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Muslim relegion cult and why it should be banned in the united state's.

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posted on Jul, 7 2009 @ 01:02 AM
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You're all paying attention to the word "cult " and playing with words its kinda dishonest from you fellow ATSers..

We're talking about the kids getting molested with the
of the Qran..

I been studying religions (the 3 mains religions) and the Qran and that book is filled with horror and trash filling their minds.

that book must be banned!

i been readin thoses surat about kilds molestation and yes it REALLy in the Qran and yes most of the muslims agree with it and are ok with it.

Stop being all so dishonests, its disgusting, you're playing with words and really just searching to prove you're smart about a subject you dont even know

its kinda disturbing from fellows ATs.
Ashaming

PS: its not "suras" as a previous poster said but "surat"




posted on Jul, 7 2009 @ 03:32 AM
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Originally posted by TheAmused
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www.wikiislam.com...
65:4 shows that the Quran allows a girl that hasn’t yet menstruated to be divorced, implying that such a girl could be married. Given that the Quran doesn’t forbid child-marriage and that Islam encourages following Muhammad’s example, child-marriage is supported by Islam.

[65.4] And (as for) those of your women who have despaired of menstruation, if you have a doubt, their prescribed time shall be three months, and of those too who have not had their courses; and (as for) the pregnant women, their prescribed time is that they lay down their burden; and whoever is careful of (his duty to) Allah He will make easy for him his affair.


sorry but the quran say's it .

it's ok to marry her but if she hasn't had a mistral cycle she can ask for a divorce..WTF

If you seriously believe that women who do not menstruate are necessarily children, you need to have a chat with your grandmother.

Your quote is referring to women who have been through menopause.



posted on Jul, 7 2009 @ 04:04 AM
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Originally posted by TheAmused
you are not seeing my point here.
There religious cult book...condone's it and say's it must be done.
petofile sexual molestation of children. ect.

Is the Bible a cult book too?
The Bible and the Koran are both religious manuals and both refer to past practices which are shocking by present standards.

Is a petofile one who molests pets?


the christian/jewish bible is strictly against it.
www.minuteswithmessiah.com...

Where in the Bible does it say child molestation is wrong? Answer The Bible nowhere speaks specifically of child molestation. Instead both the Law of Moses and the New Testament deal with sexuality in broader terms. The law of the Jews condemns various incestuous relationships, which would include child molestation by a parent. (Leviticus 18) It also deals with rape (Deuteronomy 22), homosexuality (Leviticus 18:22), adultery (Leviticus 18:20), and sexual relations outside marriage (Deuteronomy 22). All those topics could include improper sexual relations with a child or adult.

I notice you can't find anything in the Bible forbidding child molestation in general, so you are trying to twist the argument into one against incest. This is quite dishonest when none of the instances you are objecting to involve incest, and when you have presented no argument that Islam allows incest.

The Koran forbids any sexual activity outside marriage, and it forbids marriage of immediate family members. Therefore Islam forbids incest.

VS muslim's Qur'an stance
www.papillonsartpalace.com...

Volume 7, Book 62, Number 64: Sahih Bukhari Aisha: that the Prophet married her when she was six years old and he consummated his marriage when she was nine years old, and then she remained with him for nine years (i.e. till his death). The intervals between prayers are used for quick stands "I used to wash the traces of Janaba (semen) from the clothes of the Prophet and he used to go for prayers while traces of water were still on it." From Khomeini's book, "Tahrirolvasyleh", fourth volume, Darol Elm, Gom, Iran, 1990 : A man can have sexual pleasure from a child as young as a baby. However he should not penetrate, sodomising the child is OK. If the man penetrates and damages the child then he should be responsible for her subsistence all her life.

As has been pointed out, neither of the above quotes are from the Koran, and there are equivalent Jewish religious writings also allow for marriage to, and sex with, children.


Christian bishop's or what not that do child molestation..know it is wrong by there bible.

