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reply posted on 6-7-2009 @ 08:46 AM by KarlG

Originally posted by XXXN3O

Originally posted by rapinbatsisaltherage
reply to post by XXXN3O

You gave us your opinion of this thread and then posted a picture. You did not detail why the thread was "ignorant" or "hateful" and you did not address any of the information to show how it was misinformed, so why bother? Unless you plan on posting something with actual useful content that will contribute to a discussion?

I actually said "Lot of ignorance on this thread, a lot of unjustified hate and a lot of false information given by people who do not have a clue what they are talking about."

Ignorance, unjustified hate and false information.

That is an explanation in itself.

I dont need to blow a trumpet all day to get a point across.

WHY is there ignorance? WHY is there unjustified hate? WHY is there false information?

That is SO not an explanation. An explanation is when you EXPLAIN WHY.

False information is what's in that Holy Bible of yours.

reply posted on 6-7-2009 @ 08:50 AM by SKUNK2

Originally posted by XXXN3O
Lot of ignorance on this thread, a lot of unjustified hate and a lot of false information given by people who do not have a clue what they are talking about.

A picture speaks a thousand words.

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I think this picture speaks a thousand words about religion and its zealots.
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reply posted on 6-7-2009 @ 08:51 AM by KarlG

Originally posted by On the level
reply to post by KarlG

Why is it creepy for someone to have a little faith or belief in something, is it that what really scares you is that you have none and feel empty inside

It's okay if he has faith and belief. In fact I think we all should have a bit. But the issue with Christianity is that it IMPOSES its beliefs on others.

What that poster said was that people would have to contend for God's faith. Which is one of the many things I have heard - "atheists will go to hell" and "gays will burn slowly" and "the end of the world will kill all Pagans".

Which, let's face it, is absolutely "annihilatist" - only FAITHFUL Christians will get "saved" by God in the event of Judgment Day. Meaning all Muslims, Buddhists, Wiccans, Pagans, Satanists, Hindis, Scientologists, and non-faithful Christians (which let's face it, are quite a substantial amount too) will just get annihilated.

1) What are the SCIENTIFIC odds of that happening?
2) That's such an exclusive criteria it's hilarious.
3) CREEPY to the max, isn't it?

Now THAT belief is ignorance, and nonsense, and above all, it implies that EVERYONE (and not just that 'someone') will go to hell if they are not Christian.

Whereas in Wicca, for example, "an it harm none, do what ye will" means that basically other people don't have to subscribe to your beliefs. Other people won't go to hell. Other people won't have bad things happen to them just because they don't believe in a nonsensical ONE GREAT POWER RULING OVER ALL. It just means, if you dont hurt anyone, you are free to do as you wish, call upon magick, calm your mind, find your peace, and do good things.

No imposing required.

Just like in Buddhism.

No, I am most certainly NOT empty. On the contrary, I know exactly where I'm coming from.

Think carefully, and you'll see, too, where this so-called "ignorance" is coming from. Ironic, really.

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reply posted on 6-7-2009 @ 08:56 AM by pieman

reply to post by KarlG

why is it that you use a general attitude observed in some christian churches to sum up all christians? it's as stupid as saying that all buddists believe in the use of prayer flags and animal spirits or all pagans carry out animal sacrifice and sex magic.

reply posted on 6-7-2009 @ 09:04 AM by Clark Savage Jr.

These types of threads are a perfect indicator of exactly what is so wrong with hate mongering. Which, make no mistake, its exactly what this is.

"xtians"? How childish. As if the very name were going to infect or poison.

As a non-Christian, I really dont have a dog in this fight but please, the Anti- Christianity sentiment does get redundant.

At the end of the day, Christianity is simply not going away. Not in the UK, not in the US and not anywhere else. It, if nothing else, has shown a remarkable ability to survive through out the centuries and no amount of trendy internet hate-mongering is going to change that. Certainly, the religion will be here long, long after any internet reformists have faded away.

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reply posted on 6-7-2009 @ 09:04 AM by KarlG

reply to post by pieman

You don't believe in salvation?

You don't believe in Judgment Day?

You don't believe in God's power?

You don't believe only in conventional marriage?

