BNP suspected in terror plot

reply to post by pieman


It has nothing to do with xenphobia, it has alot more to do with people being sick and tired of the mainstream political parties. Alot are voting for BNP raher thanvote for Labour or Conservatives or the Liberals.

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reply to post by Laurauk


why do you say that? you can't possibly vote for the BNP without being aware that one of their main bulwarks is xenophobia. there are lots of minor parties, there's only one reason to pick the BNP over the others.

reply to post by pieman

don't you think that all this "war on terror" being aimed at islamic terrorism has contributed to a society less inclined to be disturbed by anti-muslim sentiments. this in turn might make all xenophobia a little more palatable.

I dont agree on that statement. Terrorists will plan to strike whenever they get a chance and the real anger should be at the terrorists and not at Muslims. Thus the anti-muslim sentiment has nothing to do with terrorism. I feel the anti-Muslim sentiments are very strong, atleast in UK and they are expressed quite openly, from my experience of living in an area of London that has a large Muslim population



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reply to post by pieman


Look at the increase of the Vote compaired to those of mainstream parties during the European election. So every single voter who voted those two BNP candicates to the European Parliament, are xenaphobists? May I add the Green part also had an increase in thier votes for the EU Elections, as a result of people being turned off by the main political parties.

Alot voted for the BNP as well as Minor Paritys, as a slap in the face to Labour and the other main stream parties. Because we are sick to the teeth off the corruption, distrust that we have in OUR Mps from those political parties.

And Btw I did not vote, for any political party. I abstained before someone accuses me of voting for the BNP.


[edit on 6-7-2009 by Laurauk]

Originally posted by woodwardjnr
As much as i hate the BNP and all they stand for, this sounds a little suspect, like a set up?

Yup. Exactly what I was thinking. Sounds like a set-up to get the BNP eliminated. From what I've been reading quite a few of the EU and UK parties who are comfy in their power, are now quite scared about the popularity of the BNP, and probably will do just about anything to eliminate them to continue with their rule of their sheep.

reply to post by sunny_2008ny


sorry, what is it you disagree with?

the anger should be aimed at terrorists, no doubt, but there are other terrorists besides muslim terrorists which have been ignored. the "war on terror" is clearly a war on islamic terrorism in particular.

for instance, the british security forces colluded with loyalist terrorists in northern ireland, so they knew who they were, yet never moved on them since the war or terror started.

i'm saying this contributes to open dislike of muslims in the UK, and honestly, the fact that muslims don't make much of an attempt to assimilate into british society doesn't help.

reply to post by sunny_2008ny


WOW.. this story.. it reeks of um...

"How convenient"

However, it also reeks of

"Not surprising the State would make such connections/finds" Interesting as well how much the UK and American government literally FEAR the right wing movements away from the World wide shift towards Socialism..

It's easiest to declare the opposition terrrist.

reply to post by pieman

sorry, what is it you disagree with?

I disagree with your statement that the society is less inclined to be distrubed by anti-muslim sentiments (and if I am correct, you attribute this to the war on terror)


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reply to post by Laurauk


yes, all the people that voted for the BNP are xenophobic or sympathetic to xenophobic's.

there were always alternatives, if it was just a slap in the face to the government or the main parties there were 4 or 5 other people you could have voted for. if you choose the BNP out of all of them then i say there was a reason to choose them. the only difference between them and the others is xenophobia.

Originally posted by sunny_2008ny

I disagree with your statement that the society is less inclined to be distrubed by anti-muslim sentiments

I feel the anti-Muslim sentiments are very strong, atleast in UK and they are expressed quite openly

so you believe society is disturbed by anti-muslim sentiments, as in bothered by them, don't like hearing them, yet they are quite strong and expressed quite openly? forgive me, i really don't have a clue how to put those two statements together logically.

reply to post by pieman

so you believe society is disturbed by anti-muslim sentiments, as in bothered by them, don't like hearing them, yet they are quite strong and expressed quite openly? forgive me, i really don't have a clue how to put those two statements together logically.

