well that all doesnt carry over perfectly but he does have some points.


im not too up to date on the australian government policy, but he said the ntion was founded on christian principles...from my understanding, wasnt it founded on the principle that if england ships all its criminals there, they wont be a danger to england?

I'm not really sure, but i do believe you could be right about the prisoners sent there but that doesn't mean they weren't christian prisoners lol..

John Howard lost touch with the working class here in Australia and got voted out of power last election. He basically thought he could steal the wealth of individuals ( The joke was he called it Work Choices ) by allowing laws that heavily benefited Corporations and Companies so that they could do as they pleased with our conditions.

Wrong John, you were very wrong and the powers that be don't realize how close this country was to having a violent revolution to oust the Corporatocracy. With this climate scam now being voted on in our Parliament a similar thing will happen if Rudd ( current PM ) allows us to be taxed into oblivion....he will get voted out of office.

John Howard was also a USA Lickar$e, he bowed and kowtowed to anything the US president said and in the end it was really pathetic. It was so embarrassing to see an Australian grovel to Bush like a weak gutted spineless fool

So in closing he wouldn't make a Good President and I think personally he was just another Instrument of British Royalty and one of its minions.

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I really like Greece. I had the great fortune to be stationed there for a year when I was in the army. I learned the language the best I could, I adopted their customs, I tried very hard to become a "Greek" while I was there. I chose not to be an ugly American and insult people nor did I try to impose my ideas upon the citizens of that country. I had a great time. Yes, I found some things strange to me, some things I just couldn't understand why they did those things, but I accepted their culture and tried my best to communicate with the Greeks in their own language. If I didn't have children and grandchildren here in the U.S., I would probably move to Greece. And I would not try to impose my will upon their culture. Why should I? Why would I? It's Greece, not the U.S of A. And if I chose to move there, I would embrace the culture of that country.

I agree with John Howard in regards to Australia.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Hundreds of years ago the English sent their criminals to Australia and they did not adapt to that countrys culture. And the English and the French and the Spanish invaded North America and South America and did not adapt to the current culture. No excuses from me for this. Oh, yeah, Georgia was originally a penal colony, too. That was just an aside. Do we say, well, these other guys did this, so it's okay for others to do the same? Or do we say, here, let's draw the line and stop this madness?

I support what Howard said fully but there is one thing the Aussies have that we don't: relative proximity to Indonesia, Malaysia and other countries which are firmly linked to anti-Western activities. Austrialian tourists have been subjected to terrorist bombings, arrests and showtrials, to name a few problems. They've also had a rising problem with anti-foreigner violence in recent years. Still, it is a great country and that attitude of "get in gear or get out" is something a lot of countries should examine, cough cough.

well you all can have him.

he was a racist
he was a cunning and coniving fox
he made me feel ashamed to be an Australian and in turn,
he woke me up to the evils of nationalism
he had' little man syndrome' and put it on the whole country

i still have the bad taste in my mouth from his 'leadership' and its seems to have stuck with our new PM besides his early symbolic posturing.


Take him, please...if you don't want to progress as human beings



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well if you wanted a president like John Howard here is some of the other things you would have to take with the package.

All of your guns would be confiscated. like he did to ours.

All of the elections will be called at the last minute, so that john Howard can advertise how great he thinks he is , using taxpayers money.

Your country will slowly be turned into a bigger Brittan, in terms of the draconian laws being put forward and passed.

there are so many others its not funny.

Seems I need to learn more about this guy, but from what you guys/gals have said maybe I should have used a different title and most likely don't want to know more about him.. Just liked what i read from what I posted. Thanks for the replies!

Originally posted by 2theC

Take him, please...if you don't want to progress as human beings

No we don't need to progress as human beings. We need to live in tolerance of others whacko ideas. Look at the weirdos down the street... How could they live like that??? Eh? No problem... Consider what they might be thinking about YOU... You weirdo! :LOL:

Actually, look at California collapse. They had the right idea, it was very poorly executed. I watched a flood of immigrants in the 80's and 90's and soon we had all of our (utility bills, etc.) bills and statements written in 13 languages.

All state mandated. Talk about a waste of paper. Learn English or leave.

Don't press 2 for Spanish. Don't pass GO! and Don't collect $200 in welfare subsidies.

Tolerate and learn about the cultures of others within our country. Don't allow Gov't to mandate communicating in ALL languages... That divides and causes chaos.

Oh wait, Maybe that's the point. Ever try to please everyone, all of the time? California? Collapsed yet? :LOL:

I like all of those Howard quotes but hated Howard more than any other Aussie PM in history. Because...
1. He got Australia involved in the wars in both Afghanistan and Iraq, tried to Americanize the country as a serious terrorist target. He thereby exploited the fear of terrorism to serve covert strategies every bit as much as Blair & Bush (in fact given the absence of any Islamic attacks on our soil; some would say more so).
2. He refused to sign the Kyoto Protocol. Australia has since signed and in spite of a global recession the economy continues to be robust.
3. As mazzroth said he was an enemy of the working class, supporting worse conditions-employer rights.
He also allowed foreign owned mineral companies to take ever more of Australia’s resources with ever less tax (proportionately) (not as a total).
People were smart enough to see that if anyone should have their tax’s cut it should be working Australians, and not foreign owned bodies going through a boom phase owing to China’s ever increasing mineral demand.

Howard didn’t just loose the race to become PM, he lost his constituency as well. His sucking up to evil, away from good old fashioned conservative values is why (in my opinion) his defeat was one of the most, truly well, deserved political events of at our decade.

But just one thing...
Originally posted by 2theC

Australia use to have an official White Australia policy and he would have, if he could have reintroduced that.( that's conjecture however...)

Do you seriously think Australia would be anything other than another 3rd world country just like all the other 3rd world countries that are geographically near by, if it had not been for White Auistralia Policy?
I don't agree with racism on the grounds it's always unfair, as there are always intelligent people from every race. But I don't agree Western-British culture is as equrally as backward as any other world culture either!