You don't believe in Hell and Heaven?

You don't believe in creation?

Really?

Or are those beliefs exclusive only to one church?

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reply posted on 6-7-2009 @ 09:04 AM by On the level

reply to post by KarlG

I dont think the majority of Christians force their beliefs on anyone, I was brought up a Catholic however do not follow any religion now, I believe in a creator and living a good life and treating others with respect, that is my religion, I do not care if anyone is either gay or an athiest as long as you do not have a negative effect on myself and my loved ones everyone is free to do whatever makes them happy.
Do I fit into you model of a christian or do I seem to have been corrupted by my catholic education as the OP seems to be hammering on about. It seems to me that christianity is an easy target at the moment, and it frustrates me when I see other religions getting a lot of free passes when there followers are destroying the culture in the UK.

reply posted on 6-7-2009 @ 09:07 AM by moocowman

reply to post by On the level

You however seems to be in the crackpot variety and only seem interested in singling out Christianity, you seem to have some deep issues with this faith and you may need to seek some professional help.

It may appear on the case of it that I am singling out xtianity but I assure you I'm not. I am allocating time and effort relative to the time and effort made by these people in impinging upon the lives of my family and my self.

To say that I need professional help has a ring of truth, however the profession we may not agree upon.

There is currently a group of people working very hard to force their religion upon my children.

It jut so happens that where I live makes this particular religion (xtianity) stand out . There are very few muslims in the area, no doubt the fact that the schools force children to worship the xtian gods, has an influence upon the situation.

Nevertheless, I have not once had an incident of a jew or a buddist or muslim knock my door telling me that if I or my children don't believe what they do then we will be killed by their god.

Now it could be argued that Islam would kill my kids etc for not complying to their invisible god in the sky. But it would seem that professional help has already been afforded me in regards to this matter, without even taking on my opinion.

My government along with the US is busily slaughtering the Muslims that want to force their way of life upon me, so that lot are taken care of, thank you nanny government.

Please understand this I admit to having issues with this cult, but only where it tries to influence my life or that of my family.

Some of my best friend are xtian believe it or not,as you can imagine, we have long debates, but that's what they remain debates we respect each other but in no way respect each others beliefs.

My friends who happen to be xtian NEVER try to influence my children or promote a discussion with them. However I have n o objection to them telling my children what they believe if asked.

So there you go my friend, I have deep issues with religion xtianity is the one that happens to be on the offensive in my kids lives so it is xtianity that I am responding to.

Anyhow, I can't be that bad because they never fail to knock my door when their god needs money for a new roof on his church, ho ironic eh ?

My dog bites all visitors not just the postman, it's just that only the postman now visits metaphorically speaking.

reply posted on 6-7-2009 @ 09:08 AM by KarlG

Originally posted by On the level
reply to post by KarlG

I dont think the majority of Christians force their beliefs on anyone

yep. The majority do not.

The RELIGION itself, DOES.

If you read the Bible and DO NOT interpret like some "modern Christians" do, you'll notice how horribly judgmental those words are.

And for those who don't force their beliefs on others, the absolutely "faithful", or the ones who "will get salvaged" will call these people "untrue Christians". It's so self-destructing!

I have NOTHING against Christians - in fact, so many of my friends are. I just have something against CHRISTIANITY. The religion, not the people.

reply posted on 6-7-2009 @ 09:12 AM by KarlG

Nevertheless, I have not once had an incident of a jew or a buddist or muslim knock my door telling me that if I or my children don't believe what they do then we will be killed by their god.

Now it could be argued that Islam would kill my kids etc for not complying to their invisible god in the sky. But it would seem that professional help has already been afforded me in regards to this matter, without even taking on my opinion.

My government along with the US is busily slaughtering the Muslims that want to force their way of life upon me, so that lot are taken care of, thank you nanny government.

That's the EXACT problem I have with Christianity too! So it's not just you, and it's not just me.

When Muslims force their beliefs on others, they get hit by bombers and wars and troops aiming to quell the "extremists".

When Christians force their beliefs on others, we get Internet disputes. And there are people who even JUSTIFY those beliefs.

