perhaps its time... to go fishing till school is back

Originally posted by zorgon
...to go fishing till school is back

You've noticed that to, huh......

Guess i'll join in the fishing trip then. I'll bring the bait and the beers....

Peace

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reply to post by operation mindcrime


Are you sure your invited?

Not sure why so many people get so angry on here over disagreeing with something. If you disagree then state your case but no need to make personal attacks. Either way this an amazing event and its fun to learn from. This is the start of our next solar cycle and its one that scientists have been talking about.


"Anger is an acid that can do more harm to the vessel in which it is stored than to anything on which it is poured. "

~Mark Twain

Originally posted by whoshotJR
reply to post by operation mindcrime

 

Are you sure your invited?

Are you sure you have anything to say in this matter?? But no worry, i'll go fishing alone then......

Not sure why so many people get so angry on here over disagreeing with something.

Disagreeing is one thing but this entire thread is just one big lie!!! Their are numerous other very interesting threads about this topic done by people who put a little more effort into their reseach then certain members who read something in a thread and blindly copy-paste it to a new thread.....i guess that's why!!!

If you disagree then state your case but no need to make personal attacks. Either way this an amazing event and its fun to learn from.

I did state my case on page 4 i believe. And i feel it very just to point out to people that it is absolutly unnessecary to start 3 or 4 threads on the same topic. So i feel a "personal attack" is in it's place here.

This is the start of our next solar cycle and its one that scientists have been talking about.

Huhh?? Are you even aware of the title of this thread?? Because it is not about the start of the next solar cycle....

Largest Sun Spot EVER found Today 7/7/09 - 60 to 80 times size of Earth!

This is going way of topic. I'll stay out of okay???

Peace and good luck with this thread....

Ps: People (scientist) outside ATS must be lauging their asses off when they read this embarissing thread, just saying!!!

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Originally posted by whoshotJR
reply to post by operation mindcrime

 

"Anger is an acid that can do more harm to the vessel in which it is stored than to anything on which it is poured. "

~Mark Twain

So what's you point?????

When angry, count to four. When very angry, swear.”

Also ~Mark Twain....

Quotes don't make you look smarter unless you make up your own!!!!

Peace



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I am sorry to disappoint you, but this is NOT the largest sunspot.

If you use Spaceweather.com archive and compare the size of this sunspot with others from 2001, 2003 or 2005, this is much smaller. Just see it yourself.
Also, there were no major flares.

However, it is still a somewhat significant-size sunspot, after a long silence, that could herald a sign of a new cycle that begins, and may bring much activity up to 2012. Sort of calm before the storm. Or maybe not.

In that light, the crop circle message for 7th July is interesting. Who knows if this sunspot continues to grow, and could have major flares in August, September or October!

We still don't know the nature of the sun. Astrophysicists, Solar Physicists really are still learning how to observe.

We have only theory about the inner workings of this and all stars, and what we observe tell us our theories are wrong. We look at particle emissions and find too much of some and not enough of another type of subatomic particle to support the reactions at the core we think are happening. So we can only observe and make as educated a guess as we can about its nature.

We only have a handful of solar probes since the first in 1960. And we still are only scratching the surface understanding the data.

100 years of data is nothing in time for a solar system. The solar max cycles we have observed are also on a larger cycle we may just be beginning to see.

Imagine a spring around a larger spring, that is around a larger spring.

[atsimg]http://files.abovetopsecret.com/files/1ab6852184bd9c38.jpg[/atsimg]

The cycle I am talking about is the smaller one on the bigger one.

This is an illustration of how our star goes around the galaxy. It is on a cycle itself, but we see how the planets wrap around the path of the Sun? Well the sun does the same oscillation as it goes around the galaxy too.

Just to explain cycles, and that there are cycles on cycles on cycles.

The cycles we are talking about are cycles of activity that seem to repeat every 12 years, until now. It may just be a cycle one order of magnitude larger, say 500-1000 years, and it is not unusual but we have only 100 years of data and so it looks anomalous. It might set Earth changes in motion, but other than that it may have happened for thousands or millions of years this way.

The implications of such events are a mystery too. We have seen fluctuations in the suns energy in the geologic records, but I am not sure that cross discipline data has been realized yet by formal science, so we will have to wait for that correlative data to be added.

Coronal Mass Ejections likely have cycles we can't pattern yet also. So we can only watch and keep calibrating our understanding with observations.

Comparing sizes of sunspots and volumes of energetic emission in a solar body without knowledge is just tabloid science unless you can bring it together. Unfortunately science is still too segmented and compartmentalized to make the big discoveries we may need to survive changes.

This might seem odd, but I know a solar physicist who has rarely looked through a telescope. That's because observational astronomy is different than solar physics.

I have a feeling however that if such a solar physicists spent time looking at the sun with a telescope (using HA and other filters) they could advance their understanding. Some do, but not enough. Mix it up dudes!

We need to get our 'sci' together.

ZG

Originally posted by Phage
reply to post by BlasteR

 

So this statement:

The last time we saw the heliosphere degrade at these kinds of levels, it coincided with a mass extinction on earth.

Has no evidence behind it. The state of the heliosphere at that time is nothing but speculation.

[edit on 7/9/2009 by Phage]

It is only speculation, yes. But it does make sense.

There was a mass extinction about 250 million years ago. It is commonly called Permian-Triassic extinction or "the Great Dying". Here's a good story about it..

The Great Dying

The primary cause could have been anything from a nearby supernova to volcanoes to global warming. Noone knows how much global warming might have played a part in this extinction event, but in 2005 some scientists believed it to be one of the primary causes.

Boost to CO2 mass extinction idea

There is no direct scientific evidence to indicate the state of the heliosphere in this timeframe, therefore we have no way of knowing what the heliosphere was REALLY doing.

But before you write this off, consider this..
It takes the sun 250 million years (approximately) to orbit the center of the galaxy. It is quite possible that there is an area of the galaxy that the sun passes through about every 250 million years or so that degrades he heliosphere along with the magnetospheres of the planets.

Ian Brockwell talked about this in his book "Global Warming - The Final Solution". He is also the one that wrote the article I gave you in my last post.

This could be contributing to the global warming we are now experiencing. This would also explain the current degradation of the heliosphere in conjunction with the degradation of earth's magnetic field which is currently degrading at 7% per century, which is pretty scary. Who knows. It might even somehow explain the recent lull in solar activity.

It would explain how events similar to what we're experiencing now could have occurred around the time of the "Great Dying". It would just now be coming full circle again as the earth passes through this area of the galaxy once again. Thus, a degradation of the heliosphere would be precisely cyclical and occur about every quarter million years as the sun passes through this particular area of the galaxy while in orbit around the galactic center.

Apart from the afformentioned global warming hypothesis, a degradation of the heliosphere in conjunction with a degradation of earth's magnetic field would have eventually been catastrophic to all life on earth if it reached a point where enough cosmic radiation could penetrate the sun's protective "boundary" and the earth's protective electromagnetic shield.. Therefore, If our current situation doesn't change we will also be in trouble.

-ChriS

Originally posted by BlasteR
reply to
Boost to CO2 mass extinction idea

Are you sure you really want to link some global-warming propaganda piece from the BBC in a scientific debate with Phage?

Anybody with even the slightest bit of common sense these days, knows that the BBC is a far leap from anything based on hard, peer-reviewed, scientific facts.
Remember these are the folks who demonstrated how well they could read from a script, without verifying the facts:

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