Perhaps you should try reading that Bible more carefully.
Question: Who did Lot, the "good" man of Sodom shove outside his door to be raped by the angry throng?
Answer: His two young virgin daughters.

Question: Who did Lot have babies by after his wife was turned to a pillar of salt?
Answer: Those same two daughters.

Question: What was Lot's punishment by God for having sex with his daughters once he was left alone with them?
Answer: He was not punished. In fact he got what was then the ultimate reward from God. He became a patriarch of nations, with each of his two incestuously conceived sons founding tribes of Judah.


and will even die for muhamed's name with car bombing's ect..they hold this faith so strongly.

How many car bombings were there in Iraq and Afghanistan before we invaded their countries under false pretences, stealing their oil and opium, and protecting the American dollar?

Neither the dying Osama nor the Taliban arranged 9/11. The CIA and Mossad did.

Saddam and Ahmadinejad had one thing in common. The both bucked the system which kept America rich at the expense of the rest of the world by selling oil for currencies other than the American dollar.



posted on Jul, 7 2009 @ 04:19 AM
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Dude. Religion is primitive and messed up. The bible gives SPECIFIC instructions on how to rape a woman, how to sell your daughter, what to do if your son steps out of line, what to do if someone is gay, what to do if someone works on the Sabbath.

Come on! Christians and Jews call this a moral book, but a porno movie has more standards than these books.

That said, I still would not ban any book! Banning is a long road, but it's a road that ends with you having no freedom.

Freedom of speech, religion, and expression exist for a good reason, and they should NEVER be taken away.


If society begins to ban what they think is wrong, then I'm afraid we would be quickly without an ATS to post on.



posted on Jul, 7 2009 @ 04:40 AM
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Great Topic The AmusedOne. Thnaks for posting this. Most of your arguments would stand the test of scrutiny by any party. Islam is,without a doubt,the most extreme religious cult in our world and it continues to threaten the safety and snity of people of the countries where it is thriving. Child Molestation and Murder for religion definately have a religious approval in this religion and the believers don't dare to question them for the fear of being branded as apostate etc. I know thousands of muslims through my travels in the middle east who do not agree to some of the practices in this religion but will not dare to speak openly about them. And this is exactly what makes this religion all the more dangerous.It exercises absolute control on it followers and does not leave any options for criticism. All debates in Islam are around finding more and more proofs of their religious supremacy and inferiority of all other religions.

I think most of the countries which have a growing population of muslims should consider having open dialogues with these lost souls and I'am sure they would be surprised to find the abundant amounts of venom in the minds of the followers. Islam does not have 'patriotism' or love for one's country as one of the good values for living being.Therefore,it is not 'prescribed' for the followers. Hence,most of the followers give precedence to the religion rather than the country. In some cases they would not hesitate to go against their own contries if a war is being waged on their country by those of their own faith. And this is precisely the reason why the followers of Islam have been branded as 'traitors' in some countries by the locals.Examples include Philipines and India.

All religions have their inherent flaws but Islam seems to have Megaflaws in that it brainwashes it's believers to what is obvious and leads them to believe what is absurd. Secularism is one of the biggest reasons why this kind of extremism is flurishing in the world today and the world will pay dearly for it's delay in acting against these religious agressors of our times.



posted on Jul, 7 2009 @ 04:54 AM
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All I know is there will ALWAYS be muslims in america, there will ALWAYS be christians and catholics and every other religion. Thats what makes america, america. We are a beautiful diverse country.

If they start saying one religion and only one religion can be used in america, i'm getting the hell outta here. Even though I'm not even religious, that would be a bad sign in my opionon.

Theres lots of muslim people where I live (Bay Area California) and everyone here is tolerant of them, and they are tolerant of everyone else. For example I've never ONCE see muslims outside protesting or preaching and trying to force islam on people, but I've seen catholics and christians protesting all kind of stuff here, and a lot the stuff they protest is DISPICABLE, like gay rights and stuff like that.

