By the way JediMaster, good point. Why doesn't he show anger towards US people getting mutilated?

Also, is that Jodo Kast in your photo or Boba Fett. I only ask casue I'm a huge Boba fan but the colors on your photo look orange. OK, sorry. Way off topic but I had to ask. What better time than here, what better time than now?

War isn't easy and both sides always make many mistakes before an outcome is achieved.

You have to ask yourself if the end will justify the means, and vice versa.

I think that a lot of evil things are left to be done by both sides. This is war and it's ugly as hell. I just think that Iraq will be a better place after all is said and done. How could it get any worse than it has been in the recent past?

Is any of this some kind of news flash for anyone? That war isn't a good thing and many mistakes are made by both sides?

[Edited on 11-5-2004 by Mandalorianwarrior]

I think some people just don't like to think of the world as a sick and sadistic place.

But it is. People are discusting and selfish. Such is the nature of man.

I call people in America (some) bubble boys. They live in a "Personal Security Bubble" of thought disigned by them and their parents. They still think of America as a great country with a glorious and pure history. They think good outweighs evil.

Get inside that bubble and they get angry and defensive.

Guess how many backed it up when I showed it to be a solid article.

NONE.

Originally posted by KrazyJethro
I think some people just don't like to think of the world as a sick and sadistic place.

But it is. People are discusting and selfish. Such is the nature of man.

EXACTLY.

Everyone thinks we live in this perfect little world and that no bad ever takes place. It's far from such and a lot of people in my country, the US, are led to believe everything is so beautiful and that there's nothing sick in todays world.

Then we have to deal with some sick people in Iraq when fighting a war. Then we find out we have some pretty sick people also. Why is everyone so shocked??? I'm not justifying these sick actions but shouldn't everyone know that our forces are gonna make some pretty sick and twisted mistakes during any conflict. The same can be said for any military. It is human nature and then put that very same nature in a war and you better look out.

This is why Colonel shouldn't continue to single out the US military. What military doesn't do this? Heck, many civilians do these sorts of things without being involved in an actual war.

I knew that some of these things would happen but I still think things will turn out for the better when all is said and done. I could be wrong but hopefully something will be gained after all of this mess.

I think that Crazy Jethro has a much better understanding of the situation here. A human, no matter what country they are from, can make some horrific choices in their lives. We all do to some extent,

Originally posted by COOL HAND
Do you expect us to believe this load of crap?

A 70 year old Iraqi woman is rode like a donkey last year, and yet makes a full recovery?

I don't think that any 70 year old could have a adult on their back and not suffer some kind of break or other injury that could be checked out. No one mentions in the article whether or not they performed a check for such evidence. My guess is they did not since that would prove that it never happened.

BTW Colonel, how come you never bring up how they mistreated POWs long before we were ever accused of the same crime?

Cool hand i 70 year old is not really all that old... its only 5 years past retirement, and i bet one could carry an adult on their back... and as to them mistreating POW's before the US was 'accused'... all that points out is the insurgents dont try to hide the fact and the US is devious in the sense that they promise to treat people well and tgey dont... and just because you havent been accused before recently doesnt mean it hasnt been happening... in my opinion i have more respect for saddam coz he didnt try to hide his human right violations unlike the USA... i hope you guys get kicked out of iraq with your tail between your legs

Originally posted by COOL HAND

BTW Colonel, how come you never bring up how they mistreated POWs long before we were ever accused of the same crime?

Oh, you mean like Jessica Lynch who got all that medical care and was rescued from an unarmed hospital? Or how about the rest of them who weren't abused?

One thing is for sure we definitly need to "read between the LInES" when it comes to the media. They are not to be trusted with a single word that comes out of their industrial typewriters. 90% of all the media is owned by globalists with their OWN agenda.

...fin

My problem with this is the lack of proof. No pictures, witnesses, etc. Did they keep harnesses just lying around the prison? Of course they did, everyone knows we took Iraq thanks to our brave mounted division. The Palaminos blend in well to the background...

At the very least I'd like to see this woman, or a name. Otherwise I'll give it the same credence as "Jimmy, the 8 year old heroin addict"

information clearing house reliable? It is one man, and I am not even sure how he gets all those news, I would guess he watches other websites and dumps everything on his site.

There is one thing, yes, its true that there are jerks in the world that would kill, harass, and torture their own grandmother just to have fun, but what the heck does that have to do with the government?

Those jerks and asswipes think they can do whatever they want and get away with almost anything since they are not supervised 24/7 over there.

My guess is that althou stress does play into this, some soldiers see a chance to do almost anything they want without having to face the law, as they would if they were in the U.S.

What does that remind me of?......oh yeah, some people in these same forums screaming for anarchy....