Another thing -

Not everyone can be a Muslim. You need to know the rites of prayer, the direction of Friday prayers, the customs, rituals and holidays. You need to stop eating, fast, and that takes a lot of discipline which not everyone has.

But it doesn't take much to be Christian. Just going to Church every Sunday, have a Holy Bible, and pray/think hard of God.

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reply posted on 6-7-2009 @ 09:23 AM by XXXN3O

Originally posted by KarlG

Originally posted by XXXN3O

Originally posted by rapinbatsisaltherage
reply to post by XXXN3O

You gave us your opinion of this thread and then posted a picture. You did not detail why the thread was "ignorant" or "hateful" and you did not address any of the information to show how it was misinformed, so why bother? Unless you plan on posting something with actual useful content that will contribute to a discussion?

I actually said "Lot of ignorance on this thread, a lot of unjustified hate and a lot of false information given by people who do not have a clue what they are talking about."

Ignorance, unjustified hate and false information.

That is an explanation in itself.

I dont need to blow a trumpet all day to get a point across.

WHY is there ignorance? WHY is there unjustified hate? WHY is there false information?

That is SO not an explanation. An explanation is when you EXPLAIN WHY.

False information is what's in that Holy Bible of yours.

There is ignorance because people do not research christianity before posting. Christianity is seen by far too many people as a single religious movement and some might know around 2 denominations. They might have had a bad experience with one and decide to tar the whole lot with the same brush.

For your information, there are well over 50 different denominations of christianity all with different beliefs from each other about the subject and different practices.
If you can be bothered heres a list
en.wikipedia.org...

Have a read up then you might be able to actually say which christianity you seem to hate.

This is also my reason for saying unjustified hate.

I say false information as many people are spreading lies for the reasons above in this topic daily. Some of chrisitianity I disagree with myself but as a christian I believe it is not for me to judge them.

So I answered you, now I must be forcing my beliefs or maybe im judging you, maybe I am lying huh.

Whatever excuse you give does not matter to me but I thought I would give my reasons since ignorance and the other reasons above denied you the chance of understanding my post.

Hope that clears it up.

I liked your little point, you just had to stick that in there in typical fashion

"False information is what's in that Holy Bible of yours."

Thanks for that but its not my bible, another example you just made of ignorance.

PS - Your caps lock is sticking a little sometimes

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reply posted on 6-7-2009 @ 09:28 AM by On the level

Not everyone can be a muslim

no only anyone who is born into a muslim family or marries a muslim has to become a muslim.

There is a lot more flexability in the way schools teach religion than you all seem to be letting on. When I was at hight school I attended a catholic and a public school and did not feel pressured into either catholic or protestant faiths. The reason i gave up on practising the faith I was raised with is because it bored the arse off of me

I dont get your point about christians fearmongering your children into their way of thinking , you seem to live in a very strange part of wales

reply posted on 6-7-2009 @ 09:33 AM by pieman

Originally posted by KarlG
Or are those beliefs exclusive only to one church?

i was going to go into detail but it's easier to just say i'm 100% sure your understanding of these things is exclusive to one church or set of churches.

reply posted on 6-7-2009 @ 09:59 AM by OneNationUnder

Lol, Christianity is dead and thank GOD for that?

Sounds like someone wants Christianity dead but still believes in God

Sounds like you must be confused. Do you need a Christian ear?

reply posted on 6-7-2009 @ 10:11 AM by KarlG

Originally posted by pieman

Originally posted by KarlG
Or are those beliefs exclusive only to one church?

i was going to go into detail but it's easier to just say i'm 100% sure your understanding of these things is exclusive to one church or set of churches.

So... exactly which part and which aspect of Christianity do YOU believe in? You're the first Christian I've come across that doesn't believe in Judgment Day, salvation and Creation.

P.S. My CAPS Lock is NOT broken. It's how I type. Deal with it.

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reply posted on 6-7-2009 @ 10:20 AM by Snisha

Originally posted by moocowman

I don't hate anyone my friend, and I'm certainly not susceptible to xtian paranoia in relation to Muslims.

If I may be so bold, why is it that you say Muslims and not Xuslims?