All the muslims I know are cool guys they do the same stuff any our age does (im 24, as are most my friends). Most of them arent even religion at all, their parents are, but their parents are usually nice people too.

Look, all I'm trying to say is most of the muslims in the states LOVE IT HERE and they want to be here. They came here for a better life, they don't bother anyone.

Like I've said before you guys are thinking of muslim extremists and that is mostly in the middle east. I'm willing to bet the amount of muslim extremists in the country is pretty low.

I know about 50 muslims some of I grew up with my life, they are ALL oustanding members of society. I know doctors, lawyers, computer programmers, entrepenuers, there are muslim people in all walks of life Most of them are married and have kids. They are VERY family oriented and care for the kids VERY much. Their lives are no different than any other american.

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posted on Jul, 7 2009 @ 06:28 AM
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Child molestation has to be proven on a case by case basis, in a court of law. It is indeed, a felony.

If you know of anybody who is molesting a child be it muslim, christian, or rock star, please contact your local law enforcement agency and report it, so the offenders can be brought to justice.

Remember when you make the call you must have a name and address.
No theories or generalizations will be investigated. If you believe it is a group of people, perpetrating crimes against a group of children, you can call your District Attorney's office, and they can cause an investigation.

Peace,
liw



posted on Jul, 7 2009 @ 07:10 AM
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Like I've said before you guys are thinking of muslim extremists and that is mostly in the middle east. I'm willing to bet the amount of muslim extremists in the country is pretty low.


I have a surprise for you. Most of the islamic extremism is exhibited in coutries where muslims are in minority. I have been to middle east a thousand times and believe me these guys believe in keeping their home clean. Iraq is definately an exception but the crimes related to religion are minimum in their home turf,so to speak. They play their dirty games outside.



posted on Jul, 7 2009 @ 07:19 AM
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People who want to ban religions for any reason are basically Nazis.

A disgrace to my flag and my heritage.

Go to China where your crap is accepted. Thanks.

We founded this nation on FREEDOM OF RELIGION. Remember? They were trying to get away from persecution over in Europe?

Who am I kidding. You wouldn't know American History if it slapped you in the face.



posted on Jul, 7 2009 @ 07:54 AM
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Originally posted by TheAmused
Muslim relegion cult and why it should be banned in the united state's.


States.

United States. Without an apostrophe.

If you don't know that, you're probably not qualified to comment on things like other people's religions or civil rights, or constitutional law. Just sayin'...



posted on Jul, 7 2009 @ 08:26 AM
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Read into the history of christianty, or in fact pretty much any religion. Children were often married off by their parents. children were used as a way to climb the social ladder. If you had a goo dlooking daughter then you could ask a high price. This has been done in catholicism, christianity, hinduism and pretty much every religion.

Basically as i understand the US constitution you have freedom of religion. If you ban one you better ban them all. If you start asking for a religion to be banned you are basically going against the constitution and are therefore a traitor.

But hey what do i know, i'm a dirty foreigner
Granted i can recite a great deal of your constitution but hey i know nothing



posted on Jul, 7 2009 @ 08:28 AM
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That said, I still would not ban any book! Banning is a long road, but it's a road that ends with you having no freedom.


I agree with you sincerely but what can stop me from writting about rape murders and kids rape and proclaim a new religion about it ?

What i gonna do, call for sacro saint free speech law and contaminate brain with my plagued religion view ?

Sometimes i truely think we should put limit about the so called free speech.
Free speech is based on sharing and confronting opinions, what about a religion based on ZERO tolerance for others?
It cant exist if it dont allow others to co-exists.

i mean, technicaly im all for it , but if someone start to build a new relgion based on all that crap ?

thoses 3 mains religions are not questionned anymore because they're OLDS
and followed by millions of brainwashed ppls.

