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Originally posted by ninecrimes
*EDIT* - I should also say that I now smoke American Spirit all natural, organic tobacco.
Originally posted by earthman4
These tests killed John Wayne. They have contaminated huge aquifers. I wondered about this fallout when I would remove the roofs of buildings that were around during these tests. Just think of the legal liability.
Originally posted by DarkSecret
well this thread started in a promising way but then became a fight between smokers/non smokers. as usually :@@
i completely agree with smoking bans in public places and i support laws that would prevent parents to smoke around underage children. my opinion is that as an adult you're allowed to do whatever you want to your body but you shouldn't be allowed to make others (especially those who can't defend themselves) inhale your smoke!
Originally posted by TiredofControlFreaks
The fact is that scientists still have a very very poor understanding of what CAUSES cancer or even what cancer is.
The HPV virus is certainly under a new spotlight. In addition to its ability to cause cervical cancer, it is a large suspect in lung cancers, mouth, throat cancers. Any cancer that occurs in a body part that is lined with mucous membrane.
As for you thoughts on government regulation of smoking - that is certainly a subject for debate.
You mention smoking in the presence of children (presumably because its "bad" for their health) but you fail to show how the health of children has been improved by smoking bans. Certainly the 800 % increase in childhood asthma rates since the 1960s is cause to suspect that lack of exposure to smoke might contribute to a poorly developed, hypersensitive respiratory system. Please explain to me how today's children - who have hardly been exposed to cigarette smoke - are "healthier" than we were in the 60s.
So are you in favor of banning all sources of smoke in the presence of children (ie no cooking, no fireplaces, no wood burning stoves, no candles, and certainly no air fresheners, no living in buildings constructed of wood with glue) or are you, like A conscious, deciding that since you don't like tobacco smoking, its important to "protect the children" from this sole source of the very same contaminants found in the other sources I have mentioned.
And when you say "public places" - do you mean those places actually owned by the public - live government offices, hospitals etc - or do you mean privately owned spaces where the public may voluntarily choose to enter - like restaurants, bars and private workplaces?
Originally posted by Elliot
reply to post by ThatDGgirl
Personally, I don't believe that self obsessed psycopaths who rule the world would ever take such a risk with their own 'human' lives.
Hence....my conclusion is that Lizards do NOT get cancer! Thicker skin, and all that!
If there is a vet 'on board' ATS, I'd like to know if cancer is a disease of lizards and I want to know this even though it makes me sound like some stark raving bonkers idiot. (Maybe I am a stark raving bonkers idiot, but I still want to know).
Enquiring minds are waiting, Veterinarians!
Do lizards get cancer or if they do, is it a rare, rare disease of the species?
Originally posted by TiredofControlFreaks
As for the children - how about if we agree on this - I will use my natural right to self determination and my natural right to parent my own children. I will leave you free to do the same.
If you can PROVE that I am harming my children (and not just assume it), then society may step in but not before then.
If you can't PROVE harm - then how about if you just respectfully tuck your "concern" for my children where the sun don't shine.
Better yet - how about if you express your "concern" in a more positive way by contributing an equal amount of taxes that are now extorted from smokers and use the money to feed hungry children and provide for their needs.
Remember to buy a carton of smokes once in awhile - after all, smoking products are now FDA approved and supporting the healthcare for thousands of children.
United States nuclear tests were conducted on an intermittent basis from July 1946 to October 1958. During this period, nuclear tests were conducted in groups known as "operations" or "test series", each series was a distinct operation that was organized and carried out independently of other operations.
On 31 October 1958, just after it concluded the largest test series to date, the United States entered into a unilateral testing moratorium announced by President Eisenhower with the understanding that the former Soviet Union also would refrain from conducting tests. The Soviet Union honored this moratorium initially, but secretly prepared for a massive testing campaign which commenced in September 1961, and included the largest nuclear tests ever conducted.
On September 15, 1961, the United States resumed testing at the Nevada Test Site (NTS) on a year-round basis with Operation Nougat. From that time to the present, tests have principally been grouped for fiscal and reporting purposes into "operations" or "series" according to the fiscal year in which they took place. For example, fiscal year 1963 tests -- which began 1 July 1962 and extended through 30 June 1963 -- were in the Operation Storax series.
Important exceptions to this scheme were a number of test series conducted during 1962-63:
Operation Dominic (which also been called Dominic I), conducted between 25 April and 4 November of 1962 (and thus overlapping Nougat and Storax); and which included
the Department of Defense (DoD) Operation Fishbowl high-altitude tests in the Pacific.
Operation Sunbeam (also known as Dominic II), four weapons effects tests conducted by the DoD at the NTS between 7 July and 17 July 1962 (concurrent with Storax)
Operation Roller Coaster, four zero-yield tests conducted jointly by the US and UK at Nellis Air Force Range (NAFR) between 15 May and 9 June 1963 (concurrent with Storax).
Atmospheric testing concluded with the test Dominic/Fishbowl Tightrope on 4 November 1962. The signing of the Atmospheric Test Ban Treaty on 5 August 1963 in Moscow halted all further atmospheric testing by both superpowers.
The Fiscal Year based underground series was perturbed in 1976, when the federal government changed the fiscal year to begin on October 1 and end on September 30. Accordingly, the Fiscal Year 1976 series, Operation Anvil, did not end on June 30, but was extended through September 30, 1976 -- a period of 15 months.
Zion Nuclear Power Station was the third dual-reactor nuclear power plant in the Commonwealth Edison (ComEd) network and served Chicago and the northern quarter of Illinois. The plant was built in 1973, and the first unit started producing power in December, 1973. The second unit came online in September, 1974. This power generating station is located on 257 acres (1.04 km2) of Lake Michigan coastline, in the city of Zion, Lake County, Illinois. It is approximately 40 direct-line miles north of Chicago, Illinois and 42 miles (68 km) south of Milwaukee, Wisconsin.
The Zion Nuclear Power Station was retired on February 13, 1998. The plant had not been in operation since February, 1997, after a control-room operator accidentally shut down Reactor 1 and then tried to restart it without following procedures. Reactor 2 was already shut down for refueling at the time of the incident. ComEd concluded that the plant could not produce competitively priced power because it would have cost $435 million to order steam generators which would not pay for themselves before the plant's operating license expired in 2013. This analysis was predicated on no license extension which at the time was the norm, however since then multiple plants have replaced steam generators and extended the license by 20 years.
All nuclear fuel was removed permanently from the reactor vessel and placed in the plant's on-site spent fuel pool by March 9, 1998. Plans are to keep the facility in long-term safe storage (SAFSTOR) until unit 2's operating license expires on November 14, 2013. Decontamination and dismantlement are to begin after this date. The estimated date for closure is December 31, 2026