I meant that the society is disturbed by anti-muslim sentiments because of the general peace that is sometimes shattered by such sentiments being expressed in public by a few. I am not saying that the society at large expresses those sentiments, very few do, and most ignore it, but yes in public you will find very few people who would like to hear them ( and these very people will express it strongly in private)

What you are trying to say is that because of war on terror, people tolerate/justify anti-muslim sentiments (or are not bothered by them). In my opinion that is not true, but of course others may have had different experiences


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reply to post by sunny_2008ny


ah, i understand now, thanks for the patience.

i don't believe it is a huge swing, the majority are not accepting of these views but if you consider that there are posters in this thread that believe a slap to the face of the parties at the top is a justifiable excuse for voting for the BNP then you need to question why this is.

i'm just offering an explanation, i might be wrong.

Isnt it funny how "terrorists" always carry I.D cards on them
How coincidental that it just so happend to be found at the scene? Just like 9/11? Haha, I dont like nor supports BNP but i dont think all is as it seems, I'm sure time will tell us the truth.

(excuse spelling)

Originally posted by sunny_2008ny


BNP is the party that had a few people elected to the European Parliment recently. The finding of a BNP Id card on the scene is a national shame.

This would have been a major attack in Britan that was averted and the target could have been immigrants and others whom BNP sees as 'threat' to the British society

Far right parties are gaining popularity in Europe and this is a blot on their character and manifesto

rinf.com
(visit the link for the full news article)

what nonsense, and individual can do anything

HAROLD SHIPMAN WAS A DOCTOR AND HE MURDERED HUNDREDS, DOES THAT MEAN THAT ALL DOCTORS ARE MURDERERS

Originally posted by pieman
reply to post by sunny_2008ny

 

sorry, what is it you disagree with?

the anger should be aimed at terrorists, no doubt, but there are other terrorists besides muslim terrorists which have been ignored. the "war on terror" is clearly a war on islamic terrorism in particular.

for instance, the british security forces colluded with loyalist terrorists in northern ireland, so they knew who they were, yet never moved on them since the war or terror started.

i'm saying this contributes to open dislike of muslims in the UK, and honestly, the fact that muslims don't make much of an attempt to
assimilate into british society doesn't help.

they also colluded with republican terrorists and infiltrated their ranks (without even looking at the murder of Billy Wright)

reply to post by blueorder


doubtless, but they were far more likely to arrest republicans.

i picked loyalists to make the point that governments tend to ignore the terrorists they agree with.

it was just an example rather than being specific and all encompassing. there are dozens of examples i could use, this one seemed the least difficult to explain.

Originally posted by pieman
doubtless, but they were far more likely to arrest republicans.

what criteria are you making this assessment

i picked loyalists to make the point that governments tend to ignore the terrorists they agree with.

the british govt did not agree with loyalists, several british govts have contemplated and discussed withdrawal from Ulster

it was just an example rather than being specific and all encompassing. there are dozens of examples i could use, this one seemed the least difficult to explain.

fair enough

Originally posted by blueorder
what criteria are you making this assessment

general ignorance to be honest. it's mostly just an impression that there tended to be less arrests and more collusion with loyalists. it's impossible to say for sure. given the nature of the paramilitaries and the security forces, information is sketchy and unreliable.

the british govt did not agree with loyalists, several british govts have contemplated and discussed withdrawal from Ulster

discussion is one thing, general consensus, across all arms of government, that this would be the preferred course of action is quite another.

the details of could be argued back and forward, my point is that the PTB seem to be happy to collude with terrorists when it suits them. we could argue individual cases but the point, in the end, would still stand.

If it was related to the BNP it's only because they are the type of party that would attract people with no sense... their veiled views don't incite violence but certain members or followers could be foolish enough to think this is good for their cause.

As for why people vote for the BNP? Most poeple who vote for them know nothing about their polocies. Some want to 'get foreigners out', some want to vote for a 'different' party, some vote because the party is portrayed in such a way in certain media that it could be seen as morally right... in a kind of "I'm taking a positive step way." I'm certain there's many that vote because some of their mates do it so they will as well.

The BNP are not good.

Originally posted by and14263
If it was related to the BNP it's only because they are the type of party that would attract people with no sense... their veiled views don't incite violence but certain members or followers could be foolish enough to think this is good for their cause.

As for why people vote for the BNP? Most poeple who vote for them know nothing about their polocies. Some want to 'get foreigners out', some want to vote for a 'different' party, some vote because the party is portrayed in such a way in certain media that it could be seen as morally right... in a kind of "I'm taking a positive step way." I'm certain there's many that vote because some of their mates do it so they will as well.

The BNP are not good.

specifically then, oh enlightened one, specifically which policies do you disagree with and why?