And its not because something is followed by millions it automaticaly mean its RIGHT !

Remember what the nazis did, they was thinking it was right no ?



posted on Jul, 7 2009 @ 09:04 AM
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If you want to ban Islam, you had better ban them all. As I posted earlier, the Talmud has the same edicts. You are being hypocritical. All these religions contain things we consider vile. You cannot ban just one of them for reasons that they all share.



posted on Jul, 7 2009 @ 09:56 AM
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Originally posted by OTTOKARMA

Sometimes i truely think we should put limit about the so called free speech.



There already is one. It basically goes along the lines of

"If you don't hurt anyone or incite violence you can say whatever you like"

That would include religion. There are many moderate muslims and this whole thread is disgusting. Demonising a religion as a cult when the mainstream religion in the USA is no better.

Truly pathetic.



posted on Jul, 7 2009 @ 10:02 AM
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There is a BIG difference between radical Islam and Muslims. It is the extremists in all religions that defame and create fear toward their religious affiliations. The majority of problems and issues the world faces is not because of "THE Muslims, THE Jews, THE Christians." It is really a small percentage from each religion that have contributed to the reality we now face.

There are bad people in all walks of life, and this is definitely not exclusive to Islam. Let go of your inner desire to demonise all Muslims for the actions of a small percentage.



posted on Jul, 7 2009 @ 05:49 PM
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Originally posted by AryanWatch
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Like I've said before you guys are thinking of muslim extremists and that is mostly in the middle east. I'm willing to bet the amount of muslim extremists in the country is pretty low.


I have a surprise for you. Most of the islamic extremism is exhibited in coutries where muslims are in minority. I have been to middle east a thousand times and believe me these guys believe in keeping their home clean. Iraq is definately an exception but the crimes related to religion are minimum in their home turf,so to speak. They play their dirty games outside.


Ok. Theres a very small number of muslim extremists in america, and thats all that matters we don't live in the middle east where all the extremists are. I don't know a single muslim that even really cares about religion and i went to school with and know a lot of them.

When I start seeing suicide bombing and car bombing and all that at the rate they have them in the middle east, then i'll agree with you that muslims shouldn't be allowed in america.


[edit on 7-7-2009 by jeasahtheseer]

[edit on 8-7-2009 by jeasahtheseer]



posted on Jul, 12 2009 @ 02:28 AM
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So then Catholicism and Scientology are both also cults. Why only the Muslims? Most Muslims are very middle-of-the-road. They are not extremists. There are a few extremists, yes, but just as many as in any other belief. There are some pretty messed up things in Hebrew and Christian holy texts too. Most Jews and Christians do not kill their children for disobedience, for example. There will always be isolated incidences of extremism and crimes against humanity within any conceivable ideology. The only reason you perceive Muslims as the ultimate evil is because of the intense propaganda the Bush administration saturated the media with. Christians shoot doctors and beat homosexuals. Should we ban Christianity? Some Catholic priests have molested children. In the old days, the Catholic cult committed crimes against humanity that far exceed any modern atrocity. As for the World Trade Center, there is no proof that Muslims were involved in that at all. In fact, there is plenty of evidence to the contrary. But you believe the mainstream media, right? Do you know the world "gullible" isn't in the dictionary?



posted on Jul, 12 2009 @ 03:04 AM
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Are you saying to ban Islam?


1. Against the constitution. End of story.

2. Anything any religious person does against the law should be, and is persecuted by law enforcement of the United States of America no matter what religion they wish to follow.

Religion in America does not give you free reign to do and act as your "religious" guidelines dictate. You have to stay within the law. You cross that line. You get nailed.

Just ask the nutjob that just got arrested for polygamy in Utah, or wherever it was...who claimed he had free reign to marry whomever he wished at whatever age he wished because of his religious beliefs. He is now serving time for statutory rape...scumbag...

Banning Islam or any religion would be the pinnacle of ignorance...

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