Perhaps I have incorrectly discerned(after reading many of your posts on ATS) that you are of the opinion that the concept of God is false.

If this assessment is correct, why the compulsion to heap a little more derision on Christians exclusively by affixing an "X" in place of their deity's name?

Do you harbor a bit of apprehension that intolerant Muslims will declare jihad on what they perceive as yet another infidel besmirching the good name of their prophet?

Or do you derive a secret joy from passive-aggressive modes of communication?

reply posted on 6-7-2009 @ 10:44 AM by pieman

Originally posted by KarlG
You're the first Christian I've come across that doesn't believe in Judgment Day, salvation and Creation.

so what? i've never come across a buddhist that believed in pleasing animal spirits but i know they exist. i know i only understand the vaguest hint of their beliefs.

judgement day, salvation and creation are not single standardised beliefs and the fact that you understand them to be means you have only "come across" one church.

judgement day could mean one of a thousand things and there's a hell of a lot of dispute about who will be judged and how and when and by what standards and to what end. there is dispute about salvation and what it means and to whom, there has been from the start, and creation is more faceted than the other two put together. i wouldn't even start explaining the volumes of christian thought expended on the matter of the creation story, it's nature as either a parable or a history and its implications to our understanding of god.

reply posted on 6-7-2009 @ 10:55 AM by moocowman

reply to post by Snisha

If I may be so bold, why is it that you say Muslims and not Xuslims?

It's all about how many letters it takes to write a word when you know it is going to be repeatd, also I often use IE7 which doesn't have spell check Xuslims and muslims have the same ammount of letters.

Perhaps I have incorrectly discerned(after reading many of your posts on ATS) that you are of the opinion that the concept of God is false.

That will depend entirely on which god your referring to, not wanting to be pedantic I will assume you mean a creator of the universe/universes, and all that there is.

My opinion of this concept/idea is somewhat to too complext to fit into this responding post. Suffice to say I am not as cloesd minded as some posters would believe.

Do you harbor a bit of apprehension that intolerant Muslims will declare jihad on what they perceive as yet another infidel besmirching the good name of their prophet?

I couldn't give a crap what intolerant Muslims want to think, they can believe what they want as long as they don't try to force it down my throat or that of my kids.
Unfortunately the xuslim (nah, same time) discussion is far from simple as apparently many of them somehow blame me for the atrocities christians committed against them in the past.
Xtianity would do well to learn how to apologise , I think the pope may have done this correct me if I'm wrong though.

Or do you derive a secret joy from passive-aggressive modes of communication?

I think joy is a strong word in this instance, I do find some of the replies quite entertaining, perhaps my lack of education kindles the flame of stimulation derived from debate of something so subjective.

Nevertheless if there were not attempt to influence my families lives by those with a religious agenda we wouldn't be having this discussion.
I may well be complaining about food additives instead though.

reply posted on 6-7-2009 @ 11:03 AM by Snisha

Originally posted by moocowman

My opinion of this concept/idea is somewhat to too complext to fit into this responding post. Suffice to say I am not as cloesd minded as some posters would believe.

Thank you for responding to my query, you have clarified your point in a fairly succinct fashion.

Good Day to you Sir and Peace Be Unto You!

reply posted on 6-7-2009 @ 11:06 AM by moocowman

reply to post by pieman

if your child is in a faith school then stop whinging, you can't expect a school run by christians for christians not to have a slightly chistian slant ffs. what did you expect?

My children are not in faith schools

if your child is in a non-faith school and you have such a big issue with religion, you should have exempted your child from day one.

I sent my children to secular schools, i only later became aware that it is law that religious beliefs are shoved down their throats, it just happens that the beliefs are "Broadly chrsistian"

and by the way, your child wouldn't have a dilemma if you weren't indoctrinating your child to your beliefs.

I don't have any beliefs but if I did I would expect the same rights as an xtian to indoctrinate my children with them.

In this case the school has taken it upon itself to do it for me.

don't be such a hypocrite. most christians would call you delusional, what makes your opinion superior?

I'm not the one with invisible friends that live in the sky, and even if I was. I'd want my children to associate with my invisible friends not yours .
Of course they can always pick their own invisible friends when they grow up.